The Regulatory Reform Program will drift along forever
I remember being "introduced" to DCA or CAA across the road at Tulla by Bushy around 1977 when a young engineer at Ansett with a little statistical quality control knowledge and experience.
"We would like you to develop some way for us to monitor your engineering performance" was the request from DCA. "Can you please make some sort of report thing that we can show to the boss that proves you are doing OK?"
After a week or Two I built a reporting system, the IT guys automated it, and we never heard from them again, at least until.....
"We would like you to develop some way for us to monitor your engineering performance" was the request from DCA. "Can you please make some sort of report thing that we can show to the boss that proves you are doing OK?"
After a week or Two I built a reporting system, the IT guys automated it, and we never heard from them again, at least until.....
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I remember being "introduced" to DCA or CAA across the road at Tulla by Bushy around 1977 when a young engineer at Ansett with a little statistical quality control knowledge and experience.
"We would like you to develop some way for us to monitor your engineering performance" was the request from DCA. "Can you please make some sort of report thing that we can show to the boss that proves you are doing OK?"
After a week or Two I built a reporting system, the IT guys automated it, and we never heard from them again, at least until.
"We would like you to develop some way for us to monitor your engineering performance" was the request from DCA. "Can you please make some sort of report thing that we can show to the boss that proves you are doing OK?"
After a week or Two I built a reporting system, the IT guys automated it, and we never heard from them again, at least until.
And as for the likelihood of this thread becoming a world record candidate, that is highly likely considering the depth of ineptitude, incompetence, stupidity and principality of Fort Fumble. However, I am sure that if one day Wikileaks gets a hold of any of Fort Fumbles dirt files then a lot of Ppruners will be switching over, if only for a little while at least anyway, and watching the Untouchables tumbling down. C`mon Julian, surely you have something tucked away ??
P.S Happy 22nd Anniversary !
Gaunty, February 2005:
Fair suck of the sauce bottle guys.
Quote:
"We have an action item to develop a plan to forward to the minister about when we plan to have them to the minister, and I assume that plan would be done in the next couple of months."
A little circumlocutory/prolix maybe but given the environment understandable;
decode = we'll have a timetable in a cuppla months.
I think they got the message.
In any event why should we be surprised that is taking a little while to get the whole trainset back on the rails.
Refocus from quantity to quality AND where the emphasis for the application of resources needs to be applied takes time to do properly.
A rational continuation of the revised reform process can't take place until the management and people issues are resolved and there has been a fair bit of that lately.
Early 2006 in my understanding was always the new aiming point.
Quote:
"We have an action item to develop a plan to forward to the minister about when we plan to have them to the minister, and I assume that plan would be done in the next couple of months."
A little circumlocutory/prolix maybe but given the environment understandable;
decode = we'll have a timetable in a cuppla months.
I think they got the message.
In any event why should we be surprised that is taking a little while to get the whole trainset back on the rails.
Refocus from quantity to quality AND where the emphasis for the application of resources needs to be applied takes time to do properly.
A rational continuation of the revised reform process can't take place until the management and people issues are resolved and there has been a fair bit of that lately.
Early 2006 in my understanding was always the new aiming point.
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Early 2006 in my understanding was always the new aiming point.
I have twenty bucks that says the completion of the regulatory reform and issue of a new, complete set of Regulations wn't happen within the next decade!
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The Perpetual Inertia Machine
In August 2005 I posted on this thread an extract from a CASA job advert:
In May 2006 I quoted this from a CASA regulatory reform update:
That was Mr Mazowita’s second go as a senior manager in ‘regulatory development’ in CASA.
And now, September 2010, CASA has advertised:
What has been produced in the interim?
This is a perpetual inertia machine.
It is desperately sad that the fibre of Australian government is now so weakened as to allow this expensive farce to continue.
Manager Regulatory Development
…
manage and co-ordinate CASA’s regulatory development process…
…
manage and co-ordinate CASA’s regulatory development process…
It is anticipated that Grant Mazowita will commence mid May with CASA, as Branch Head, Regulatory Development Management Branch.
And now, September 2010, CASA has advertised:
Job Title: Section Head Standards Development Coordination & Administration
Job Description Duties
Responsible for planning and coordinating CASA’s standards development and rule-making activities … .
Contact: Grant Mazowita, 0262171635
Job Description Duties
Responsible for planning and coordinating CASA’s standards development and rule-making activities … .
Contact: Grant Mazowita, 0262171635
This is a perpetual inertia machine.
It is desperately sad that the fibre of Australian government is now so weakened as to allow this expensive farce to continue.
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rmcdonal,
Thanks, appreciate that. I guess I could have articulated my confusion and desire for enlightenment in a more reasonable manner. In my line of work, in general, one person makes a decision, not a working group of a monumentous scale. I honestly do not understand their methodology is probably a better way of putting the question out there. I am not having a shot at any specific individuals at CASA, just wish I could see through the smoke and understand the runnings of the place as it would make life simpler.
