The Regulatory Reform Program will drift along forever

[blackhand]

TB. What on earth are you on about (or taking)? Have you not read what I’ve said in this thread?

It would appear that all those on the Ferry have been drinking too much Kava, then someone kicked over the Tanoa......

[tail wheel]

It has been many, many years since Creampuff rode the CASA gravy train and finally saw the light.



But if the regulatory re-write is finally over, at an estimated average cost of $8.7 million per year, what is CASA now going to do with the plethora of staff it no longer needs? Mass redundancies perhaps?

[Frank Arouet]

and finally saw the light.

I think he may have been "blinded by the light" and now posts as a "quasi" third party, with fairly accurate advice of things of past. Some posts I ignore, but I read and take note. Others would be wise to do the same.

Mass redundancies perhaps?

I don't think the red witch or fumbalese would take kindly to that, could even be embarrasing.

[gobbledock]

Regulatory folly and bollocks

Do you not want this appalling expensive and chronically unproductive journey in circles to end?

Actually it is quite distressing. It is like watching a child grow up in your house, from conception to age 23! All those light hearted moments, the highs and the lows, and now the big moment has come and the child is about to be free? I don't know if I can cope with this if it is true. Oh dear, I am struggling with the 'change management' process, hope I don't get an RCA!

Mass redundancies perhaps?

Unlikely. Some may leave with a golden hand shake and return the next week as a Consultant on double the money! Others will be shuffled off into some dark corner of the lunatic asylum and get paid to watch Poohtube footage of naughty operators or process DAMP reports or go chase rogue chopper pilots doing low passes over cattle on their 10 000 hectare ranch. Then again others will resign and go work for Frank, or become MODS!!! Imagine all those I.P addresses they could source of those disgruntled posters on prune!!

[Kharon]

Reformed or reformatted?

The latest blurb, issued by 'he who must not be named' worries me more than any of the previous scripts provided from Yes Minister; it just shows a new strategy.

Have a read of some of the current rubbish on offer, talk to the engineers (those that have stayed in business) then decide. It will do no good to whinge and whine after this mess becomes law; and, by the sounds of it, there is a whole load of 'new' law heading your way. There is a little time before the next election.

So far the 'new ' regulations have provided a garbled mix of CAO and CAR loaded in favour of the regulator, larded with Draconian threats and seasoned with complex language. The next step will be to dump a load of unworkable rubbish into the industry lap and say – 'there you go boys, new regs'. Then it becomes the industry problem, not theirs.

"Yes Minister, we delivered, not our fault the industry can't work them. We consulted, we redrafted and we provided".

Have the regulations been reformed and remodelled in compliance with ICAO and the rest of the world? or have we just been handed a stew of the same of old crap, reformatted to suit?

[bilbert]

"Yes Minister, we delivered, not our fault the industry can't work them. We consulted, we redrafted and we provided".

Exactly. The last consultation was never acknowledged. No summary of responses. This last consultation will be ignored as well.
They can do what they wish as there's no one to stop them.

[arkmark]

FAR OUT

I stopped working in the industry 6 years ago and they were already well underway with their regulatory makeover that they just didn't need !!!!!

Is that cr@p still going on. Sounds like careers are being made out of it yet safety still hasn't changed !!!

CAWA not CASA. What does the W stand for ?

[Frank Arouet]

Thousands of gold watch's have been handed out.

Does the "W" stand for Wayne?

[Sarcs]

What does the W stand for ?

...and thousands of troughs emptied and refilled to overflowing...'Whimsical' perhaps??

[gaunty]

You gotta work in the system you've got

I guess it works both ways.

From someone who gained a Transport Category AOC unrestricted worldwide in around 100 days flat with Elephant stamp and Gold Star for us and from us to them. I suspect if you know what it is they want and why and they know you know what you're doing and work with them they don't have any difficulties.

I am heading into retirement from the day to day but can view the whole thing from as far back as 1962.

Has it got better or worse. Curates egg is the only answer I have, good in parts.

On balance the 2 airline policy skewed things beyond measure and the non airline industry never really recovered from there and then we got regulatory reform and still going after nearly 30 years. And it's going to keep changing. It's called progress.

I have just had broadband wifi installed in one of the aircraft. 2 years ago nobody could afford it and it was still basically just a dream.

I had the crew grow away their Fujitsu Notebook EFB last year they all have iPad and everything is now connected from their through our portals.

AND we are leading the world in ADSB and I have to sort the fleet eqipment out by end next year. This is made a bit harder by the fact that the US OEMs still haven't certified some of he software yet. Well get there but Oz is forcing the pace.

And so it goes.

