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Hey LightItUP, speak for yourself! The last thing I want to see is mainline getting screwed. "The belief that only Qantas pilot can fly a jet" - What is this crap you speak? Most impulse pilots have been fairly humble, considering our good fortune. Why rub it in? As for the vote, I don't think anyone will be influenced by what is written here, so please refrain from your antagonizing threats.
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Please read the post again LGR. Never said I wanted to see mainline screwed either. I'm all for the one banner program and I would have thought I made that clear. Although you may have read some antagonization in that post that was not its intention. Each to their own...
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Common sense.........finally.
Thank God QF management had the good sense to employ an ex-Ansett A320 c.p. as the new PORNSTAR Chief Pilot.
Honestly, the way you guys act the bus would have bitten your swollen butts before you got your swollen heads through the cockpit door!!
Well at least he can employ a dozen or more ex A320 drivers to hold your little hands.
Don't worry, they don't have your massive egos or your little dicks.Oh and they don't park their Jet on the golf course!!
Honestly, the way you guys act the bus would have bitten your swollen butts before you got your swollen heads through the cockpit door!!
Well at least he can employ a dozen or more ex A320 drivers to hold your little hands.
Don't worry, they don't have your massive egos or your little dicks.Oh and they don't park their Jet on the golf course!!
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would these A320 captains have gotten their commands around the year '89, that will make it an interesting place to work, at least managemant will be able to get what they want.
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Hey Lets Go..?
Just a thought here. If indeed the last thing you want to see is mainline "screwed" as you so eloquently put it, then why are you impulse guys so readily doing the exact thing that you suggest that you dont want to do?
News flash. YOU ARE SCREWING MAINLINE DOMESTIC..! And at the same time taking a gigantic dump in the collective nest..!
There but for the grace of God, EP. Rather ironic post really. You talk in such an arrogant fashion, about the arrogance of others!
Just a thought here. If indeed the last thing you want to see is mainline "screwed" as you so eloquently put it, then why are you impulse guys so readily doing the exact thing that you suggest that you dont want to do?
News flash. YOU ARE SCREWING MAINLINE DOMESTIC..! And at the same time taking a gigantic dump in the collective nest..!
There but for the grace of God, EP. Rather ironic post really. You talk in such an arrogant fashion, about the arrogance of others!
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Conversation a mainline mate of mine had with a Nopulse captain while walking towards bull**** castle - aka Qlink admin building a few weeks ago.
Mainline guy dressed in civvies - asks question to captain Kremin of VQ - " you guys going to hire ex AN A320 guys to help"?
Answer from captain Stem of VQ - " nah, we don't need them, if we do, we'll hire them for 12 months, use them, then offer them a right seat job - if they don't like it they can F$#^ off"
Question to captian Yeager of VQ - " how are mainline guys going to factor in all this?
Answer from commander rod walloper - "well, we don't want the arrogance F^%$^wits in our operation"
So there you have it - straight from the horses mouth from one very matter of fact pilot that John West rejected.
The Airbus will bite these twits Proplever - it's just a matter of time, they know it - I wonder how much the training bill is going to be or blow out to, for a low cost operator - thats gotta hurt?
Mainline guy dressed in civvies - asks question to captain Kremin of VQ - " you guys going to hire ex AN A320 guys to help"?
Answer from captain Stem of VQ - " nah, we don't need them, if we do, we'll hire them for 12 months, use them, then offer them a right seat job - if they don't like it they can F$#^ off"
Question to captian Yeager of VQ - " how are mainline guys going to factor in all this?
Answer from commander rod walloper - "well, we don't want the arrogance F^%$^wits in our operation"
So there you have it - straight from the horses mouth from one very matter of fact pilot that John West rejected.
The Airbus will bite these twits Proplever - it's just a matter of time, they know it - I wonder how much the training bill is going to be or blow out to, for a low cost operator - thats gotta hurt?
