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QANTAS SPY.....
Obviously QF spy, you have never left the shelter of your Qantas cocoon, the Outside world is a LOT different! No one in the outside world treats their employees as bad as QF! and in the outside world, the same work you do Inside QF will get you TWICE the money....
On the other side of the fence you would have to work alot harder for the same money.
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Mr Qantas,glad to see you back.We've all missed you!!!
Tell me, are Base Maintenance supervisors still part of the ALAEA and as such will they also be taking part in the OT ban???
Tell me, are Base Maintenance supervisors still part of the ALAEA and as such will they also be taking part in the OT ban???
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Ultralights, what you say holds no relevance for this forum. If what you are saying is true then WHY do you work for QF. I know of no person who would do their job knowing they can get the twice the pay elsewhere.
Unhappy worker, what’s there to be unhappy about? You all receive staff travel, a bonus system second to none, a SAFE working environment and many other fringe benefits (cars, laptops, etc etc). Just try and think for just one second how good you all really have it. How many of your mates can say they earn as much as you and do as little as you do for it. When was the last time you went home form work truly exhausted???? Maybe after a night shift but is it really exhausting to sit in the smoko room for hours playing the computer, watching TV, chatting or sleeping??? As soon as you finish work and walk out the gate you need not think of work again until you walk back in. Any other tradesman out there would have to work 16-hour days 7 days a week to get the same or more money then you guys. Are these the people you are talking about ultralights?????
You all seem not to understand. We are trying to improve the way we do business so that we can keep jobs here in Australia. Eg. Lean sigma, jetsmart. It seems all you want to do is whinge and complain about the changes. You are your own worst enemy.
Take a trip out of pity city and see how lucky you all are.
And what’s going on in MEL? Are you all running scared and trying to justify your obsolete jobs? The quantity of your work is impressive however the quality is appalling! It’s ironic how we have one group (lean sigma) trying to reduce turn times to make an area more efficient and then we have MDT increasing a transit to become an "A" check. Is this a reflection on your association's divisions???
May I offer a suggestion.........Pull your heads in.
Unhappy worker, what’s there to be unhappy about? You all receive staff travel, a bonus system second to none, a SAFE working environment and many other fringe benefits (cars, laptops, etc etc). Just try and think for just one second how good you all really have it. How many of your mates can say they earn as much as you and do as little as you do for it. When was the last time you went home form work truly exhausted???? Maybe after a night shift but is it really exhausting to sit in the smoko room for hours playing the computer, watching TV, chatting or sleeping??? As soon as you finish work and walk out the gate you need not think of work again until you walk back in. Any other tradesman out there would have to work 16-hour days 7 days a week to get the same or more money then you guys. Are these the people you are talking about ultralights?????
You all seem not to understand. We are trying to improve the way we do business so that we can keep jobs here in Australia. Eg. Lean sigma, jetsmart. It seems all you want to do is whinge and complain about the changes. You are your own worst enemy.
Take a trip out of pity city and see how lucky you all are.
And what’s going on in MEL? Are you all running scared and trying to justify your obsolete jobs? The quantity of your work is impressive however the quality is appalling! It’s ironic how we have one group (lean sigma) trying to reduce turn times to make an area more efficient and then we have MDT increasing a transit to become an "A" check. Is this a reflection on your association's divisions???
May I offer a suggestion.........Pull your heads in.
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You're either a wind-up merchant, or an under 10 year old, company_spy.
Quote: "I know of no person who would do their job knowing they can get the twice the pay elsewhere."
You mean you are unaware of Jet Star and Virgin Blue staff?
Quote: "When was the last time you went home form work truly exhausted????"
QF employ professional lame's. not football players!
Quote: " As soon as you finish work and walk out the gate you need not think of work again until you walk back in."
That's why we're not paid when we're not at work.
Quote: "We are trying to improve the way we do business so that we can keep jobs here in Australia./Take a trip out of pity city and see how lucky you all are."
Here they come again, the same old threats..."You should be grateful for having a job" (regardless that you are being paid **** money.) YOU should be grateful you have quality employees for the **** you pay!