Creamy me old good to see you're still upright.

[4dogs]

Gaunty, me old

'Scuse me for hijacking your reunion with the Puff

Good to see you are also able to communicate, although I can't confirm your verticality...

Stay Alive,

[Creampuff]

Great to hear from you, Gaunty!

I’m guessing that if you did a quick review of the hot topics on D&G these days, very little has changed in a long, long time (notwithstanding the constant change) Paradoxical ...

I’ve found the most recent decades of my retirement to be very busy, interesting and rewarding. You’ll love it!

[Torres]

Reputedly the regulatory reform process is now complete, but what do we have compared to what we were promised?

I was sent this CASA circular on regulatory reform from a decade ago:



Read what CASA promised by the end of 2003 - and what we finally got nine years later at a cost somewhere north of $200 million...............

If CASA had an AOC and a Chief Pilot the AOC would be cancelled long ago and the Chief Pilot on the dole queue.

I guess the only question that should be asked is:

"Did CASA intentionally lie and mislead the aviation industry, Parliament and Australia, or were they simply far too incompetent and incapable of carrying out the task?"

[Sarcs]

History and Spin of Reg Reform!

Torres how about this Media Release from 13 years ago:

CASA Media Release - 29 June 1999
CASA's ambitious reform program
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) is setting itself an ambitious program of reform for the future, according to the new Chairman Dr Paul Scully-Power.

Dr Scully-Power says CASA is committed to continuing the rewriting of Australian aviation regulations and to fair and consistent enforcement of the rules.

He says aviation regulations will be simpler and easier to follow and will move closer to international standards.

"The CASA Board has a clear vision of the changes and reforms which are required to help improve the safety record of aviation in Australia and will work to ensure they are embraced by everyone in CASA and the industry," Dr Scully-Power says.

"Our long term goal is to make flying as easy as possible for everyone in Australia who complies with the rules and acts responsibly.
"In the short term CASA has a number of important projects under way that will deliver real benefits to the aviation industry and the travelling public.

"The most important of these projects is the continuing work to rewrite the aviation safety regulations.

"This is a huge job which has been progressing for some time and will take many more months to complete.

"Right now the new regulations governing Airworthiness Directives are being finalised and should come into effect by the end of October this year.

"Rules relating to Aircraft Registration and Markings will be rewritten in the second half of this year."

Or this from a decade ago:

CASA Media Release - Thursday 17 October 2002
New air safety rules to help industry

A new analysis shows the restructuring of Australia’s aviation regulations will greatly simplify and clarify air safety requirements.

More than 900 civil aviation regulations and orders will be organised into 53 key categories under the new structure of the air safety rules.
This user-friendly approach will make it easier for people in the aviation industry to find the right rules for their operation.

The categories – known as Parts under the new structure – cover areas such as airworthiness, maintenance, licensing, flight rules, air transport operations and aerodromes.

At the moment people working in a small airline or charter business must follow specific rules for their type of operation, which are contained in more than 95 different civil aviation regulations and orders.

Under the new structure all the rules dedicated to small airlines and charter operations will be in a single category – Part 121B.

Large airlines currently follow rules specific to their operations which are located in more than 65 different regulatory areas. These will now be grouped into one category – Part 121A.

General operating and flight rules are now spelt out in at least 95 regulations and orders. These will be located in a single category – Part 91.

CASA’s Acting Director of Aviation Safety, Bruce Gemmell, says the new analysis of the regulatory reform programme is a real eye-opener.

“The proposed new structure has been around for a while but no-one has sat down and looked carefully at it’s impact in this way,” Mr Gemmell says.

“The good news is that the impact is very, very positive. The life of everybody involved in aviation in Australia will be a great deal easier under this simpler, clearer regulatory structure.

“Under the new rules you can go to a clear subject area to look up the regulations and requirements specific to your aviation operations. Naturally, for most people there will still be generally applicable rules that will be contained in other Parts.

“But the bottom-line is that under the new structure it will be easier to find the air safety requirements relevant to your operation.

“Of course, there’s a lot more to the reform of the regulations than just restructuring, however the benefits of this initiative alone are now obvious.”

Then in 2003 the year it was all supposed to all have been completed by, they upped the ante for Media release rhetoric, guilty conscious perhaps or just making excuses:

CASA Media Release - Thursday 20 February, 2003
Aviation industry urged to speak up on new rules

Pilots, air operators and flying instructors are being urged to register now for a vital conference on Australia’s air safety rules.

Places are filling quickly for the conference that focuses on proposed new regulations covering flight crew licensing, flight operations and flying training.

