CASA reply to PPRuNe email re TVL.
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way to go!
check your pm's
And it's happening again
look here: Polar
Check out the "NEWS" link.
20 plus years, clean slate, same treatment as delivered by NQAO!
The modus operandi is so similar that one wonders if someone is directing the game play.
Either that, or there is an unofficial manual of standards for dirty tricks.
BB, NH, another leak to plug in the sinking ship, are you aware of this one yet, it won't go away either.
Another job for the new AM to fix?
So much for the reform process.
The misconduct and impropiety is somehow orchestrated to the same score, and it continues unabated.
Please, can we have a Royal Commission and clean this disgusting mess up once and for all.
way to go!
check your pm's
And it's happening again
look here: Polar
Check out the "NEWS" link.
20 plus years, clean slate, same treatment as delivered by NQAO!
The modus operandi is so similar that one wonders if someone is directing the game play.
Either that, or there is an unofficial manual of standards for dirty tricks.
BB, NH, another leak to plug in the sinking ship, are you aware of this one yet, it won't go away either.
Another job for the new AM to fix?
So much for the reform process.
The misconduct and impropiety is somehow orchestrated to the same score, and it continues unabated.
Please, can we have a Royal Commission and clean this disgusting mess up once and for all.
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It is my understanding that actions such as this, cannot be undertaken unless it is approved by HO.
They are very aware of the consequences and were a constructive party to the evolution of the new enforcement regulations.
It is also my understanding that said actions could not be generated by a single person without peer review within and therefore it would be safe to assume that
is a little ambitious
are perilously close to slander
is flat out paranoid.
The regulatory system is empowered to regulate according to powers and the rules given to them in the interests of the travelling public.
The new enforcement regs recently passed as part of the Civil Aviation Amendment Act, make the process as fair as it is possible without removing the regulator from the system altogether.
They provide a clearer and fairer framework and structure than before, which is intended to provide protection and relief for an operator to continue operations in the event the operator believes he is being unfairly dealt with until such time as a determination is made by an appropriate external review body.
So what is the regulator to do if it finds in the execution of its duty to the public, that an operator has not in the regulators view fulfilled the regulatory obligations required for the holding of its AOC.
If you get copped for not wearing a seatbelt and the rules say you must, then you either were or were not wearing a seatbelt?
The same regulations that apply to every other AOC holder?
You suggest on another thread that there is a goose and gander scenario in play I assume the will be subject to the same regualtory scrutiny.
Either way the process which is available to all, is in train in the hands of the AAT, they are the only ones now in full possesion of the facts as seen by both sides.
They will either agree with CASA and there will be predictable outrage from the usual suspects about draconian regs blah blah designed to drive GA operators out of business.
Or they will agree with the operator and there will be predictable outrage from the usual suspects about misuse of draconian regs blah blah designed to drive GA operators out of business.
Or a maybe in between and there will be predictable outrage from the usual suspects about misuse of draconian regs blah blah designed to drive GA operators out of business.
Lets see what the AAT have to say.
In the meantime AOC holders including the subject operator just getting on with it.
In the meantime CASA who are required by law to regulate the business in the public interest in accordance with the powers and responsibilities given to them by Parliament will be just getting on with it.
So the problem is???
The 2 Bs with the best will in the world are not going to turn the whole thing around overnight, and even were they able to, the regulatory system is empowered to regulate according to powers and the rules given to them in the interests of the travelling public.
It's their job.
Lets move on shall we.
It is my understanding that actions such as this, cannot be undertaken unless it is approved by HO.
They are very aware of the consequences and were a constructive party to the evolution of the new enforcement regulations.
It is also my understanding that said actions could not be generated by a single person without peer review within and therefore it would be safe to assume that
someone is directing the game play
Either that, or there is an unofficial manual of standards for dirty tricks.
The misconduct and impropiety is somehow orchestrated to the same score, and it continues unabated.
The regulatory system is empowered to regulate according to powers and the rules given to them in the interests of the travelling public.
The new enforcement regs recently passed as part of the Civil Aviation Amendment Act, make the process as fair as it is possible without removing the regulator from the system altogether.