And yes, I have removed my previous post after recieving advice from another source that I should finish my shift early, go and drink two Bundy's and take 20 mg of valium and sleep things off.
Thanks, appreciate that. I guess I could have articulated my confusion and desire for enlightenment in a more reasonable manner. In my line of work, in general, one person makes a decision, not a working group of a monumentous scale. I honestly do not understand their methodology is probably a better way of putting the question out there. I am not having a shot at any specific individuals at CASA, just wish I could see through the smoke and understand the runnings of the place as it would make life simpler.
And yes, I have removed my previous post after recieving advice from another source that I should finish my shift early, go and drink two Bundy's and take 20 mg of valium and sleep things off.
Gobbledock:
No! No! No! Gobbler, you just don't understand! Get it into your head that Australia is different! Let me explain:
Things that work perfectly satisfactorily overseas just will not work here.
Take the humble Cessna 172 for example. In the United States, where it was built, it is a humble run about and training machine, renowned for its docility, strength and tolerance. But be warned, once in the Antipodes, the Cessna 172 becomes a voracious predator and it requires special handling in a way that its original designers could not possibly have predicted. That is why you will find complete Australian published and calculated performance charts in many of them, indeed in literally thousands of Australian registered aircraft. The American or European performance charts are no longer relevant down here and the aircraft knows it.
It gets worse with larger aircraft. Even Airbus products. Indeed, some of them are so badly behaved down here that even CASA can't tame them and instead gives them exemptions - http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...te-safety.html
CASA knows all about the malevolent behaviour of inanimate objects once they reach the Antipodes. It goes to great lengths to protect us from aircraft of all sorts that work perfectly safely in their own countries, but just will not perform the same way in Australia without CASA attention and mandatory modification. Why guess what happened when the first Australian F18 was sent to Woomera for missile launching trials - the pilot pressed the tit and nothing happened because the aircraft was in the Southern hemisphere! This proves that what is good enough for Europe and America, isn't good enough for Australia!
But that is only the first part of the problem; rules and regulations are required to be stricter here because Australian pilots have no common sense whatsoever. I think its because of our convict past, but give an Australian pilot an inch and they will take a mile! My old school headmaster frequently punished students on the strength of his own famous pronouncement (which I know is known to at least one member of CASA) that "A breach of common sense is a breach of school rules".
However "common sense" is unknown to Australian pilots, hence unlike in America, the minutiae of preferred Australian pilot behaviour must be spelled out in voluminous regulation in great detail, together with the appropriate punishments for transgressors. Fortunately we have CASA to do this and protect us from ourselves.
rmcdonal,
Thanks, appreciate that. I guess I could have articulated my confusion and desire for enlightenment in a more reasonable manner. In my line of work, in general, one person makes a decision, not a working group of a monumentous scale. I honestly do not understand their methodology is probably a better way of putting the question out there. I am not having a shot at any specific individuals at CASA, just wish I could see through the smoke and understand the runnings of the place as it would make life simpler.
And yes, I have removed my previous post after recieving advice from another source that I should finish my shift early, go and drink two Bundy's and take 20 mg of valium and sleep things off.
Thanks, appreciate that. I guess I could have articulated my confusion and desire for enlightenment in a more reasonable manner. In my line of work, in general, one person makes a decision, not a working group of a monumentous scale. I honestly do not understand their methodology is probably a better way of putting the question out there. I am not having a shot at any specific individuals at CASA, just wish I could see through the smoke and understand the runnings of the place as it would make life simpler.
And yes, I have removed my previous post after recieving advice from another source that I should finish my shift early, go and drink two Bundy's and take 20 mg of valium and sleep things off.
No! No! No! Gobbler, you just don't understand! Get it into your head that Australia is different! Let me explain:
Things that work perfectly satisfactorily overseas just will not work here.
Take the humble Cessna 172 for example. In the United States, where it was built, it is a humble run about and training machine, renowned for its docility, strength and tolerance. But be warned, once in the Antipodes, the Cessna 172 becomes a voracious predator and it requires special handling in a way that its original designers could not possibly have predicted. That is why you will find complete Australian published and calculated performance charts in many of them, indeed in literally thousands of Australian registered aircraft. The American or European performance charts are no longer relevant down here and the aircraft knows it.
It gets worse with larger aircraft. Even Airbus products. Indeed, some of them are so badly behaved down here that even CASA can't tame them and instead gives them exemptions - http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...te-safety.html
CASA knows all about the malevolent behaviour of inanimate objects once they reach the Antipodes. It goes to great lengths to protect us from aircraft of all sorts that work perfectly safely in their own countries, but just will not perform the same way in Australia without CASA attention and mandatory modification. Why guess what happened when the first Australian F18 was sent to Woomera for missile launching trials - the pilot pressed the tit and nothing happened because the aircraft was in the Southern hemisphere! This proves that what is good enough for Europe and America, isn't good enough for Australia!
