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Atc applicant 13th July 2018 00:58


Originally Posted by hansfalkenhagen (Post 10168083)
I am not sure if there are any "changes" as such to the testing. But the type of questions for each domain MIGHT change. For instance, one could study spatial tests with 3d cubes (because they used these in the test on the applicant's first attempt) only to end up with a different spatial test using rotated shapes, if that makes sense.

If you're not aware already, the tests involve verbal reasoning, numerical reasoning, numerical calculations, spatial reasoning and checking tests. On successful completion of this, you will be invited to complete the OPQ (occupational personality questionnaire). To my understanding, you will only go to the assessment centre if you pass both the Online Ability Assessment and OPQ.

Feel free to PM me and I'll link you some of the sites I am doing practice tests with.

Hi can you please suggest some sites for practice test. Cheers

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kusinka 13th July 2018 01:24


Originally Posted by jazzycab (Post 10194731)
No email, but I received a call, brief phone interview and off to the assessment centre at the end of the month. How did everyone else go?

It is wonderful news :D Good luck for the assessment centre! As previously stated, gotta brush up on some speed/time/distance formulas

Chopz 13th July 2018 08:29

Airservices
 
I didn't get through either.

​​​​​​Pretty gutted considering I was apparently at the next stage.

Good luck to everyone who has made it to the next stage.

Vandelayy 13th July 2018 09:32


Originally Posted by jazzycab (Post 10194731)
No email, but I received a call, brief phone interview and off to the assessment centre at the end of the month. How did everyone else go?

What were you asked during the phone interview?

jazzycab 14th July 2018 04:37

Thanks CapnCoastie, kusinka and Chopz. Sorry to hear that some have missed out, hopefully you can be successful in the future. The Assessment Centre testing sounds a little daunting...


Originally Posted by Vandelayy (Post 10195682)
What were you asked during the phone interview?

They basically just asked why I'm interested in aviation and working for them, then organised a time for the assessment centre.

mikewil 14th July 2018 22:00

I don't mean to sound like a sore loser here, but does anyone else get the feeling that this intake was a sham?

Something gives me the impression that this was a tiny intake of very few candidates where in comparison to previous intakes, only a tiny percent progressed beyond the online testing.

Looking over previous intakes through this thread, it seems that there are large numbers being invited to the assessment day and this time, only a couple. It is also odd that they had an intake barely 6 months from the last, when previously they have been every 12 or 18 months. It is also bizarre that they gave only 48 hours to do the test and have seemingly invited candidates to the assessment day without even doing the OPQ test.

I feel as if I have wasted a chance by applying for this sham intake rather than one of the 'proper' ones they have done previously.

Chopz 15th July 2018 06:15


Originally Posted by mikewil (Post 10196838)
I don't mean to sound like a sore loser here, but does anyone else get the feeling that this intake was a sham?

Something gives me the impression that this was a tiny intake of very few candidates where in comparison to previous intakes, only a tiny percent progressed beyond the online testing.

Looking over previous intakes through this thread, it seems that there are large numbers being invited to the assessment day and this time, only a couple. It is also odd that they had an intake barely 6 months from the last, when previously they have been every 12 or 18 months. It is also bizarre that they gave only 48 hours to do the test and have seemingly invited candidates to the assessment day without even doing the OPQ test.

I feel as if I have wasted a chance by applying for this sham intake rather than one of the 'proper' ones they have done previously.

Yeah, I get that feeling too.

For some reason there was no OPQ? There was a telephone 'interview' when that was actually taken away. It seems it was a wasted opportunity for most people.

The problem I have is that Airservices Australia will have a !!!!eload of people applying. I don't think it's matters to them how much of a sham the recruitment process is. Considering that it seems so many don't make it through the training academy that they would actually look at their recruitment process.

Chopz 15th July 2018 06:16

Forgot to add they have progressed people who haven't actually even completed the phone interview even.

​​​​​It's pretty bizarre.

AKorol 15th July 2018 08:03

Hi All,

First of all, well done Jazzycab on your offer to attend the training centre.
I also got a call on the 12th of July asking me to attend, but unfortunately due to my state with work at the moment I can't (doing it in the September intake instead)
I don't remember having to do an OPQ, so I'm assuming the interview on the day will work determine your personality?
The lady I spoke to said there were over 2000 applicants, so to get an invite to the assessment centre was never going to be easy (I think only 50 odd make it that far, as previous posts hint that only 10 or so people get invited per day?).

jazzycab 16th July 2018 03:16


Originally Posted by AKorol (Post 10197029)
Hi All,

First of all, well done Jazzycab on your offer to attend the training centre.
I also got a call on the 12th of July asking me to attend, but unfortunately due to my state with work at the moment I can't (doing it in the September intake instead)
I don't remember having to do an OPQ, so I'm assuming the interview on the day will work determine your personality?
The lady I spoke to said there were over 2000 applicants, so to get an invite to the assessment centre was never going to be easy (I think only 50 odd make it that far, as previous posts hint that only 10 or so people get invited per day?).

