ATC Staff Shortage set to bite
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Calling Mr Pig
Mr Pig,
Is it true what Tennis claims re controller's wages in NZ. Seems a little too high for people just starting out. Use your art of gentle persuasion to find out!!
Is it true what Tennis claims re controller's wages in NZ. Seems a little too high for people just starting out. Use your art of gentle persuasion to find out!!
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Are the Kiwis happy though?
Celeritas,
Having been there 2 months ago on an Emirates jump seat famil that doesn't exist I can tell you first hand the highest paid controller gets paid less then Top FPC AsA including all allowances.
Upside - the OCS folks are the happiest people I have ever met in ATC. Close to the mood as an instructor in Tassie before they short staffed us.
Downside - COOOOLD. That's why a whole heap would come here (Brisvegas) tomorrow if there was a proper pay for experience program. A lovely lady there offered to house sit my waterfront pad on the Gold Coast so she didn't have to go back to Christitscoldchurch as OCS in Auckland is overstaffed.
Too good too be true,
Skase Jnr
Having been there 2 months ago on an Emirates jump seat famil that doesn't exist I can tell you first hand the highest paid controller gets paid less then Top FPC AsA including all allowances.
Upside - the OCS folks are the happiest people I have ever met in ATC. Close to the mood as an instructor in Tassie before they short staffed us.
Downside - COOOOLD. That's why a whole heap would come here (Brisvegas) tomorrow if there was a proper pay for experience program. A lovely lady there offered to house sit my waterfront pad on the Gold Coast so she didn't have to go back to Christitscoldchurch as OCS in Auckland is overstaffed.
Too good too be true,
Skase Jnr
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Thanks Skase;
I actually suspected that was the case - I was trying to get Mr Pig to confirm it though as he has lots of contacts in NZ. I have met a couple of controller's from New Zealand and there seems to be quite a gap in what Tennis was claiming and hearing it straight from the source. Interesting though that NZ has an experienced controller program and AsA doesn't. I guess that if AsA wants to be considered a leader in the world of ATS this might be something that they want to look at.
I actually suspected that was the case - I was trying to get Mr Pig to confirm it though as he has lots of contacts in NZ. I have met a couple of controller's from New Zealand and there seems to be quite a gap in what Tennis was claiming and hearing it straight from the source. Interesting though that NZ has an experienced controller program and AsA doesn't. I guess that if AsA wants to be considered a leader in the world of ATS this might be something that they want to look at.
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So what does top FPC earn including allowances? Guys and Gals in NZ are earning in the $120k plus area. How many off duty call -ins are your guys doing? The last round of negotiations for a new contract were a debacle and look how much money you lost. You don't even get back pay after a contract is signed.
Also the rates I mentioned previously were for experienced controllers that are/were employed on radar sectors and yes my figures are very, very accurate. I just got a hold of the latest contract which expires in 2007.
Notwithstanding, the south island sucks and so too does the southern end of the north island.
My original point was that there seems to be much less discontent between staff and management there than there is here. That's all.
Also the rates I mentioned previously were for experienced controllers that are/were employed on radar sectors and yes my figures are very, very accurate. I just got a hold of the latest contract which expires in 2007.
Notwithstanding, the south island sucks and so too does the southern end of the north island.
My original point was that there seems to be much less discontent between staff and management there than there is here. That's all.
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celeritas et al:
Am delving into the pay & conditions situation at Airways NZ. Very sceptical about the figures quoted in this forum. $120K + ? That would be remarkable if true, as it appears to represent a significant percentage increase over the last 2-3 years to the total income of a well-paid terminal controller (It used to be the case that terminal controllers were paid a significantly higher base salary than those in en-route or towers).
Total income would include penal rates, o/t and OJI pay. If the figure quoted does not include these extras, then the pay increase in the latest contract has been a huge one.
Will see what can be unearthed.
Pig
Total income would include penal rates, o/t and OJI pay. If the figure quoted does not include these extras, then the pay increase in the latest contract has been a huge one.
Will see what can be unearthed.
Pig
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plasma...no way!
Hey Binos...
Don't want one of them plasma tv thingys, I just bought a 54" projection LCD, TV fabulous thing it is, it is, it is.
now I just have to get permission from her indoors to watch it!
oh yeah..on thread now, in this part of the sandpit, we are more than 30 understaff.
Don't want one of them plasma tv thingys, I just bought a 54" projection LCD, TV fabulous thing it is, it is, it is.
now I just have to get permission from her indoors to watch it!
oh yeah..on thread now, in this part of the sandpit, we are more than 30 understaff.
