What is happening at Tullamarine???
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Being a devil's advocate:
How do people actually establish the cause of these illnesses when there is no toxicological evidence found (at least so far)? Without establishing the cause, how do they hold any organisation accountable for their losses?
What if it turns out to be a mass hysteria?
I have just been speaking to someone who has been in the middle of a bunch of people having mass hysteria and he thought that this terminal incident might possibly have been another case of it, hence this devil's advocate of a question.
How do people actually establish the cause of these illnesses when there is no toxicological evidence found (at least so far)? Without establishing the cause, how do they hold any organisation accountable for their losses?
What if it turns out to be a mass hysteria?
I have just been speaking to someone who has been in the middle of a bunch of people having mass hysteria and he thought that this terminal incident might possibly have been another case of it, hence this devil's advocate of a question.
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How on earth was DJ supposed to put up "some" people in hotels? On what basis do you choose those worthy of that?? There would have been a riot between the have and have nots.
DJ has stated today that credit shells or full refunds will be given to pax who contact us.
As for the comments on DJ staff being not experienced etc....we are a 4 year old airline, how can you compare it to QF? We have many ex airline staff amongst us and yes there are lots of young faces there too, however to imply that we are not capable etc is utter rubbish and rather insulting.
My collaegues did their best given the limited information that was offered by Melbourne Airport and the Emergency Response teams. This thread has focused much of the blame on DJ when in fact Melbourne Airport is the culprit.
I worked all day today and apart from a few angryheads our pax were fantastic. They had been stranded, delayed etc yet as a whole they were great. Restored my faith in mankind!!!
DJ has stated today that credit shells or full refunds will be given to pax who contact us.
As for the comments on DJ staff being not experienced etc....we are a 4 year old airline, how can you compare it to QF? We have many ex airline staff amongst us and yes there are lots of young faces there too, however to imply that we are not capable etc is utter rubbish and rather insulting.
My collaegues did their best given the limited information that was offered by Melbourne Airport and the Emergency Response teams. This thread has focused much of the blame on DJ when in fact Melbourne Airport is the culprit.
I worked all day today and apart from a few angryheads our pax were fantastic. They had been stranded, delayed etc yet as a whole they were great. Restored my faith in mankind!!!
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How on earth was DJ supposed to put up "some" people in hotels?
On what basis do you choose those worthy of that??
My colleagues did their best given the limited information that was offered by Melbourne Airport and the Emergency Response teams.
Bottom line, its called DRM (please tell me you know what that means
) and it looks like DJ need to work very, VERY hard on theirs.
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slightly off topic, but...
was anyone else here Pi*sed off by that stupid woman on TV going on about "we were 2 minutes until we took off and then they told us the flight was cancelled because the pilots had to go home. I will never fly Virgin again.... blah blah... disgrace.. etc etc"
HELLO? I don't see any reports saying WHO was the cause of this "leak", how the hell can that make you not want to fly the carrier again? What if it were Qantas? I hardly think she'd be saying that, for some reason..... and I haven't seen anyone saying the same thing about Rex either.... perhaps said lady would consider taking a bus to Sydney next time she wants to fly anywhere and catching a flight from there... I mean God forbid if she had to fly out of Tulla's terminal when it has had a gas leak
Oh, I nearly forgot. When she wanted above-mentioned flight to depart anyway, i sure bet she'd have relaxed with an in-flight drink, knowing her flight crew were over legal duty time and now flying both illegally and against safety procedures....
C'mon, it's about time the flying public showed a bit of sense instead of just complaining about everything that comes their way.... if a tree branch fell on their heads I bet they'd run to mummy and sue the local council.......
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was anyone else here Pi*sed off by that stupid woman on TV going on about "we were 2 minutes until we took off and then they told us the flight was cancelled because the pilots had to go home. I will never fly Virgin again.... blah blah... disgrace.. etc etc"
HELLO? I don't see any reports saying WHO was the cause of this "leak", how the hell can that make you not want to fly the carrier again? What if it were Qantas? I hardly think she'd be saying that, for some reason..... and I haven't seen anyone saying the same thing about Rex either.... perhaps said lady would consider taking a bus to Sydney next time she wants to fly anywhere and catching a flight from there... I mean God forbid if she had to fly out of Tulla's terminal when it has had a gas leak
Oh, I nearly forgot. When she wanted above-mentioned flight to depart anyway, i sure bet she'd have relaxed with an in-flight drink, knowing her flight crew were over legal duty time and now flying both illegally and against safety procedures....