They provide a clearer and fairer framework and structure than before, which is intended to provide protection and relief for an operator to continue operations in the event the operator believes he is being unfairly dealt with until such time as a determination is made by an appropriate external review body.
So what is the regulator to do if it finds in the execution of its duty to the public, that an operator has not in the regulators view fulfilled the regulatory obligations required for the holding of its AOC.
If you get copped for not wearing a seatbelt and the rules say you must, then you either were or were not wearing a seatbelt?
The same regulations that apply to every other AOC holder?
You suggest on another thread that there is a goose and gander scenario in play I assume the will be subject to the same regualtory scrutiny.
Either way the process which is available to all, is in train in the hands of the AAT, they are the only ones now in full possesion of the facts as seen by both sides.
The Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) provides independent review of a wide range of administrative decisions made by the Australian government and some non-government bodies.
Or they will agree with the operator and there will be predictable outrage from the usual suspects about misuse of draconian regs blah blah designed to drive GA operators out of business.
Or a maybe in between and there will be predictable outrage from the usual suspects about misuse of draconian regs blah blah designed to drive GA operators out of business.
Lets see what the AAT have to say.
In the meantime AOC holders including the subject operator just getting on with it.
In the meantime CASA who are required by law to regulate the business in the public interest in accordance with the powers and responsibilities given to them by Parliament will be just getting on with it.
So the problem is???
The 2 Bs with the best will in the world are not going to turn the whole thing around overnight, and even were they able to, the regulatory system is empowered to regulate according to powers and the rules given to them in the interests of the travelling public.
It's their job.
Lets move on shall we.
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Thank you for your thoughts.
Many in the industry wish it were how you describe.
Many in the industry, however, are confronted with behaviour that doesn't reflect the desired model.
There is no paranoia, no slander, just carefully documented hard evidence that will be tabled at the Royal Commission.
The AAT does not prosecute, nor recommend prosecution, nor award costs.
The AAT either upholds an appeal, or dismisses it, based on the facts presented
(CASA embrace the term "Facts and Circumstances" to really mean "Allegations and Suppositions")
The term "Despicable Behaviour" however is on record with the AAT, and it did not reflect on the character of the appellant.
Yes, this business is being quietly sorted out, within the constraints of vicarious culpability.
However, no signal is being sent out as to the consequences of not behaving.
The wound has been bandaged, but may continue to fester.
Surgery and post operative care is the answer to curing the wound and to prevent contagion.
I have been reasonably comfortable with the regulator over the years.
What has happened in recent years, from first hand experience and observing at close range others affected,
is cause for concern.
Those observations included within the regulator and within the industry.
The results of those observations are now recorded fact.
I do believe that the regulator is attempting to put it's house in order,
although some sweeping under the carpet is necessary given the urgency.
Then we may have the ideal world as you see it, rather than the real world as others experience it.
To those who have been following this thread with genuine interest,
I will not be posting further on matters CASA, but instead will wait a month or two for evidence of corrective action.
The work has started, and I would like to see it completed first.
arrived at destination, cancel SAR
Thank you for your thoughts.
Many in the industry wish it were how you describe.
Many in the industry, however, are confronted with behaviour that doesn't reflect the desired model.
There is no paranoia, no slander, just carefully documented hard evidence that will be tabled at the Royal Commission.
The AAT does not prosecute, nor recommend prosecution, nor award costs.
The AAT either upholds an appeal, or dismisses it, based on the facts presented
(CASA embrace the term "Facts and Circumstances" to really mean "Allegations and Suppositions")
The term "Despicable Behaviour" however is on record with the AAT, and it did not reflect on the character of the appellant.
Yes, this business is being quietly sorted out, within the constraints of vicarious culpability.
However, no signal is being sent out as to the consequences of not behaving.
The wound has been bandaged, but may continue to fester.
Surgery and post operative care is the answer to curing the wound and to prevent contagion.
I have been reasonably comfortable with the regulator over the years.
What has happened in recent years, from first hand experience and observing at close range others affected,
is cause for concern.
Those observations included within the regulator and within the industry.
The results of those observations are now recorded fact.