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Guess you're right prop, its the pilots at fault here. QF would never have launched JQ as a greenfields operation. We came up with all this just to piss you off. Just love the control we exert over the Qantas group......its great ordering QF management around!! I suppose in my shoes, you & Pete would have quit by know, right. Gone back to GA?
Pair of angry, frustrated twats!!
Pair of angry, frustrated twats!!
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E.P., LetsGoRated
Great posts guys.
Absolutely p!ssing myself with laughter at the latest turn of events in the "Q" camp. Anybody with half a brain could see what G.D. was trying to do.
Hey Proplever, who died and made Q@NT@S pilots god! I know you all think you are skygods, because you passed some psych and skills test, but does that really make you better pilots?
I think not. It just shows that you can pass psych and skills tests!
I think you Mainline guys should make room for the impulse guys.
Oh, hang on a sec, looks like your management is doing it for you.
We wish you luck in your aviation career.
Great posts guys.
Absolutely p!ssing myself with laughter at the latest turn of events in the "Q" camp. Anybody with half a brain could see what G.D. was trying to do.
Hey Proplever, who died and made Q@NT@S pilots god! I know you all think you are skygods, because you passed some psych and skills test, but does that really make you better pilots?
I think not. It just shows that you can pass psych and skills tests!
I think you Mainline guys should make room for the impulse guys.
Oh, hang on a sec, looks like your management is doing it for you.
We wish you luck in your aviation career.
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Lets Go? Instead of your usual childish taunting (Very mature mate btw..) lets debate the topic.
Are you really seriously going to atempt to tell me that you impulse pilots have struck a blow for the common good of the Australian aviation community here? Are Australian pilots going to be collectively better off due to what you have done here?
Now don't go raving about GD this time and whether he forced you into it. We are both aware of what pilots were / are / should be paid. Have some backbone and tell me whether YOU did the right thing. Don't use someone else (aka QF management) as a scapegoat. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions, as am I. So answer my questions, please.
NG. Not a very rational post, mate. I have never stated that I am a better pilot, nor have I said anything about QF testing making me better. So don't put that on me, my friend. As I said to LGR, debate the topic. Not the man. Can you answer the questions above?
Are you really seriously going to atempt to tell me that you impulse pilots have struck a blow for the common good of the Australian aviation community here? Are Australian pilots going to be collectively better off due to what you have done here?
Now don't go raving about GD this time and whether he forced you into it. We are both aware of what pilots were / are / should be paid. Have some backbone and tell me whether YOU did the right thing. Don't use someone else (aka QF management) as a scapegoat. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions, as am I. So answer my questions, please.
NG. Not a very rational post, mate. I have never stated that I am a better pilot, nor have I said anything about QF testing making me better. So don't put that on me, my friend. As I said to LGR, debate the topic. Not the man. Can you answer the questions above?
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Let’s face it, the impulse pilots had a rather difficult choice, accept what was offered or have no job at all, and as some of them had been rejected by Qantas etc. the decision was not hard to make. We all know that Qantas mainline pilots would not have helped or cared remember what happened to the Southern 146 crews.
That fact that AIPA have supported the segregation of the regionals has also played into Qantas management’s hands, divide and conquer and Management took advantage of it.
I have to ask why are Qantas mainline pilots are so distraught over Impulse/Jetstar when National Jet (not owned by Qantas) have been operating Jets for years surely that has cost a few commands.
The few mainline pilots that believe they are better than the rest of us because they managed get through the Qantas interview process are not worth worrying about the interview process is floored and very subjective.
How to fix it, One union, One seniority list… and stop the BS! I’m better that you, That’s my job, etc
It might help if AIPA made some policy statements about the Subsidiary companies and their feeling about non Qantas pilots operating Qantas services. Qantas pilots are all pilots employed by Qantas and their owned subsidiaries.
That fact that AIPA have supported the segregation of the regionals has also played into Qantas management’s hands, divide and conquer and Management took advantage of it.
I have to ask why are Qantas mainline pilots are so distraught over Impulse/Jetstar when National Jet (not owned by Qantas) have been operating Jets for years surely that has cost a few commands.