Thanks AKorol, best of luck for your assessment day.
I heard similar numbers in terms of applicants and assessment centre invitees.

Vandelayy 16th July 2018 04:18


Originally Posted by AKorol (Post 10197029)
I also got a call on the 12th of July asking me to attend, but unfortunately due to my state with work at the moment I can't (doing it in the September intake instead)

Will also be doing it in September as I'll be overseas during this months. Might see you there :).

I forgot to ask when I was on the phone, did she happen to mention if they're readvertising in September making the assessment centres likely in October/November or if the centres are definitely running in September?

AKorol 16th July 2018 22:08

Assessment Centre
 

Originally Posted by Vandelayy (Post 10197678)
Will also be doing it in September as I'll be overseas during this months. Might see you there :).

I forgot to ask when I was on the phone, did she happen to mention if they're readvertising in September making the assessment centres likely in October/November or if the centres are definitely running in September?

Hi Vandelayy,

Good work too!!!
She called this the July intake, so I’m going to crudely assume that the September intake will have their testing day first week of October.

AKorol 17th July 2018 01:14


Originally Posted by Vandelayy (Post 10197678)
Will also be doing it in September as I'll be overseas during this months. Might see you there :).

I forgot to ask when I was on the phone, did she happen to mention if they're readvertising in September making the assessment centres likely in October/November or if the centres are definitely running in September?

Hi Vandelayy,
We were a part of the July intake, so the testing for the September intake by deduction should be the start of October.
More than happy to bump into like minded people!

AKorol 18th July 2018 02:36

September intake dates released, week starting Monday 17/9 (I'm on the Monday).

Vandelayy 18th July 2018 02:37


Originally Posted by AKorol (Post 10198519)
Hi Vandelayy,
We were a part of the July intake, so the testing for the September intake by deduction should be the start of October.
More than happy to bump into like minded people!

Just got a call and booked my day in for mid September. I'm surprised as to how fast everythings moving even with a delay on my end. All the best with your assessment day!

ThirstyVessel 18th July 2018 14:54


Originally Posted by Vandelayy (Post 10199274)
Just got a call and booked my day in for mid September. I'm surprised as to how fast everythings moving even with a delay on my end. All the best with your assessment day!

Can I ask what your guys' profiles said for the last week? Mine just says 'application update' but I haven't heard one way or another yet..

AKorol 18th July 2018 22:33

Application Update
 
Hi ThirstyVessel,

Mine says application update (possibly because I booked in an assessment centre time yesterday over the phone but now I’m waiting on an email link to come through this week to confirm and get further details etc.) I didn’t check my profile last week because I was under the impression it took them ages to inform people they reached the next stage, so it came as a surprise when I got the call. Sorry if that doesn’t really help you and all the best,

Andrew

Vandelayy 19th July 2018 00:18


Originally Posted by ThirstyVessel (Post 10199689)
Can I ask what your guys' profiles said for the last week? Mine just says 'application update' but I haven't heard one way or another yet..

Mine always said application update, but when you click on 'view application' it had additional info

jazzycab 19th July 2018 10:37


Originally Posted by Vandelayy (Post 10199274)
Just got a call and booked my day in for mid September. I'm surprised as to how fast everythings moving even with a delay on my end. All the best with your assessment day!

I think mine previously just said application update, but has now changed to application update - invited to assessment centre

Vandelayy 19th July 2018 11:09


Originally Posted by AKorol (Post 10199272)
September intake dates released, week starting Monday 17/9 (I'm on the Monday).

I assume you picked your day over the phone? Did you receive an email afterwards?

AKorol 19th July 2018 13:27

Day
 

Originally Posted by Vandelayy (Post 10200419)
I assume you picked your day over the phone? Did you receive an email afterwards?

Hi again,

Yes I picked it over phone, they said they’d send me email confirmation by the end of the week, so I’m expecting it tomorrow

ThirstyVessel 19th July 2018 14:26

I ended up getting a phone call today to come to the assessment day so it seems like the 'application update' doesn't mean that much. Even when I go into view application, it doesn't have any more info.
I guess the only update you don't want is 'application outcome' by the sounds of previous threads

AKorol 19th July 2018 22:22

Good Work!!