Quote: "The quantity of your work is impressive however the quality is appalling!"
You mean you want to pay me ****, use no KY, and tell me to say "I love you" and smile? Would you like fries with that?
Eimar Moron.
Quote: "I know of no person who would do their job knowing they can get the twice the pay elsewhere."
You mean you are unaware of Jet Star and Virgin Blue staff?
Quote: "When was the last time you went home form work truly exhausted????"
QF employ professional lame's. not football players!
Quote: " As soon as you finish work and walk out the gate you need not think of work again until you walk back in."
That's why we're not paid when we're not at work.
Quote: "We are trying to improve the way we do business so that we can keep jobs here in Australia./Take a trip out of pity city and see how lucky you all are."
Here they come again, the same old threats..."You should be grateful for having a job" (regardless that you are being paid **** money.) YOU should be grateful you have quality employees for the **** you pay!
Quote: "The quantity of your work is impressive however the quality is appalling!"
You mean you want to pay me ****, use no KY, and tell me to say "I love you" and smile? Would you like fries with that?
Eimar Moron.
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thanks for the laugh QF spy...
I NO longer work for QF! I workED for Qf because i loved the job, still do, its challeneging and rewarding, and i love flying, I left, because i was wronged by the company, and treated unfairly, and at the same time watching the execs give themselves massive pay rises! at our direct expense..
really? i still have staff travel rights, and will do for the next 10 yrs! have i used it yet since leaving, NO, VB fares are CHEAPER, and i know i will get a seat!
Every day, and with the satisfaction of doing a good days work and knowing my staff are happy........ and hence, my customers....
ummm, no, if i work a 3 day week, for 10 hrs a day... i will exceed my wages at QF.
really!!!!! ****, i always thought that in the maintainence game, it was the QUALITY of your work that ensures aircraft safety! aircraft safety ensures a good reputation, and SAVES LIVES!
so in fact QF SPY, you are willing to sacrifice SAFETY in the name of making a $..............
remember mr QF spy, and MR.Q, Qantas is NO longer the premier airline,.... just another one....
Ultralights, what you say holds no relevance for this forum. If what you are saying is true then WHY do you work for QF.
what’s there to be unhappy about? You all receive staff travel, a bonus system second to none,
When was the last time you went home form work truly exhausted????
Any other tradesman out there would have to work 16-hour days 7 days a week to get the same or more money then you guys.
The quantity of your work is impressive however the quality is appalling!
so in fact QF SPY, you are willing to sacrifice SAFETY in the name of making a $..............
remember mr QF spy, and MR.Q, Qantas is NO longer the premier airline,.... just another one....
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AN LAME and sys4 you look like you need some explanations
The handover is a critical tool used by us proffessionals to ensure safety. If we dont have it or rush it we may miss vital steps for the oncoming crews. AN LAME did you read the alaea question answer sheet.
The senior engineers in Syd have with the asisstance of s.fenech organized some answers for the members of the alaea to the questions on handovers and other operators etc..
It was decided and told to alaea members from the alaea that handovers are not to be part of the ban. read the alaea publicatoin. Aus air and NZ retgistered Qf aircraft are also excluded from the bans.
Base overtime will be ok on them and Atlas aircraft and all qf aircraft to be worked by those on shift. We thank Mr Fenech and Heywood for a sensable and proffessional approach to the limatations.
Mr Qantas what planet are you from,how will not doing a handover jeopardize aircraft safety,this forum is for aircraft professionals i'm sure there is other forums out there for you
The senior engineers in Syd have with the asisstance of s.fenech organized some answers for the members of the alaea to the questions on handovers and other operators etc..
It was decided and told to alaea members from the alaea that handovers are not to be part of the ban. read the alaea publicatoin. Aus air and NZ retgistered Qf aircraft are also excluded from the bans.
Base overtime will be ok on them and Atlas aircraft and all qf aircraft to be worked by those on shift. We thank Mr Fenech and Heywood for a sensable and proffessional approach to the limatations.