The few mainline pilots that believe they are better than the rest of us because they managed get through the Qantas interview process are not worth worrying about the interview process is floored and very subjective.
How to fix it, One union, One seniority list… and stop the BS! I’m better that you, That’s my job, etc
It might help if AIPA made some policy statements about the Subsidiary companies and their feeling about non Qantas pilots operating Qantas services. Qantas pilots are all pilots employed by Qantas and their owned subsidiaries.
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You make some very good and certainly relevant points, Spin.
I'd submit to you that the reason that QF pilots are so upset about the Impulse / Jetstar pilot group is because they have suddenly and collectively realised that our pay and conditions are being severely degraded.
Yes, there was Jitcinnict, and prior to that NJS of course. But this has been the biggest blow yet, and everyone is now taking notice. Maybe the Impulse pilots are copping a little of that should be directed towards others, but the fact remains that they have undercut QF mainline, and the result will hurt our entire pilot fraternity.
Fixing it? Yes maybe consolidation of the pilot groups will help, but I feel that there is just too much animosity all round within them to make much of a difference.
I'd submit to you that the reason that QF pilots are so upset about the Impulse / Jetstar pilot group is because they have suddenly and collectively realised that our pay and conditions are being severely degraded.
Yes, there was Jitcinnict, and prior to that NJS of course. But this has been the biggest blow yet, and everyone is now taking notice. Maybe the Impulse pilots are copping a little of that should be directed towards others, but the fact remains that they have undercut QF mainline, and the result will hurt our entire pilot fraternity.
Fixing it? Yes maybe consolidation of the pilot groups will help, but I feel that there is just too much animosity all round within them to make much of a difference.
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One Union Yes. One Seniority List? I dont think so. I didnt apply to Coles Supermarkets only to be awarded a spot at Meyers Department Store - if you get my drift.
Jetstar, Impulse etc, whilst part of the QF Group, are separate entities. Why does that give them rights into QF's seniority?
I am not saying they shouldnt have the means into QF or a better chance of selection for QF - (if they would even want to work their now), but that is a bit odd working for one company only to get on anothers seniority list!!!!!!
(This whole Seniority issue is a Union Bandaid Fix for a Major F-up the Union made years ago)
Furthermore, whilst the QF skills and pysch test cause much debate to their actual worth, people in impulse have failed this test - now this certainly doesnt make them bad pilots or bad for QF, but rightly or wrongly it has set a minimum standard for QF to cull applicants - so surely it will be discrimination against all other applicants who have failed the QF Skills and Pysch Tests if one group can now get in, yet another can't.
Jetstar, Impulse etc, whilst part of the QF Group, are separate entities. Why does that give them rights into QF's seniority?
I am not saying they shouldnt have the means into QF or a better chance of selection for QF - (if they would even want to work their now), but that is a bit odd working for one company only to get on anothers seniority list!!!!!!
(This whole Seniority issue is a Union Bandaid Fix for a Major F-up the Union made years ago)
Furthermore, whilst the QF skills and pysch test cause much debate to their actual worth, people in impulse have failed this test - now this certainly doesnt make them bad pilots or bad for QF, but rightly or wrongly it has set a minimum standard for QF to cull applicants - so surely it will be discrimination against all other applicants who have failed the QF Skills and Pysch Tests if one group can now get in, yet another can't.
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If we actually had just the one employment standard for the entire QF 'group' then why not go with the one seniorority system? It would certainly ease the angst. The individual airlines can still pick whichever person they want but at least we know that EVERYONE has passed the same standard of entrance. Date of joining seniorority wins. The pilots (and by that I mean AIPA) control the seniorority list, not the company. We can put the PM on the list if we want to. He still has to pass the QF entrance stuff though! 
We've done it before when we had 'protected' humbers for the regional guys and gals (about '95/'96) and we can do it again!
We've done it before when we had 'protected' humbers for the regional guys and gals (about '95/'96) and we can do it again!