What a roller coaster of emotions you would have been going through! I’m assuming September dates?

Vandelayy 20th July 2018 08:13


Originally Posted by AKorol (Post 10200534)


Hi again,

Yes I picked it over phone, they said they’d send me email confirmation by the end of the week, so I’m expecting it tomorrow

Yeah ditto. Didn't get anything today though. Maybe it'll come when the days we chose are all booked up or something.

ThirstyVessel 20th July 2018 10:53

She's said that they're sort of reserving the Monday and Friday for interstate people as much as possible. So melb peeps and I'm assuming nearby East coasters would be getting calls this week and next? I dunno..

AKorol 20th July 2018 14:38

Would make sense, I’m from Perth and they offered me any date I wanted (Monday)

Ansible 23rd July 2018 10:08

Good evening peeps.
Was part of this discussion some time ago but have been otherwise engaged for some time now.

I've been invited to the assessment centre in September, as I now see, have a lot of other people here.
Does anyone have any good idea or resources that might help in preparation for the Assessment Centre?
I'm going to have to fly into Melbourne for this, and even though it's two months away I'm nervous as hell. Would love any tips from anyone who's sat the day in the past.

Good luck to everyone :)

AKorol 24th July 2018 04:27

Hi all,

Received my confirmation letter yesterday (Monday),
I'm interstate (we got first preference) so I'd expect you guys to be receiving yours sometime this week

msage1993 24th July 2018 11:20

I'm from Victoria and only got a call a few days ago regarding an invite to the assessment centre, and wasn't offered the monday so it seems that they are offering the monday to interstate candidates.
Is it really true that as little as 50 candidates would have been selected from the 2000 that applied?
Has anyone been to the assessment centre in the last 12ish months, would be good to get some relatively fresh idea of what the day consists of!
I'm also surprised at how quickly I heard back regarding the invite, I was expecting a long wait, also no OPQ so I'm not really sure what is happening!

phlegm 27th July 2018 03:52


Originally Posted by Ansible (Post 10203813)
Good evening peeps.
Was part of this discussion some time ago but have been otherwise engaged for some time now.

I've been invited to the assessment centre in September, as I now see, have a lot of other people here.
Does anyone have any good idea or resources that might help in preparation for the Assessment Centre?
I'm going to have to fly into Melbourne for this, and even though it's two months away I'm nervous as hell. Would love any tips from anyone who's sat the day in the past.

Good luck to everyone :)

I was invited to an assessment centre about two years ago so I can shed a little light on it.

It's a pretty fun day, very full on but all the staff assessing you are really approachable and knowledgeable. They're all trained controllers.

First, know you are ALWAYS being assessed. You'll have downtime in between tasks, but there is always at least one member of staff there to talk to. So talk to them! Heaps of the other candidates there on my day would just sit there in silence which I think is a pretty poor look. The assessors are also very sneaky, for example at one point I was in the waiting room with only one staff member there (all the other candidates had other assessments), so I had a chat with her for twenty minutes. My next assessment was my panel interview. The HR person comes in and calls my name and, sure enough, the staff member I've been chatting to stands up as well, walks with me to the room and commences the interview. They started the interview before I realised it was happening!

You need to meet a minimum standard in every assessment criteria. This was my undoing, I got excellent marks in all areas except one. It was the the "simulation exercise", which is actually an A3 piece of paper with a runway on it and some toy planes and firetrucks for you to move around. They make you memorise a set of rules and then throw problems at you for you to solve. What I did not expect is that the assessors will actively try to sabotage you by suggested solutions that breach the rules you were meant to memorise, so if you follow their advice you will fail. I got every one of my scenarios correct but it just didn't occur to me that they would suggest failing solutions, so I allowed them to trick me twice before realising what they were doing, but it was too late. What you need to do is be confident and assertive and deny them if they suggest that you breach a regulation.

Obviously, do some more practice cognitive tests, including quick arithmetic. You're going to be tested on all that on the day.

Good luck!

TRI223 29th July 2018 09:44


Originally Posted by phlegm (Post 10207299)
I was invited to an assessment centre about two years ago so I can shed a little light on it.

It's a pretty fun day, very full on but all the staff assessing you are really approachable and knowledgeable. They're all trained controllers.

First, know you are ALWAYS being assessed. You'll have downtime in between tasks, but there is always at least one member of staff there to talk to. So talk to them! Heaps of the other candidates there on my day would just sit there in silence which I think is a pretty poor look. The assessors are also very sneaky, for example at one point I was in the waiting room with only one staff member there (all the other candidates had other assessments), so I had a chat with her for twenty minutes. My next assessment was my panel interview. The HR person comes in and calls my name and, sure enough, the staff member I've been chatting to stands up as well, walks with me to the room and commences the interview. They started the interview before I realised it was happening!