C'mon, it's about time the flying public showed a bit of sense instead of just complaining about everything that comes their way.... if a tree branch fell on their heads I bet they'd run to mummy and sue the local council.......
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not off topic, you hit the nail right on the head
I mentioned earlier about the woman complaining that VB turned her fairytale wedding into a "nightmare".
An astute social observer might draw a different conclusion to the "gas leak" theory. Mass hysteria would be a good start.
Yes, there may well have been and I guess we'll hear the results of the the tests soon, but I'm not sure I'd be taking any bets on it turning out to be the cause, catalyst maybe.
It is not possible to overestimate the dumbosity of the public, and when you aggregate a large number of the dumber in the sample in a confined space, why would you be surprised at the reaction.
Stand at the exits of QF, VB and Jet* carriers and then tell me if they are carrying the same type of pax.
Politically inmcorrect this is but you can't fight the facts.
IMHO MORE specific training for the staff and more experienced FA's and a higher ratio of staff and F/A's in this mode of travel is required not less.
not off topic, you hit the nail right on the head
I mentioned earlier about the woman complaining that VB turned her fairytale wedding into a "nightmare".
An astute social observer might draw a different conclusion to the "gas leak" theory. Mass hysteria would be a good start.
Yes, there may well have been and I guess we'll hear the results of the the tests soon, but I'm not sure I'd be taking any bets on it turning out to be the cause, catalyst maybe.
It is not possible to overestimate the dumbosity of the public, and when you aggregate a large number of the dumber in the sample in a confined space, why would you be surprised at the reaction.
Stand at the exits of QF, VB and Jet* carriers and then tell me if they are carrying the same type of pax.
Politically inmcorrect this is but you can't fight the facts.
IMHO MORE specific training for the staff and more experienced FA's and a higher ratio of staff and F/A's in this mode of travel is required not less.
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Now maybe its all a bit unfair at this stage to suggest the following but after a quick google on 'mass hysteria' brought up this link to a reuters article:
http://www.healtoronto.com/hysteria.html
other similar links are produced.
quick precis
"In a study of a November, 1998, outbreak of illness at Warren County High, School in McMinnville, Tenn., Timothy Jones of the Tennessee Department of Health and his team found no evidence of any medical or environmental cause for the sickness, which affected about 186 people in two incidents.
The first incident started when a teacher at the school reported a "gasoline-like" odour in her classroom. Shortly thereafter she became sick. Other students also got sick and were taken to the hospital. The school was then closed.
Symptoms included headache, dizziness, nausea, drowsiness, vomiting and many others. They were reported by students all around the school.
A second rash of cases occurred a week later, a day after the school reopened, again resulting in the closing of the facility. After the second incident, an extensive environmental and epidemiological investigation was launched.
While Dr. Jones and his team emphasized that the symptoms reported by victims were no doubt real, they still said they were probably a case of mass hysteria.
http://www.healtoronto.com/hysteria.html
other similar links are produced.
quick precis
"In a study of a November, 1998, outbreak of illness at Warren County High, School in McMinnville, Tenn., Timothy Jones of the Tennessee Department of Health and his team found no evidence of any medical or environmental cause for the sickness, which affected about 186 people in two incidents.
The first incident started when a teacher at the school reported a "gasoline-like" odour in her classroom. Shortly thereafter she became sick. Other students also got sick and were taken to the hospital. The school was then closed.
Symptoms included headache, dizziness, nausea, drowsiness, vomiting and many others. They were reported by students all around the school.
A second rash of cases occurred a week later, a day after the school reopened, again resulting in the closing of the facility. After the second incident, an extensive environmental and epidemiological investigation was launched.
While Dr. Jones and his team emphasized that the symptoms reported by victims were no doubt real, they still said they were probably a case of mass hysteria.
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Supprising to see the "Mass Hysteria" caused by the very mention of the "Mass Hysteria Theory"????
Just the very notion seems to have convinced some sheep it must be true!
And Sir Howard Hughes is this all good therapy for you? Is it giving you time away from your own internal problems?
Because by the time Dicko has finished with you Knobs you`ll be chewing on Camp pie instead of fillet steak.
Just the very notion seems to have convinced some sheep it must be true!
And Sir Howard Hughes is this all good therapy for you? Is it giving you time away from your own internal problems?
Because by the time Dicko has finished with you Knobs you`ll be chewing on Camp pie instead of fillet steak.