The proposed new rules are central to the safe operation of the aviation industry and impact on large and small aviation businesses, as well as private pilots.

With the draft rules set to be finalised at the end of this year, the conference is an important opportunity for people in the aviation industry to provide comment and criticism to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
The three day conference starts on 3 March and is being held at the Sydney Convention Centre.

More than 200 people have already registered to attend the sessions, which will look at the proposed new rules in detail.

Representatives from the large airlines as well as many smaller regular public transport operators and charter operators will be present.
Most TAFEs and universities that offer aviation courses will also be taking part.

CASA’s executive manager Standards, Bill McIntyre, says the conference is the most important aviation safety event in 2003.

“ The re-write of Australia’s aviation safety standards is well advanced and CASA’s aim is finalise the great bulk of the work by the end of this year,” Mr McIntyre says.

“ It means the aviation industry will be facing many changes to safety regulations in the next few years.

“ That makes it vital for everyone involved in flying to have their say on the proposed reforms now.

“ Everyone who flies who or runs an aviation business will have to make changes - now is the time to learn about the proposals and be a part of the reform process.”
CASA Media Release - Thursday 16 January, 2003
Key conference on new aviation rules

Full details of a major conference focusing on the development of new aviation safety rules have been released by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

CASA is holding a three-day conference in Sydney in March to examine proposed new rules covering flight crew licensing, operations and training.
The conference gives people in the aviation industry a special chance to take part in the detailed development of the new rules.

Feedback from the conference will play a key role in the final drafting of proposed regulations.

CASA is inviting aircraft operators, chief pilots, flying instructors, testing officers, pilots and flight engineers to attend the conference.
The conference features four half-day workshops where specific parts of the new rules will be looked at closely.

These workshops will give people in the aviation industry a unique opportunity to learn about the proposed regulations and provide feedback directly to the CASA staff working on regulatory reform.

Workshops will cover:

• Flight crew licensing – Part 61
• Air transport, small aeroplanes – Part 121B
• General operating and flight rules – Part 91
• Flight training – Part 141
• Flight crew training and checking – Part 142
• Rotorcraft, aerial agriculture and aerial work – Parts 133, 136, 137

Opening and closing plenary sessions will summarise the discussions and present a complete picture of the status and next stages of regulatory reform.

CASA’s executive manager Standards, Bill McIntyre, says the conference is a must for people in all sectors of the aviation industry.

“ The issues are critical to people in both general aviation and for those working for the large operators,” Mr McIntyre says.

“ CASA needs the ideas, comments and criticisms of a broad cross-section of the aviation industry so we get the best possible outcomes from regulatory reform.”

The conference is being held 3-5 March at the Sydney Convention Centre. Full details at www.casa.gov.au/seminars/


CASA Media Release - Thursday, 29 May 2003
Timetable for new safety regulations

A timetable for the introduction of a range of important new aviation safety regulations has been released by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

The timetable outlines the proposed effective dates for groups of regulations that will make up the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations.
Under CASA’s regulatory reform program, older Civil Aviation Regulations are gradually being replaced by the new rules.

Almost half of the regulations have already been updated, with the balance due to be completed by 2006.

The timetable shows that 24 Parts under the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations are scheduled to be made effective by the end of 2003.
A further 14 Parts are scheduled to be effective by the end of 2005, with the timetable for four other Parts yet to be determined.

The timetable is contained in a new information brochure produced by CASA to keep the aviation industry up-to-date with the regulatory reform program. The brochure sets out the steps CASA is taking to help the aviation industry switch over to the new rules.

CASA’s executive manager Aviation Regulatory Services, Rob Collins, says a strategy has been developed to minimise disruption to the aviation industry during the transition.

“ CASA is not simply dropping these new regulations over the fence and walking away,” Mr Collins says.

“ CASA will be offering education, training and direct assistance to organisations and individuals as the new regulations come into effect.
“ For aviation organisations CASA will offer case management – CASA people working with air operators and maintenance organisations to help them comply with the new regulations.

“ Of course people in the aviation industry must take responsibility for moving over to the new rules but I can give strong assurances that there will be practical and effective assistance.”
More time for input on new rules

The aviation industry is being given more time to consider key proposals for reform of the aviation safety regulations.

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority is extending the cut-off date for comments on six detailed safety reform documents.

This follows calls from many sections of the aviation industry to allow extra time for careful consideration of the reform proposals.

CASA’s Director of Aviation Safety, Mick Toller, says industry comment is vital in getting the new safety regulations right.

“The new regulations will set the framework for aviation safety in Australia for the first part of this Century, so it is critical they are the best we can achieve,” Mr Toller says.