I do believe that the regulator is attempting to put it's house in order,
although some sweeping under the carpet is necessary given the urgency.
Then we may have the ideal world as you see it, rather than the real world as others experience it.
To those who have been following this thread with genuine interest,
I will not be posting further on matters CASA, but instead will wait a month or two for evidence of corrective action.
The work has started, and I would like to see it completed first.
arrived at destination, cancel SAR
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I suspect that we are probably in heated agreement on some points, but how do you fix the past?
In my direct experience as an operator across all DCA/CAA/CASA regimes and attendant personalities since 1967, I have rarely had a reason to complain about the "service". But I will admit to have never worked in TVL.
Doesn't mean that sometimes I wouldn't "double take" on a requirement or even rupture a ligament on an eyeball whilst rolling it
but I didn't take it personally.
If it was black letter law, it was black letter law, if it couldn't be shown to be so, then we'd have a chat about it and sort it out to a mutually satisfactory conclusion, and if it was necessary, direct to the Minister.
My colleagues and I are in the habit of seeing the "rules" as the base standard rather than something to strive towards.
We would rather be standards setters than followers.
I and they have held audits from all of the serious flight departments in the world.
Cant afford it if you want to be competitive? Really! Think about it
the rest don't seem to be having too many problems.
In the past I saw plenty of hard evidence that often those "many" were deserving of everything they got and more. I didn't necessarily agree with the method but if the then enforcement rules were worse than useless, then nobody was surprised if out of sheer frustration "other" methods were tried. I agree it shouldn't have to be like that.
"Pencil whipped" 3 hour Major inspections on an aircraft that required $20,000 remedial work just to get sufficiently airworthy to ferry to a heavy maintenance base, a whole fleet of Barons whose 6-10,000 TT hour engines (nobody could work out exactly how many hours and it was probably more) hadn't seen anything newer than the oil changes ? or the cylinders all with carefully documented and signed off log books. Totally running out of fuel and landing on the road with a pilot with 36 continuous duty and 20 odd flight hours having lodged flight plans for the period in different pilot names, blah blah blah. Finding pilots pay checks with three presentations bounced being used as notepaper/flight plan notes in the cockpit.
Guess who closed em down ? the regulator? nah the finance company.
Guess who were the main anti regulator protagonists.
I'll ignore the patronising bit, and, TVL aside, the "others experience" may just be a problem with the mirrors in the rest room.
Having said that I believe that was then this is now, they will get there.
I suspect that we are probably in heated agreement on some points, but how do you fix the past?
In my direct experience as an operator across all DCA/CAA/CASA regimes and attendant personalities since 1967, I have rarely had a reason to complain about the "service". But I will admit to have never worked in TVL.
Doesn't mean that sometimes I wouldn't "double take" on a requirement or even rupture a ligament on an eyeball whilst rolling it
but I didn't take it personally. If it was black letter law, it was black letter law, if it couldn't be shown to be so, then we'd have a chat about it and sort it out to a mutually satisfactory conclusion, and if it was necessary, direct to the Minister.
My colleagues and I are in the habit of seeing the "rules" as the base standard rather than something to strive towards.
We would rather be standards setters than followers.
I and they have held audits from all of the serious flight departments in the world.
Cant afford it if you want to be competitive? Really! Think about it
Many in the industry wish it were how you describe.
Many in the industry, however, are confronted with behaviour that doesn't reflect the desired model.
"Pencil whipped" 3 hour Major inspections on an aircraft that required $20,000 remedial work just to get sufficiently airworthy to ferry to a heavy maintenance base, a whole fleet of Barons whose 6-10,000 TT hour engines (nobody could work out exactly how many hours and it was probably more) hadn't seen anything newer than the oil changes ? or the cylinders all with carefully documented and signed off log books. Totally running out of fuel and landing on the road with a pilot with 36 continuous duty and 20 odd flight hours having lodged flight plans for the period in different pilot names, blah blah blah. Finding pilots pay checks with three presentations bounced being used as notepaper/flight plan notes in the cockpit.
Guess who closed em down ? the regulator? nah the finance company.
Guess who were the main anti regulator protagonists.