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Taken from the ALAEA joke website and posted by Trustee SF
Just a few questions that you might like to answer AN LAME
The ALAEA have met with Qf 6 times for the EBA in approx 5 months or 1 meeting every 4 weeks while we wait patiently for a wagerise. Why have the ALAEA made themselves available to meet with Qf every week to discuss the LAMEless tarmac the Qf wants? Are you and your Trustee sure you don't want the negotiations drawn out?
Why were the bans approved 2 weeks before Easter but not taken until one week after Easter? Qf were notified of the bans last Tues. The act requires 3 full days notice and the bans could have started Sat morning. Why did the alaea give them 5 days notice? Now the bans start Mon morning along with all the Qf managers. Good move.
Who decided to exclude flying spanner duties from the bans? The Exucutive didn't. Another decision or was this an instruction from beyond? Bans that can't impact on the airline operation. No wonder the Qf managers are rubbing their hands together.
I note you haven't disputed or asked for further information to be supplied from my last post.
Things arent drawn out because we like it that way their drawn out because the Act puts in place so many walls and hurdles that have to be jumped in a set order and in a particular way lest you fall foul of the traps that the legislation has for unions and employees.
The ALAEA have met with Qf 6 times for the EBA in approx 5 months or 1 meeting every 4 weeks while we wait patiently for a wagerise. Why have the ALAEA made themselves available to meet with Qf every week to discuss the LAMEless tarmac the Qf wants? Are you and your Trustee sure you don't want the negotiations drawn out?
Why were the bans approved 2 weeks before Easter but not taken until one week after Easter? Qf were notified of the bans last Tues. The act requires 3 full days notice and the bans could have started Sat morning. Why did the alaea give them 5 days notice? Now the bans start Mon morning along with all the Qf managers. Good move.
Who decided to exclude flying spanner duties from the bans? The Exucutive didn't. Another decision or was this an instruction from beyond? Bans that can't impact on the airline operation. No wonder the Qf managers are rubbing their hands together.
I note you haven't disputed or asked for further information to be supplied from my last post.
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Mr Qantas you really have now idea do you,the handover is brought in to minimize the crews standing around at the begining of shift(so that you don't have 80 people standing around for 1/2 hr while the senior lame gets jobs together).The morning shift only gets it's handover from the handover book, the last nights senior lame doesn't hang around until the morning.TWIT.
P.S. lets hope you don't have to do a handover for saftey's sake
P.S. lets hope you don't have to do a handover for saftey's sake
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I tend to ignore your posts goatrooter (SP, WB, PC, ...insert any of the above) because they are just the same diatribe bemoaning any and every thing the asn does - with which I have no connection other than as a concerned member .
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I would like to redirect you all to another post.
What Lame's really earn?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ght=lame+wages
You may be surprised.
What Lame's really earn?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ght=lame+wages
You may be surprised.
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Company spy -that job description you gave may be for your own job but don't put everyone in that basket. I regularly go home exhasted. Not everyone sits in the smoko room for hrs playing the computer(though I'll grant you some do-most however don't)
I have over 20 yrs in the company licenced on two A/C types and last years my base pay was $72000.
I believe this reasonably in line with other trades of similiar experience and qualifications outside of the aviation industry. What I want is a pay rise similiar to what other trades in Australia are receiving ie 4-5 % ( I'm even willing to accept the last few years belt tightening as a result of industry turmoil).
What I'm not prepared to accept is an offer less than the Australian average AGAIN in return for those draconian clauses such as
1-OT banking where they tell you what days you will be taking off
2-transmission of business where they spin off engineering into a seperate company and disassociate themselves from any redundancy/entitlement payout
3-get no shift penalties while on training(35-40%) paycut for 2-3 months.Who can afford that. They'll have us paying for our courses next like the pilots who have to pay for ratings.
No GD has had his own way for far too long and its time some other people besides himself were rewarded for their work.At least lets make him work harder for HIS pay rise!!!
I have over 20 yrs in the company licenced on two A/C types and last years my base pay was $72000.