“CASA can’t do this alone – we need to draw on the expertise and knowledge of as many people in the aviation industry as possible.
“In recent weeks a number of people have told me they are very keen to comment on these proposals but they simply need more time.

“These Discussion Papers and Notices of Proposed Rule Making are large documents and some of the issues are complex, so it is only sensible to allow as much time as possible for comment.

“I urge people in aviation in Australia to give their input to the proposed reforms so we can refine and improve on the drafts.”

CASA is extending the comment deadline until August 31 for six reform documents.

These cover pilot licensing, flying training, air operator certification, large air transport operations and small air transport operations.

The consultation documents have been issued by CASA as part of the program of rewriting Australia’s aviation safety regulations.

After that who cares...oh but BB did have a crack at a couple of new excuses..

CASA media release - Thursday, 9 February 2006
Regulatory reform program refined

The framework for the development of Australia's aviation safety regulations is being refined by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

The framework will make it easier for the aviation industry to comply with the safety rules, as well as streamlining the process of updating regulations.

At the heart of the new approach to regulatory development are two tiers of legislation, underpinned by supporting safety advisory material.

The tiers of legislation are the Civil Aviation Act and the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations.

CASA plans to support the legislation with material which will provide guidance to the aviation industry on how to comply with the regulations and Act.

CASA's preference is to replace the current three tiers of legislation: the Civil Aviation Act, Civil Aviation Safety Regulations and Civil Aviation Orders.

The big advantages of this framework are that the supporting guidance material will be written in easy-to-follow technical language rather than legal language and there will be flexibility in how the aviation industry complies with the rules.

CASA chief executive officer Bruce Byron says the approach is one used in other leading aviation nations and has a proven track record.

“This means we can make the regulations shorter, with a clear focus on safety outcomes, while leaving the detail about compliance to the supporting material,” Mr Byron says.

“The supporting material will consist of an Acceptable Means of Compliance, advisory circulars and other documentation as required.”
CASA will also be establishing a simpler process for developing the new regulations, while maintaining a high level of consultation with the aviation industry.

“We are forming small industry/CASA teams to develop the supporting material for each set of regulations. These teams will start with the safety outcomes we need to achieve and work out the best and most practical ways of delivering the safety results.

“CASA will then review the relevant regulations to determine what changes need to be made.”

During 2006 the maintenance suite of regulations will be finalised, along with rules relating to aerial work application and the sports aviation suite.

The majority of the remaining rules will be completed next year.

For more details on CASA's reform program for 2006-07 go to: www.casa.gov.au/media/2006/changes.htm

New rules update

The pace of work in developing new regulations is ramping up, with several notices of proposed rule making and one notice of final rule making due over the next two months. NPRMs for Civil Aviation Safety Regulations Parts 103 and 105 will be issued in December 2006. Part 103 covers sport and recreational aviation operations and Part 105 covers parachuting operations from aircraft. This will be followed by NPRMs for Parts 149 and 115B in January/February 2007. Part 149 deals with recreational aviation administration organisations, while Part 115B covers the use of balloons for non-recreational activities. An NPRM on Alcohol and other Drugs Testing is expected to be released by January.

The final regulatory package for CASR Part 137 – aerial application operations - will be sent to the Minister for Transport in the next few weeks. CASA’s chief executive officer is expected to approve a new Classification of Aircraft Activities policy shortly.


June 2007
From CEO Bruce Byron

A revised set of principles to guide the development of new aviation safety regulations has been issued. The new principles address a number of concerns being voiced by people across the aviation industry, particularly the need to avoid unnecessary costs imposed by new regulations. I formally signed off on the Development of Regulations and Regulatory Framework directive last week, which replaces an earlier version released in 2004. Key points are:

• Aviation safety regulations must be shown to be necessary to address known or likely safety risks
• If a regulation can be justified on safety grounds, it must be made in a form that provides for the most efficient allocation of industry and CASA resources
• The regulations must not impose unnecessary costs or unnecessarily hinder high levels of participation in aviation and its capacity for growth
• Where appropriate regulations are to be aligned with the standards and practices of leading aviation countries
• Regulations must be drafted to specify safety outcomes, unless more prescriptive requirements are required in the interests of safety
• Regulations must be drafted to be as clear and concise as possible.

I am confident these principles will ensure all the new regulations being developed achieve the safety outcomes the Australian aviation industry requires, without placing additional burdens on organisations and people.