Then we may have the ideal world as you see it, rather than the real world as others experience it.
Having said that I believe that was then this is now, they will get there.
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Oh and a little something I posted in another thread;
On a lighter note:
One of my favourite programmes on TV right now is "No going back" a terrific docco style show that follows the fortunes of couples who sell up their busy city life and buy say a formerly grand 15th Century European Chateaux to turn into a modern guest house.
Invariably the house had "good bones"
The job is always harder than they could possibly have imagined.
The deeper they look the more evidence they find of botched repairs and el cheapo add ons.
More often than not thay have to tear out the previous renos altogether.
It always takes longer and costs more than they had budgeted, however carefully.
The local bureacracy drives em nuts until they work out it actually works however odd the ways may seem to be and how they can make it work for them.
The locals always have the real answers that often go against theirs and external experts opinion all they have to do is ask.
There is always a point at which they nearly give up to the "I told you so's".
They almost invariably get there, after a lot of very hard, hard work, a heap of encouragement, courage and persisitence, some timetable and planning adjustments and usually a bit more cash.
Sound familiar.
I'll betcha B1 and B2 watch the same show if only for inspiration from the people in it.
There is no going back.
On a lighter note:
One of my favourite programmes on TV right now is "No going back" a terrific docco style show that follows the fortunes of couples who sell up their busy city life and buy say a formerly grand 15th Century European Chateaux to turn into a modern guest house.
Invariably the house had "good bones"
The job is always harder than they could possibly have imagined.
The deeper they look the more evidence they find of botched repairs and el cheapo add ons.
More often than not thay have to tear out the previous renos altogether.
It always takes longer and costs more than they had budgeted, however carefully.
The local bureacracy drives em nuts until they work out it actually works however odd the ways may seem to be and how they can make it work for them.
The locals always have the real answers that often go against theirs and external experts opinion all they have to do is ask.
There is always a point at which they nearly give up to the "I told you so's".
They almost invariably get there, after a lot of very hard, hard work, a heap of encouragement, courage and persisitence, some timetable and planning adjustments and usually a bit more cash.
Sound familiar.
I'll betcha B1 and B2 watch the same show if only for inspiration from the people in it.
There is no going back.
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Quarter Final Scores
To date, Three heads from above in the basket ( and deservedly so ).
Who will survive next tribal council ?,
Ronald Mc Kippen or the Cookie Monster ?.
The clown is goin down, Blue is back baby !!!!.
Quarter Final Scores
To date, Three heads from above in the basket ( and deservedly so ).
Who will survive next tribal council ?,
Ronald Mc Kippen or the Cookie Monster ?.
The clown is goin down, Blue is back baby !!!!.
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Sorry, the riddles and cryptic comment are to ensure that direct exposure of the offenders is restrained.
Stink Finger does not have a "gripe", just a normal desire for ethical behaviour by the public service salaried regulator.
This thread grew out of other threads and has kept the spotlight on some questionable behaviour by factions within the regulator.
Some area offices of the regulator have a rogue element that Bruce Byron intends to bring under control.
The rogue element of some offices are accustomed to the abuse of power,
including the bullying and harassment of it's own staff and the bullying and harassment of selected operators.
There are numerous examples of malfeascence (wilful and or neglectful misconduct) and of unethical conduct.
There is further evidence of malicious conduct, of vindictive conduct, of dishonest conduct
and conduct that a Royal Commission may establish to be both corrupt conduct and criminal conduct.
It is commendable that BB has directed that these embarrassing problems be rectified, and action has been initiated.
As has been stated by SF, three heads from above have rolled, although there are more to be found there,
and there are some heads to roll at the area office level.
It is BB's intent that the regulator is seen to be ethical, and employs people of unquestionable integrity.
It has also been stated that there are rogue operators as well as rogues within the regulator.
On both sides of the fence, these problems will be sorted out.
As well as a Regulatory reform program, there is in fact a CASA reform program happening.
The astute will move with the program, the recalcitrant and the incorrigable will be exposed and excised.
Area managers have been empowered and will be accountable for the success of the purging.
Again, SF's use of the cryptic is necessary,
and those most directly affected within and without the regulator have no problems decoding the obvious.