I believe this reasonably in line with other trades of similiar experience and qualifications outside of the aviation industry. What I want is a pay rise similiar to what other trades in Australia are receiving ie 4-5 % ( I'm even willing to accept the last few years belt tightening as a result of industry turmoil).
What I'm not prepared to accept is an offer less than the Australian average AGAIN in return for those draconian clauses such as
1-OT banking where they tell you what days you will be taking off
2-transmission of business where they spin off engineering into a seperate company and disassociate themselves from any redundancy/entitlement payout
3-get no shift penalties while on training(35-40%) paycut for 2-3 months.Who can afford that. They'll have us paying for our courses next like the pilots who have to pay for ratings.
No GD has had his own way for far too long and its time some other people besides himself were rewarded for their work.At least lets make him work harder for HIS pay rise!!!
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My experience many years ago was that all aviation industry associations were in the pocket of the employers. Sounds like nothing has changed.
Only way this is going to end is with one or more smoking holes in the ground.
Only way this is going to end is with one or more smoking holes in the ground.
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numbskull, I didn't see you add your details to the other post!!!!!
If this thread is all about crying poor and low morale, I know many people who earn a lot less than you and have very high morale.
Morale comes from within. Not from how much you earn.
If this thread is all about crying poor and low morale, I know many people who earn a lot less than you and have very high morale.
Morale comes from within. Not from how much you earn.
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morale is not just about what you get paid but it is very important non the less,when you have management constantly telling you that you are going to be outsourced,retrenched,sold off(perhaps a good thing),you are overpaid,the board appoint themselves a 66% pay rise,managment a 36% pay rise,morale will will be some what battered .
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Annulus filler- how does a conehead know what an annulus filler is??? I'm very impressed!!!! I don't now why you guys are interested in what everyone else earns apart from gloating. I definitely ticked the wrong box!!
I didn't reply to the other post as a I didn't think that valid comparisons could be made. You post made no mention of how many licences, what sort of shift pattern, length of service to name a few.
Morale doesn't come from within. It comes from being part of a successful team where your input and efforts are valued by your manager and it is recognised in some manner.(It doesn't have to be financially but that is the traditional yardstick)
I'm sure there are many many people who get less than me but have high morale. They are probably recognised by their management as making a valuable contribution.(One line in the annual report each year is not quite what I mean!!)
If my efforts were recognised more then my morale would be higher and I probably wouldn't be quite so p!$$ed off.
Maybe if GD had only given himself and his managers a 3% rise I could live with it.
Maybe if I thought I had a good chance of furthering my career by more training my morale would be higher.
Maybe if I didn't think Engineering is going to be spun off down the track and my services disposed of because it can be done cheaper in China I would be more optimistic(It will always be cheaper in China).
Maybe If my costs (petrol/health insurance/interest rates/grocery bills/taxes/child care) were going up less than 3% I could live with it. I know plasma TV's are cheaper but that doesn't really help much.
Yes my morale is low but I can't see any reason to be satisfied with any of the above
I didn't reply to the other post as a I didn't think that valid comparisons could be made. You post made no mention of how many licences, what sort of shift pattern, length of service to name a few.
Morale doesn't come from within. It comes from being part of a successful team where your input and efforts are valued by your manager and it is recognised in some manner.(It doesn't have to be financially but that is the traditional yardstick)
I'm sure there are many many people who get less than me but have high morale. They are probably recognised by their management as making a valuable contribution.(One line in the annual report each year is not quite what I mean!!)
If my efforts were recognised more then my morale would be higher and I probably wouldn't be quite so p!$$ed off.
Maybe if GD had only given himself and his managers a 3% rise I could live with it.
Maybe if I thought I had a good chance of furthering my career by more training my morale would be higher.
Maybe if I didn't think Engineering is going to be spun off down the track and my services disposed of because it can be done cheaper in China I would be more optimistic(It will always be cheaper in China).
Maybe If my costs (petrol/health insurance/interest rates/grocery bills/taxes/child care) were going up less than 3% I could live with it. I know plasma TV's are cheaper but that doesn't really help much.