But that is only the first part of the problem; rules and regulations are required to be stricter here because Australian pilots have no common sense whatsoever. I think its because of our convict past, but give an Australian pilot an inch and they will take a mile! My old school headmaster frequently punished students on the strength of his own famous pronouncement (which I know is known to at least one member of CASA) that "A breach of common sense is a breach of school rules".
However "common sense" is unknown to Australian pilots, hence unlike in America, the minutiae of preferred Australian pilot behaviour must be spelled out in voluminous regulation in great detail, together with the appropriate punishments for transgressors. Fortunately we have CASA to do this and protect us from ourselves.
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Australian pilot behaviour must be spelled out in voluminous regulation in great detail,
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Just read back over Lead Sled's comments at the top of the page:
And that changed when the CASA made it a point to look at the economic aspects of an AOC applicant supposedly for safety reasons how...?
The CASA should stick to aviation rules and regulations and get their noses out of the financial aspects of any company or industry.
remember that, in those days, DCA was also an economic regulator
The CASA should stick to aviation rules and regulations and get their noses out of the financial aspects of any company or industry.
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mcdonal - don't know what the Keg may have said but ignoring that for a minute.
CASA as a public body cannot sue any person or individual in its own name for defamation.
An individual within CASA or anywhere may sue for defamation but basically they will have prove it was false, malicious and untrue and not just fair comment (fair comment must be based on know and provable facts). Golden rule - avoid making allegations personally, making allegations that do not have some basis in fact. So don't put about nonsense about people that you hear from somebody else. To defame some one you effectively have to harm the reputation of an identifiable third person. The test is this:
"Does the communication lower/harm the plaintiff’s (the persons) reputation, hold the plaintiff (person) up to ridicule, or lead others to shun and avoid the plaintiff(person)?’ This is judged from the viewpoint of ‘ordinary reasonable people in the community in general’ and in light of contemporary standards.
Now if you really have the urge, see a lawyer first, just to be sure. Otherwise keep it in the third person such as bureaucratic lackey or similar. And don't use inside information from the Evil Principate, no matter how much you may trust the giver of such information, as it was probably released unlawfully and would be a breach of the Crimes Act.
And what I said here is not gospel, just a guide for commonsense comment.
CASA as a public body cannot sue any person or individual in its own name for defamation.
An individual within CASA or anywhere may sue for defamation but basically they will have prove it was false, malicious and untrue and not just fair comment (fair comment must be based on know and provable facts). Golden rule - avoid making allegations personally, making allegations that do not have some basis in fact. So don't put about nonsense about people that you hear from somebody else. To defame some one you effectively have to harm the reputation of an identifiable third person. The test is this:
"Does the communication lower/harm the plaintiff’s (the persons) reputation, hold the plaintiff (person) up to ridicule, or lead others to shun and avoid the plaintiff(person)?’ This is judged from the viewpoint of ‘ordinary reasonable people in the community in general’ and in light of contemporary standards.
Now if you really have the urge, see a lawyer first, just to be sure. Otherwise keep it in the third person such as bureaucratic lackey or similar. And don't use inside information from the Evil Principate, no matter how much you may trust the giver of such information, as it was probably released unlawfully and would be a breach of the Crimes Act.
And what I said here is not gospel, just a guide for commonsense comment.
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"Does the communication lower/harm the plaintiff’s (the persons) reputation, hold the plaintiff (person) up to ridicule, or lead others to shun and avoid the plaintiff(person)?’ This is judged from the viewpoint of ‘ordinary reasonable people in the community in general’ and in light of contemporary standards
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rmcdonal, occasionally in a totalitarianism the King has his own head removed by the general populous !
I have just returned from a very large Asian country and have , once again, been reminded of how molly-coddled we are in Australia. Some examples:
Surely we could ease off on our 'protect ourselves from ourselves' regulations just a bit ?
- You wear a motorcycle helmet ... only if you don't want to die ... otherwise, don't
- You put a fence around a pool .... only if you want to protect un-supervised children ... your choice
- The footpaths are broken, uneven and at peculiar angles ... but not an inch of crime scene tape to be seen ... you watch your step
- You climb through the dodgiest tourist icons ... without a safety harness or helmet ... you watch your step ... or don't go
Surely we could ease off on our 'protect ourselves from ourselves' regulations just a bit ?
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And that is the nub of the problem that needs exsanguination.
Begin with The Office of Legal Counsel. Urgently please.
Begin with The Office of Legal Counsel. Urgently please.
Peuce, I hear what you say and rather agree that the nanny-state has gone too far in many areas. Perhaps applied to aviation, we could reduce the regulations to just three: 1. Screw up - shred your licence. 2. Prang an aeroplane - shut you down 3. Kill someone - everyone potentially involved i.e. directors, pilots and engineers - in the slammer until the cause is found. The 4th unwritten rule of course remains exactly as it is everywhere on the planet - don't get caught. Isn't that how it works in parts of Asia?