We have seen Batman and Robin, Pinochio, The Banjo Player, Cookie Monster,
The Favoured Rum, Napolean and many others mentioned, maybe the Royal Commission will put actual names to the ethically challenged rogue element.
Henry, what has been exposed here may help prevent you from being a future victim of a rogue's whim in the future.
Sorry, the riddles and cryptic comment are to ensure that direct exposure of the offenders is restrained.
Stink Finger does not have a "gripe", just a normal desire for ethical behaviour by the public service salaried regulator.
This thread grew out of other threads and has kept the spotlight on some questionable behaviour by factions within the regulator.
Some area offices of the regulator have a rogue element that Bruce Byron intends to bring under control.
The rogue element of some offices are accustomed to the abuse of power,
including the bullying and harassment of it's own staff and the bullying and harassment of selected operators.
There are numerous examples of malfeascence (wilful and or neglectful misconduct) and of unethical conduct.
There is further evidence of malicious conduct, of vindictive conduct, of dishonest conduct
and conduct that a Royal Commission may establish to be both corrupt conduct and criminal conduct.
It is commendable that BB has directed that these embarrassing problems be rectified, and action has been initiated.
As has been stated by SF, three heads from above have rolled, although there are more to be found there,
and there are some heads to roll at the area office level.
It is BB's intent that the regulator is seen to be ethical, and employs people of unquestionable integrity.
It has also been stated that there are rogue operators as well as rogues within the regulator.
On both sides of the fence, these problems will be sorted out.
As well as a Regulatory reform program, there is in fact a CASA reform program happening.
The astute will move with the program, the recalcitrant and the incorrigable will be exposed and excised.
Area managers have been empowered and will be accountable for the success of the purging.
Again, SF's use of the cryptic is necessary,
and those most directly affected within and without the regulator have no problems decoding the obvious.
We have seen Batman and Robin, Pinochio, The Banjo Player, Cookie Monster,
The Favoured Rum, Napolean and many others mentioned, maybe the Royal Commission will put actual names to the ethically challenged rogue element.
Henry, what has been exposed here may help prevent you from being a future victim of a rogue's whim in the future.
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Agree with you on BW, a man with his integrity intact and an ethical professional.
Don't know where he is at present or whether he is still on the team.
JR was another past tlfo and respected individual.
AC will be well advised to study the record of previous AM's who may have been shafted by the present TLFO.
Those who fail to learn from the past are bound to repeat it.
If he doesn't, he will be just another victim.
By the way, notice closed doors and closed offices, any known results of these sessions?
Agree with you on BW, a man with his integrity intact and an ethical professional.
Don't know where he is at present or whether he is still on the team.
JR was another past tlfo and respected individual.
AC will be well advised to study the record of previous AM's who may have been shafted by the present TLFO.
Those who fail to learn from the past are bound to repeat it.
If he doesn't, he will be just another victim.
By the way, notice closed doors and closed offices, any known results of these sessions?
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Don't know about stinkie, haven't heard a thing.
Perhaps a little history may relieve the boredom.
In 1910, the evil Dr Crippen escaped with his partner on the liner "Montrose" to far shores.
The Captain of the ship became suspicious.
Alas, thanks to the efforts of Guglielmo Marconi, and some brilliant investigators, they were arrested and taken into custody on arrival.
In 2005, the evil Dr Crippen, still accompanied by his partner, is avoided by brilliant investigators,
and this time Guglielmo Marconi may be facilitating his escape.
This time the captain doesn't even know that Dr Crippen and partner are on the ship!
We live in interesting times, however, those who forget the lessons of the past are bound to repeat them.
So Stinkie, how about an update on the score?
Don't know about stinkie, haven't heard a thing.
Perhaps a little history may relieve the boredom.
In 1910, the evil Dr Crippen escaped with his partner on the liner "Montrose" to far shores.
The Captain of the ship became suspicious.
Alas, thanks to the efforts of Guglielmo Marconi, and some brilliant investigators, they were arrested and taken into custody on arrival.