You need to meet a minimum standard in every assessment criteria. This was my undoing, I got excellent marks in all areas except one. It was the the "simulation exercise", which is actually an A3 piece of paper with a runway on it and some toy planes and firetrucks for you to move around. They make you memorise a set of rules and then throw problems at you for you to solve. What I did not expect is that the assessors will actively try to sabotage you by suggested solutions that breach the rules you were meant to memorise, so if you follow their advice you will fail. I got every one of my scenarios correct but it just didn't occur to me that they would suggest failing solutions, so I allowed them to trick me twice before realising what they were doing, but it was too late. What you need to do is be confident and assertive and deny them if they suggest that you breach a regulation.

Obviously, do some more practice cognitive tests, including quick arithmetic. You're going to be tested on all that on the day.

Good luck!

Phlegm and those who are attending assessment centres;

What have you described is the old assessment centre simulation activities and while I understand you would not know this, the assessment centre is completely different from years past and does not include the mentioned simulation. The new simulations have been developed over the last year or two and are a thousand times better to assess with when compared to the paper simulations. I don't know any further details about it, so please don't ask - I simply do not know.

And Phlegm, with that, I'd seriously urge you to re-apply if you've been thinking about it. The way Airservices do their assessments are completely changed and may be exactly what you need to prove you can do the job.

To everyone out there - the best way to prepare for the assessment centre is to work on your interviewing skills. Go pay for a lesson or two on interviewing and questions answering and you will be more confident and much better spoken on the day. The simulations cannot be studied for and for good reason.

Best of luck to all.

TRI223

AKorol 31st July 2018 00:00

Assessment centre is running this week, hopefully someone sheds a bit of light on how it goes :)

kmat 1st August 2018 09:43

Hey guys! I completed the assessment centre day this week! It was a really fun day...! and I have to say the same as what others have already said... there is nothing you can do to prepare. The testing is common sense stuff and they want to see how you react in certain situations... I personally feel the tests are designed in such a way that you can’t ace it or get 100%, instead it feels like the want to understand your logical thinking processes and see how far you get before dropping out etc.

As for how I went...? They said nothing on the day and said will contact us over the coming few weeks with the outcome :)

AKorol 1st August 2018 21:51

Testing Day
 
Glad to hear it’s fun Kmat,
Goodluck!

andy1011 2nd August 2018 02:50

Thanks for providing some insight. Did they tell you what the start date is for the current successful applicants? I have asked every time I have been in contact with Airservices but not received a direct answer other than a few months.

hohoisme 2nd August 2018 04:03

Hey Guys I have completed the assessment centre day in this week too. It's a fun day and all the assessors are very nice and friendly! However, half of our candidates on that day including me got sent home at about midday. So I am wondering if it's good or bad news, because I was expecting some more tests during the day. I personally think it's not a good news as we didn't have panel interview etc. Is there anyone else who had similar situation? And good luck to all those people who made into assessment centre, it's a great achievement already to walk that far. Good luck to all!

kmat 2nd August 2018 07:08


Originally Posted by andy1011 (Post 10212380)
Thanks for providing some insight. Did they tell you what the start date is for the current successful applicants? I have asked every time I have been in contact with Airservices but not received a direct answer other than a few months.

nope nothing.

Vandelayy 2nd August 2018 23:20


Originally Posted by hohoisme (Post 10212405)
Hey Guys I have completed the assessment centre day in this week too. It's a fun day and all the assessors are very nice and friendly! However, half of our candidates on that day including me got sent home at about midday. So I am wondering if it's good or bad news, because I was expecting some more tests during the day. I personally think it's not a good news as we didn't have panel interview etc. Is there anyone else who had similar situation? And good luck to all those people who made into assessment centre, it's a great achievement already to walk that far. Good luck to all!

Seems odd. I've been reading a couple different forums and also know someone who's actually gotten the job before and never heard of that happening. Maybe the process is entirely different now to previously.

How many people attend the day?

Ansible 3rd August 2018 11:40


Originally Posted by kmat (Post 10211811)
I personally feel the tests are designed in such a way that you can’t ace it or get 100%

Hmmm... sounds like the Kobayashi Maru -_-

kmat 8th August 2018 22:18


Originally Posted by pilotwings (Post 10218004)
Has anyone who attended an assessment centre last week heard anything yet/ had their assessment status updated?, Been the longest week of my life.

Hi pilotwings,

I was at the assessment centre last week and also haven’t heard anything. No call, email or application status update. You’re right about it being a long week!


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