Sounds to me like a rock-solid case for 'independent scrutineers' to oversee the ballot. Just like they used to, using the anonymous '2 envelope method'.

Ah well ....... better dig my -"Ladybird Book of Clouds"- out of the loft.

And the result of the pay ballot is........

TURNOUT 83% .TURNOUT 78%

When are PCS results due?

Lassie, that's a bit harsh? We were told by the union that the only way that we would have to do Met was if both PCS and our local Prospect Reps agreed that we would do it. ie We won't be doing Met until PCS wish to give it up and then only until FAMOS is up and running.

Regards, ADIS

....and one spoilt paper.

Prob the mad Ulsterman at Brizzle.... ;-) :ok:

Disappointing, the end of 'One NATS'.

As usual the controllers can't see further than grabbing the next £, management win again.

Weren't we using the AV system then?:confused::E

Greed and selfishness prevail.

PCS results in by Friday and the result announced on Monday, however early rumours are that they are being counted as they come in and it is looking like a "NO" vote.

No. It's a real terms pay cut.

Correct. A large no. of staff do the ATSA community absolutely no favours with their apathetic approach to work. People need to wake up and stop wondering when their next EG or hour long tea break is; otherwise they'll end up with the longest tea break they've ever had.

No. It's the unequal treatment and erosion of T&C's that's unpalatable.

Or just maybe Yahoo there are people out there who still care more about the safety of the travelling public than the almighty Dollar.

Id offer you some of my backbone but there appears to be a bloody great knife sticking out of it.

Every year T&C will be whittled away and that vote was so easy for the company I wouldn't be at all surprised if they came back for a very early renegotiation of the Pension MOU.

After all - what have they got to lose, throw a few thou down on the table, job done. Bonuses all around. :ok:

So are these ATSAs who are reading books or taking breaks failing to perform their allotted duties? Is it their fault that their duties are being whittled down bit by bit until only very core tasks remain which do not take up all of their time?

Most controllers I know get bored very quickly with low traffic levels. How do you think these ATSAs feel with so little to do? They read a book to alleviate mind numbing boredom. How can they be criticised for that?

There are ATSAs now working up to 3.5 hours without a break. When did you last do that.....:ugh:

Sorry but you'll have to remind me what exactly was whittled away in this deal?

250kts
May be a reference to the loss of pensionable overtime. Incidentally, it's only a 'loss' for those in the last few years before retirement. For the rest it's actually a financial gain.


As the the ATSA book-readers, mind numbing boredom and the cheek of PCS members to reject a lesser deal than their Prospect colleagues: I'm a PCS member; I'm not an ATSA; I've had to take on a load more work due to huge staff cutbacks in my area; I dont work 3.5 hours without a break, I work 7, 8, or 9 without a break at times and I've yet to get an early-go in 13 years with the company. I earn a very modest salary in comparison to most of the Swanwick boys and girls but I feel no less deserving of a proper cost-of-living rise in my pay.

Do you work in my department? ;)

BD

Without wishing to revisit old arguments there are considerable differences between working H24 shift operational positions and working in offices on a regular weekday 9-5 pattern.

That is why I personally object to non operational staff voting on operational/shift issues, especially as most seem to have your attitude and will vote for the company line every time with no understanding or caring as to how this will affect others. Being operational, I would not expect to vote on issues concerning the great administrative empire down south.

Well for ATCO's - nothing.

For everyone else (should their deal be accepted) - pensionable overtime, lower pay for some grades and the demarcation of traditional PCS tasks now being done "cheaper" by ATCOs. The cynic in me can't help thinking that all of managements so-called efficiencies (aka degradation of T&Cs)are drawn from PCS grades and yet the ATCOs get the RPI+ pay deal.

Rocket Science

I think you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head; as soon as all 3 sections of union agreed to go down the route of individual negotiation (and all 3 did agree to do so), then equal pay offers were off the cards.

As soon as it came to negotiate anything other than core pay, then of course the company is going to put different values on different aspects of duty.

Asking ATCOs to vote 'NO' to their individual pay offer to support ATSAs or ATCEs is actually tantamount to secondary action.