In 2005, the evil Dr Crippen, still accompanied by his partner, is avoided by brilliant investigators,
and this time Guglielmo Marconi may be facilitating his escape.
This time the captain doesn't even know that Dr Crippen and partner are on the ship!
We live in interesting times, however, those who forget the lessons of the past are bound to repeat them.
So Stinkie, how about an update on the score?
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The trip will need to be postponed until a result has been actioned.
So far nothing has changed, no action taken against the offenders, so a trip at present would be embarrassing to all.
The trip will need to be postponed until a result has been actioned.
So far nothing has changed, no action taken against the offenders, so a trip at present would be embarrassing to all.
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Woomera, foxes and hares, thanks.
It is fairly quiet on the western front, there is a great deal of overseeing occuring.
To AM, you may have very few direct CAA/CAR privledges to neuter the resistance, Industrial Relations and Anti-Discrimination Legislation still apply in your work place and you are higher in the organisational structure, "you hold all the aces".
I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the lastest "apparent" RPT operator to FNQ:
Mr Rum Airways has been conducting revenue raising flights ( whilst employed by CASA, conducting charter flights that actually meet the requirments for RPT without an AOC, i am shocked).
Available to the general public, at fixed times, to and from fixed terminals for the past year or so, most recently using the IP aircraft, dep TL friday arvo for IFL, return Sunday.
"Rules are written for the obiedance of fools and the guidance of wise men, except if you are a corrupt little snake that works for CASA", good job !!.
It is fairly quiet on the western front, there is a great deal of overseeing occuring.
To AM, you may have very few direct CAA/CAR privledges to neuter the resistance, Industrial Relations and Anti-Discrimination Legislation still apply in your work place and you are higher in the organisational structure, "you hold all the aces".
I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the lastest "apparent" RPT operator to FNQ:
Mr Rum Airways has been conducting revenue raising flights ( whilst employed by CASA, conducting charter flights that actually meet the requirments for RPT without an AOC, i am shocked).
Available to the general public, at fixed times, to and from fixed terminals for the past year or so, most recently using the IP aircraft, dep TL friday arvo for IFL, return Sunday.
"Rules are written for the obiedance of fools and the guidance of wise men, except if you are a corrupt little snake that works for CASA", good job !!.
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Thanks for the history lesson, looked up Dr Crippen on the web, your facts regarding 1910 are correct.
Interesting stuff, especially the first use of radio to nail a crim.
Could not find recent mention of Dr Crippen, or Marconi, so not sure where you're leading us.
Stinkfinger, heard a rumour that the remaining two bastardised FOI's have finally left town.
Any truth in that?
What a terrible price those three paid to gratify someone's insatiable lust for power and control.
Careers ruined, lives ruined, family upheaval and the expense of having to relocate themselves and family.
Little wonder the remaining FOI's are scared S#$*less and do the evil that they are bid to do.
Shame, shame.
Thanks for the history lesson, looked up Dr Crippen on the web, your facts regarding 1910 are correct.
Interesting stuff, especially the first use of radio to nail a crim.
Could not find recent mention of Dr Crippen, or Marconi, so not sure where you're leading us.
Stinkfinger, heard a rumour that the remaining two bastardised FOI's have finally left town.
Any truth in that?
What a terrible price those three paid to gratify someone's insatiable lust for power and control.
Careers ruined, lives ruined, family upheaval and the expense of having to relocate themselves and family.
Little wonder the remaining FOI's are scared S#$*less and do the evil that they are bid to do.
Shame, shame.
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I'm going to stop dipping into this thread hoping it will one day make some sense!Can't make head nor tail of it.
Meanwhile, whatever is happening in Townsville, CASA employees in Canberra are walking around wondering if the latest restructure marks the end of a regulator entirely. They sure don't make good fellow passengers out of Canberra these days!
Does anyone know what is going on? Is there a grand plan or is Mr Byron intent on destroying CASA?
Meanwhile, whatever is happening in Townsville, CASA employees in Canberra are walking around wondering if the latest restructure marks the end of a regulator entirely. They sure don't make good fellow passengers out of Canberra these days!
Does anyone know what is going on? Is there a grand plan or is Mr Byron intent on destroying CASA?