SERCO Baghdad
 

Anybody have info on the ToC's for Serco's new ATC contract in Iraq?

8 weeks on two weeks off. 180$. Remember vest outside the base.

I think I'll stay put!

Serco
 

$180 means what exactly ?

Are they after ex mil or civil controllers for the jobs ?

Watsa matter Guy? No sense of adventure?

;)

$180k pa?

Unbelievable! They need to at least double that IMO - unless they are planning on recruiting from places where controllers are usually paid in nuts or something:eek:

Well.... if it's tax free, and if accommodation and meals are supplied, and if the rotation is good.. then it's not bad.

If you've worked as an "ex-pat" ATCO you know that the above are what make or break any particular contract.

And if you think $250K in Europe, North America, Oz, etc is better than $180K tax free (with accommodation), you need to study accounting...

Sam

Unless you are employed by Eurocontrol and you pay virtually no tax! (Ok, you do pay a tiny bit..but that's just peanuts if you compare with any other European ANSP)

It's better if you don't get shot at / blown up.

And if YOU think that $180k in IRAQis better than $250k in ANY of the other places you mention (even with taxes), you need to get your head out of the accounting books and take a look around. Need to be a lot more dollars involved.
Plus all the other things you mention (roster etc.) are ****e.

@sam asama:

If you think $180k tax free in Iraq is better than $250k with taxes somewhere else in the world then you need to take your head out of the accounting books and join the rest of us over here in the real world!

I would fully expect food and lodgings on that Serco contract - but that will be crappy food in the 'Green Zone' hmmmm sounds luxurious!

$180k US p.a. tax free = €134,000 (approx).

Im two year qualified in a N. Europran area control centre and take around €85,000 NET per annum (or $113,000 US) - many of my more senior colleagues who have family and marriage allowances and are further up the pay scale DO take around the $180k pa mark.

IMO, I just cant see Westerners giving up everything and moving to Iraq for either a slightly higher (or maybe even equivalent) salary - the general consensus in our OPS room when this package was discussed was that Serco dont have a chance in hell with guys like us - BTW I appreciate fully that they may be happy to recruit from quieter centres around SE Asia etc where this package probably compare well.

Aside from all that the roster as posted above is absolute crap.

To get me, or an equivalent controller in to this job they need to be offering something along the lines of:

-$400k + pa tax free with free food and shelter
-6 months on, 3 months off (or better)
-Protection within the green zone.

Baghdad for $180k p.a - not in my lifetime!:}

Serco Baghdad
 

Short Approach reports:

"8 weeks on two weeks off. 180$. Remember vest outside the base."

Mind if I ask where this info came from? To my knowledge, Serco hasn't even advertised this outside of the company.

I ask this because I've heard more than one salary figure being bandied about - the same with the leave entitlement as well.

I'm just looking for something definitive, that's all.

Oh yes they did:

Air Traffic Control Officer - 1401045026 - Flight Jobs

Thanks for that – I check Flightglobal fairly regularly, but perhaps not as regularly as I should.

I was specifically asking about Short Approaches statement of the salary and leave entitlement, and where those came from – did they come from a reliable source, or was it coming from a friend of a friend of someones nephew . . . ?

As I said, I’ve heard more than one salary bandied about, and am just looking for something definitive (if that’s possible).

Worked there in 2003 for approx AUD $150K tax free (food, uniform, accommodation, medical, kevlar, automatic weapon and ammunition included). One of the area radar consoles was my bedside table. :ok:

Granted, things have probably changed a lot since then, however, I would want substantially more than $180K tax free to work there again. Night life was a shocker.:sad:

Does anyone have any current information on living conditions and facilities within the Airport compound?

Beg me pardon guys, but didn't Mr. Obama say they are retrieving ALL troops till the end of 2011? The offered contract is for one year starting with April 2011. I don't think it is very funny to stay behind when coalition forces are gone! :=

CV

Ummm....is that just American troops? The coalition isn't just the US (although they often think so!) and never convinced the Obama and US circus is ever talking about the rest of the world, after all we have been left behind before...as we were in Somalia!

Just wondered... :rolleyes:

Well, the main forces are American, British and Polish. I don't think that the others will stay behind wenn Uncle Sam is leaving to face the upcomming mess. And i don't think it is good for health to sit on Bagdhad tower like a turky at thanksgiving surrounded only by iraki troops.

serco baghdad
 

news around the centre today is that Serco is having trouble filling the Area positions originally advertised and obviously the APP positions now coming up in April.

additionally it was rumoured that a salary of 170,000 GBP was quoted, which equates to around $257,000 AUD, but not sure if that is all up including the travel allowance they pay every time you go on your 2 week R&R, which appears to be about every 8 weeks or so.

accommodation within the airport perimeter could be dodgy and possibly similiar to the accommodation in the Kabul Airport military zone... 2 in a pseudo container.

anyone with further information to be able to clarify these and other items and who have had recent contact with Serco, it would be appreciated if some items could be clarified please, including the roster.

you can PM me if you like.

cheers

hotspot:ok:

Hotspot....I have the info you require but can't seem to pm you. Perhaps you could pm me and I'll send a reply..... Jaye

If you know it, why don't you just tell us?