Yes my morale is low but I can't see any reason to be satisfied with any of the above
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MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE
Maybe a better payrise still won't get you a higher morale.
Dig deeper numbskull and tell us what you really want and we may be able to find a solution.
Maybe there is no solution and it may be time for you to move on.
Maybe that will boost the morale of some other people with all that negativity I read on this post.
The point I am trying to make with the other post is that we keep comparing ourselves to everyone else and it is not until you get the real facts that you may find that the grass is not always greener on the other side and in fact you are doing just fine.
Maybe a better payrise still won't get you a higher morale.
Dig deeper numbskull and tell us what you really want and we may be able to find a solution.
Maybe there is no solution and it may be time for you to move on.
Maybe that will boost the morale of some other people with all that negativity I read on this post.
The point I am trying to make with the other post is that we keep comparing ourselves to everyone else and it is not until you get the real facts that you may find that the grass is not always greener on the other side and in fact you are doing just fine.
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Well, neither here nor there concerning the wage situation, here's something I'm sure will bring deep sorrow to all QF engineering staff....
BD has been off work due to what appears to have been a nervous break-down.
Thats right! Those who were fortunate enough to receive last weeks Line Maintenance newsletter were told that BD had recovered from his bout of dizziness, but alas the truth has surfaced of him falling into a heap in convulsions and twitching all over the place.
Removed from the workplace in an ambulance, he isnt expected back at work this week. Wonder what bought that on!!!
Also news today that ALAEA president has made himself available for O/T on customer aircraft. I know its 'allowed', but you'd think these guys would be making it as difficult for QF management as possible and leading by example, given they've directed some other departments not to do any O/T at all
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BD has been off work due to what appears to have been a nervous break-down.
Thats right! Those who were fortunate enough to receive last weeks Line Maintenance newsletter were told that BD had recovered from his bout of dizziness, but alas the truth has surfaced of him falling into a heap in convulsions and twitching all over the place.
Removed from the workplace in an ambulance, he isnt expected back at work this week. Wonder what bought that on!!!
Also news today that ALAEA president has made himself available for O/T on customer aircraft. I know its 'allowed', but you'd think these guys would be making it as difficult for QF management as possible and leading by example, given they've directed some other departments not to do any O/T at all
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Whats the next move with the Industrial action (Officially!)?
Word out of BNE International is that the executive have approved bans on higher duties, but they are unsure as to when this will start.
Unofficially, some people are beginning to refuse to process warranty jobs. The attitude has been if QF management are going to stall negotiations because BD cant put up with a little stress in his life, and thus cost us money, we'll just have to cost THEM money by refusing to fill out warranty claims.
Also heard rumours of people finding second jobs too. The examples I was given were all cash in hand, no tax, no super surcharge and definately no problems. Apparently there is a shortage of tradesman in Australia at the moment so the work is quite easy to find! Helps out those who are stratched, and gives them options for when their time comes to throw off the shackles of QF.
If nothing else comes out of the Industrial action, we've learnt how to make as much overtime for ourselves as we want. All those little insignificant defects we always used to 'ignore' are now being logged. And when all this is over, they spell only one thing....$$$$!
QF management will pay in the long run. How they do it, is up to them.
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Word out of BNE International is that the executive have approved bans on higher duties, but they are unsure as to when this will start.
Unofficially, some people are beginning to refuse to process warranty jobs. The attitude has been if QF management are going to stall negotiations because BD cant put up with a little stress in his life, and thus cost us money, we'll just have to cost THEM money by refusing to fill out warranty claims.
Also heard rumours of people finding second jobs too. The examples I was given were all cash in hand, no tax, no super surcharge and definately no problems. Apparently there is a shortage of tradesman in Australia at the moment so the work is quite easy to find! Helps out those who are stratched, and gives them options for when their time comes to throw off the shackles of QF.
If nothing else comes out of the Industrial action, we've learnt how to make as much overtime for ourselves as we want. All those little insignificant defects we always used to 'ignore' are now being logged. And when all this is over, they spell only one thing....$$$$!
QF management will pay in the long run. How they do it, is up to them.
Maintain the Rage