The directive has been issued at the same time that the Aviation Regulation Review Taskforce has been considering a range of issues. The Taskforce is the high-level group set up by the Minister For Transport earlier this year to provide advice on key directions and priorities for regulatory reform. It has asked the Standards Consultative Committee - the CASA/industry group which looks in detail at new regulatory proposals - to review the large amount of work done to date on the development of Part 91 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations. Part 91 covers general operating and flight rules and is the key set of rules on which all the other operational regulations will be based. In particular, the Taskforce wants the Standards Consultative Committee working group that is responsible for Part 91 to make sure it is aligned with the principles in the new directive, especially in relation to unnecessary costs. I expect this review will be done quickly and will not add significantly to the time taken to finalise the Part 91 draft.

One of these even had BB's mugshot, wonder how many hamstrung operator's stuck it up on the smoko room dartboard??

[gobbledock]

2003 - A good year?

Read what CASA promised by the end of 2003 - and what we finally got nine years later at a cost somewhere north of $200 million...............

Exactly what have we finally got? Have I missed something? Is the reform program complete? Have all the pensioners that have been there 10+ years finally retired to the local bowling green and fresh experienced aviation managers been appointed? Have they had a change of heart and decided to view QF as just another operator on even ground as the rest?

If CASA had an AOC and a Chief Pilot the AOC would be cancelled long ago and the Chief Pilot on the dole queue.

But they do have spin doctors, a Board, pensioners and trough dwellers. They also had the ASOP which failed to finish around 20 to 30 projects at a cost of millions, they have spent millions restructuring or creating new silo's and empires which includes a Safety Oversight Branch that are only capable of hiring Consultants and handing out books about Penguins who have melting icebergs!! What's next, Voodoo manuals and eating goat bollocks?

I guess the only question that should be asked is:
"Did CASA intentionally lie and mislead the aviation industry, Parliament and Australia, or were they simply far too incompetent and incapable of carrying out the task?"

Hahaha. CASA lie? Please, a robust organisation as such would never lie, spin, spread pony pooh or engage in naughty story stretching with halve truths.

CASA Media Release - 29 June 1999
CASA's ambitious reform program
The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) is setting itself an ambitious program of reform for the future, according to the new Chairman Dr Paul Scully-Power.

Aagh yes, another PHD type. What a legacy he left? An unfinished program 13 years later. PHD's = pony pooh.

"It's your industry, they're your rules"

PONY POOH

[Frank Arouet]

new Chairman Dr Paul Scully-Power.

Yes, and an Astro- "Naught" as well. Was never the same after that trip.

I hear he did well as Santa Clause at the CASA Christmas party.

[Frank Arouet]

One wonders how things would be now if someone hadn't interfered with The Democrats "disallowing motion" to prevent the Strict Libility laws from becoming law. Somethig that has opened the doors to private vendettas, persecutions by an out of control Regulator now focused on "Instruments" to bypass real law that is over 23 years in the making.

Yes it all happened in my lifetime folks.

Some on this forum have a hide.

[aroa]

Flashbacks ?....or ?

.... brain damage or something, because over the past 4-5 decades I keep reading stuff from the "Regulator" that is copied from sometime before.. so one has a doubt that IS 2012, but you just read the 2002 doc. Or the 1992 doc, whatever.
Have I slipped a cog or is there a time warp in place???

Maybe the BIG R place is full of aliens and the output cycles on some bizarre galatic pulsation..period of 12 years.

But fear not, latest repeat upchuck is that all will be well by 2015..!
The Final Countdown !

Could the opening to "Mad as Hell"...(WE/ the Industry certainly is ) be what will happens then.
(Non) Aviation House becomes a giant rocket and zooms away into space.!
And the world can go back to normal.
I wish.

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

Aroa,

During that time the JAA led into EASA creating one set of regs across Europe.

You have to ask what is the problem at casa. I know factions have pulled toward TC, FAA and EASA during this time. A mix of FAA and EASA based regs probably hasn't helped.

I'm now dealing with EASA and it is a much a more pleasant experience than big R casa.

[Kharon]

Realities of Reg reform.

Last evening at the Bar room Barristers convention, one topic that got some (warm) discussion was 'how' (practically) could the NZ rules be adopted? The nuts and bolts of it. Interesting discussion. It's not as if we could just say OK as from Jan 1 this set of regs apply. Could we?

Would there need to be a new Act? If so, then how long and how much? I can't imagine a thing like a navigation act could be just written and passed in 5 minutes. Anyone know the legal/parliamentary process?

I'd imagine the 'administrative' bumf could be progressively phased in; stuff like rego, medicals, licenses etc. could be re jigged as they fell due. It's an interesting exercise from an air operators perspective though.

Anyway – it's one of those issues which seems dead easy (in the pub over a beer) but I wonder exactly how it could be achieved. Any ideas?