Hi, could someone either post or Pm me with the package details for area Baghdad, lots of rumours! Thanks

Thanks for that, IMHO that's very disappointing in just about every way, but it seems to suit some. Hope my buddies out there will be safe.

BaghdadKiwi,

I didn't post the details because I thought PPRUNE'rs liked salary details etc communicated via PM.

The details I have are the same as you published - I'm due to start soon so the info is current.

You enjoy the work out there?

Cheers!

f@CK me,

You must be mad - are you sure a lobotomy wasn't on the pre-requisite qualification list too??:}

200kish for Baghdad - I bet Serco cant believe their luck!

BeT
 

I don't usually respond to trolls, but in your case I shall make an exception.:ugh:
You sir, are an idiot...or to be slightly kinder, just young and inexperienced.

You have the good fortune to be employed in Eurocontrol...petty much the cushiest number in world aviation.
To abuse people who, for reasons totally unknown to you, have decided to work in Baghdad, is simply puerile.
If you have been knocked back for the job because you lack experience and you are bitter, then get over it.
If you don't want to work there, why post on the thread at all? Seriously, why?
I would hazard a guess and say that the vast majority of controllers in Baghdad are VASTLY more experienced than you are, and have worked more traffic than you ever will if you work until you are 70 in your present location.
If you think I am disparaging the Euro zone traffic count, think SoCal, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, UAE...think about that for a moment or two. Then go and sit in the corner and be quiet whilst the adults discuss matters.

End of rant. I feel better now....:E

...think SoCal, Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, UAE...

One of these things is not like the others,
one of these things just isn't sane.

UAE on par with ATL or ORD. I needed a good joke :)

ISRT - out

diver, me ole mate
$200000 per annum doesn't seem a lot when you consider that UAE ATC supervisors get approximately the same remuneration.
However, to be fair, in the UAE you do have to pay your own rent but then you don't have to wear a flak jacket and the UAE life style is a tad more enjoyable.

ISaidRightTurns is correct when he says: "UAE on par with ATL or ORD. I needed a good joke:)"

EINN to ORBI. A big jump!

Best of luck:ok:

...ISaidRightTurns is correct...

ALAS! VICTORY IS MINE!!!

ISRT
 

work out traffic count divided by number of controllers...then come back to me ;) And you were right...SoCal is an approach unit ;) One of those things wasn't like the others:E

Verci....actually it has been a jump from cold and wet to....you guessed it, cold and wet!
As a supe though...you are much less likely to get fired here.

Hi Duck
the last published figures for the UAE ACC are for May 2010 and show a daily average movement figure of approx 1750 per day, i.e. 638750 per annum max.

Last time I spoke with the ex head of the New York Tracon he mentioned that they had been handling 2.4 million movements per annum while the London TMA had been handling 1.2 million movements per annum.

Wet and cold = ideal conditions for a pint of Guinness.;)

Re fired meaning to lose one's job as opposed to being fired (at)!, I would agree with you there.

Keep the head down and good luck.

Cheers:ok:

Workload and Movements are related but two distinctly different measurements.

Give a controller a RADAR longitudinal separation standard of 40NM and a 2000FT vertical separation standard (not approved for RVSM) and adjacent FIRs who don't like you and therefore won't talk to you let-alone help you, coupled with equipment that is less-than-reliable... and then you'll understand the workload comparison. It has little to do with Total Movements.

Balad ACC does not have the "luxury" of Air Traffic Control that controllers in the West take for granted.

Quokka

Nail, hammer, hit.:ok:

I interviewed for the approach/tower positions and was told that the salary is $170,000 US, rotation was 10 weeks on with 2 off with travel bonus, and that you would live on the airport somewhere.

Compare this with my last contract in Afghanistan where we were rocketed or mortared weekly, Bagdad would be almost like a vacation spot, so I know if I receive an offer I'll accept.

verci
 

Ask your mate how many staff London and NY have would you? From my memories of UAE...we didn't have too many lying around, and a dozen of them were in the training school :)

Check your PMs.:eek:

Last Serco Baghdad advertisement has disappeared from flightglobal, apparently the offered contract has been good enough.

Still on Canso with Real Time Consultants.

The last I heard was that Serco was looking for controllers for the Bagdad contract that were current in Radar Approach which eliminated me since I hadn't worked approach in the past year, I've been tower only since I retired.