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Ceannairceach 1st July 2011 16:54

Profits of £106.1m, up from £78m last year - yet the company are scrimping and saving on staff costs and using the economic climate as a thinly veiled excuse.

The lies and spin emitting from the company at the moment are nothing short of an insult.

DC10RealMan 1st July 2011 18:30

President George W Bush said "You can fool some of the people all of the time and thats the people you want to concentrate on" perhaps that is the mantra of the management negotiators.

Scot Cabin 1st July 2011 19:37


President George W Bush said "You can fool some of the people all of the time and thats the people you want to concentrate on" perhaps that is the mantra of the management negotiators.
They certainly fooled some of the ATCOs.....well, the majority of them actually.

ZOOKER 1st July 2011 23:38

Mr. Mills has done very nicely for himself there. Is that for bringing in EFD on time?

Ceannairceach 2nd July 2011 09:09

It's for taking on "extra responsibilities" apparently, Zooker.

SR71BlackBird 2nd July 2011 10:23

If the dividend payout was 6% instead of 8% (which is still a very good %). that would free up £10m for pay rises.

Scot Cabin 2nd July 2011 18:17


Does that choice of username make you feel cool?
SR71Blackbird, I wouldn't reply to that if I was you, he might "take a screenshot" and "report you" to Lockheed's security division, or the CIA or something like that.

Gonzo 2nd July 2011 19:19

SR71, The thing about pay rises is that it's not just £10m this year, it's every year in perpetuity.

SR71BlackBird 2nd July 2011 21:52

That's why they are so important.

hangten 3rd July 2011 14:05

And that's why £10m won't pay for them... :ugh:

Ceannairceach 3rd July 2011 14:34

You say that like there's no money for them anyway?

Fargo Boyle 3rd July 2011 22:36

So we should never have a pay rise in case the company makes a smaller profit next year?

Me Me Me Me 4th July 2011 10:38


So we should never have a pay rise in case the company makes a smaller profit next year?
This is exactly the issue.

The company continues to drive efficiencies to save costs - not to survive, but in order to increase profits and pay larger dividends.
Employees should not be fooled into thinking they should accept less in order to help keep the company afloat, protect difficult airport contracts etc... There is clearly significant enough profit margin being made to allow a deal to be driven on those contracts without it coming out of the employees' pockets.

don't believe the hype, believe the facts shown in black & white in the accounts.

DC10RealMan 4th July 2011 14:36

I had the great good fortune to be speaking to some of the lazy and greedy ATSAs who man the London FIS yesterday. Their frequencies were extraordinarily busy and they appeared to be working for hours on end like one armed paper hangers and yet all done with great professionalism and courtesy.

Scot Cabin 11th July 2011 19:22

Any news on what's happening with ATSS's negotiations. It's all gone very quiet....?

Roffa 12th July 2011 16:59

The Chief Executive's blog has said there is no more money available...

Ceannairceach 12th July 2011 19:18

It must be true then.

DC10RealMan 12th July 2011 22:20

"Well, he would say that wouldn't he"

Mandy Rice-Davies
Profumo Scandal 1963

ZOOKER 12th July 2011 22:36

Ah, but who will be the modern-day 'Christine Keeler'? :E
And which ATC unit will provide the chair? :}

Frank Disclosure 13th July 2011 16:05


The Chief Executive's blog has said there is no more money available
No idea what the ATSAs are planning but rumour is unless we get parity with the flip-flop brigade the engineers will be looking at an overtime boycott and a work to rule.

Maybe a few weeks of flow will persuade Richard to look down the back of the sofa.


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