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Hey quokka,
No recruiting (well actually they are, but quietly) just a bland statement of fact.
the number I suggested is actually short of the number required.
The TV is a great new toy...works well with the surround sound infra red DVD system that it came with too.
No recruiting (well actually they are, but quietly) just a bland statement of fact.
the number I suggested is actually short of the number required.
The TV is a great new toy...works well with the surround sound infra red DVD system that it came with too.
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Plasma...ptooey!
hey TT,
Everyone knows that plasm burns out in a mere 16000 hours! The LCD projection bulb goes tits up after 10000 hours, but only cost about 200 euros to get a new one, then voila! Everything is fine and beaut again.
Your fashion accessory plasma just gets chucked out
Had a great time up north, who knows what santa might bring??
Everyone knows that plasm burns out in a mere 16000 hours! The LCD projection bulb goes tits up after 10000 hours, but only cost about 200 euros to get a new one, then voila! Everything is fine and beaut again.
Your fashion accessory plasma just gets chucked out
Had a great time up north, who knows what santa might bring??
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Lets get ready to ruuummble in the junnngle.
The offer on the table is an insult - especially after the management awarded themselves breathtaking bonuses - and increased their own numbers.
ATC numbers reduced - traffic increased and pay reduced.
Now they are insisting on more hours for less pay with less staff doing more overtime at a reduced overtime rate.
Well - I guess we are about to see if John Howard was right when he said it was an employees market.
Lets see if you can find hundreds of ATC's (or enough stooges) to keep the place running next week.
I am more interested in affording my kids education than your bonus for doing SFA.
The offer on the table is an insult - especially after the management awarded themselves breathtaking bonuses - and increased their own numbers.
ATC numbers reduced - traffic increased and pay reduced.
Now they are insisting on more hours for less pay with less staff doing more overtime at a reduced overtime rate.
Well - I guess we are about to see if John Howard was right when he said it was an employees market.
Lets see if you can find hundreds of ATC's (or enough stooges) to keep the place running next week.
I am more interested in affording my kids education than your bonus for doing SFA.
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Lets see if you can find hundreds of ATC's (or enough stooges) to keep the place running next week.
anyone else thinking it might not be the best xmas to be flying - it looks like this will be a long drawn out process
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Looks like everyone has been getting some practice for it lately anyway:
TIBA Watch (Could not see Pamela Anderson or David Hasselhoff)
Apparently the no ATC procedures that are laid down when the controllers walk out is to be run by management.
Some of them apparently even have previous ATC experience.
So you will be just fine.
Ahem.
(Forgot to mention - those TIBA's above are a result of the 'management' of staff numbers.)
(What that? Uh, yeah - same management type guys. Why do you ask?)
(Really - it will be perfectly safe. That is definitely what you will be told)
TIBA Watch (Could not see Pamela Anderson or David Hasselhoff)
Apparently the no ATC procedures that are laid down when the controllers walk out is to be run by management.
Some of them apparently even have previous ATC experience.
So you will be just fine.
Ahem.
(Forgot to mention - those TIBA's above are a result of the 'management' of staff numbers.)
(What that? Uh, yeah - same management type guys. Why do you ask?)
(Really - it will be perfectly safe. That is definitely what you will be told)
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Would someone please enlighten us Mexicans as to what went on at the recent staff-management love-ins oop north?
Everything seems now to be sweetness and light, or at least that's what we hear.
Everything seems now to be sweetness and light, or at least that's what we hear.
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Philthy,
I think someone is trying to mislead you.
There is 'not a lot of love' in the house.
Majority see no point in having a vote - the offer should be rejected as the con it is.
That is what I am hearing.
The 'love-ins' just showed the true colours.
I think someone is trying to mislead you.
There is 'not a lot of love' in the house.
Majority see no point in having a vote - the offer should be rejected as the con it is.
That is what I am hearing.
The 'love-ins' just showed the true colours.
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Don't know what you've been hearing, Phil, but the love-in was hardly that. Poor old GR didn't know what hit him, and AF was simply ignored.... .yes Jay Peterman you fill us with trust
Things are tense in Brisvegas, there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the ASA offer and a solid minority are spoiling for a fight. Don't know about the comfortable majority.
What's going on down there? I understood that you guys were even more shortstaffed than us, but I see no TIBAs or the like. Is it the Hoody factor? No way anyone in BN will go the extra mile for the SAM.
BM
Things are tense in Brisvegas, there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the ASA offer and a solid minority are spoiling for a fight. Don't know about the comfortable majority.
What's going on down there? I understood that you guys were even more shortstaffed than us, but I see no TIBAs or the like. Is it the Hoody factor? No way anyone in BN will go the extra mile for the SAM.
BM