What local interests? There is NO GA / Corporate aviation in Iraq.

And GLEX's / G5's have been visitors to the country.

New flightglobal ad...

Air Traffic Controller job with Serco Middle East Erbil, Iraq:

Air Traffic Controller with Serco Middle East

:)

Hi Guys!!
 

I am a newbie here....so just passing by to say Hello! :-)

Well...I spent almost an hour to read this thread carefully from the first post....Serco/Baghdad project is still on the go according to my humble info sources. Either you believe it or not i would be ready to apply, no second thought....more than 10 years experience as an ATCO military-civilian mix...in my home country salary is 1200 Euros a month and getting worse...12 months of my life in exchange of approx. 200.000 USD is a a hit and go for me....or even better if SERCO after succesful completion of the 12 months duty could give to "suicidal" types like me a better job offer at a more quite and civilized place of M. East.
Generally looking for an ATCO job in the "sandpit" region and any help or advise would be highly appreciated. I hope farell or any other with some good connections could PM me.

Thank you guys :-)
I am happy that found you, its nice to see pros that are sharing the same concerns, problems with you. I intent to stay at this forum ...
like this place :-)

I watched the kindly provided video of Baghdad Hilton.......(much more carefully than first time)... I only would like to add my 2 cents....it is apparently obvious that all things is a matter of point of view and..."reality" is rather subjective. We had two guys working and living at the same enviroment having two completely different views.... after watching the video didnt see something that cannot live with if they pay me 200K plus a year...in my part of the world...thats a lot of money...and no....I dont live in a Third World country :-)

I hope to find an ATCO job in a better place but if i end up in Baghdad wont be the end of the world.

Have a nice day to all!!

Update on serco and jobs etc?
 

G'day all,

Just wondering whats happening out in the sand? Is serco staying? are there still jobs etc?

cheers

SERCO is hiring in Baghdad
 

SERCO's contract has been extended. They just have not worked out the details. There was a job opening announcement in flight global in the last week for permanent ATCO's for Baghdad.

ATC
 

Can you tell me if there is any truth to Serco not hiring prior military for the ATC jobs in Baghad?

Prior Military = OK
 

We have plenty of ex-Military from many countries working in Baghdad. SERCO will not hire controllers that have only Military ATC experience. You must have Civilian ATC experience. I think 5 yrs. Civilian experience is the minimum, but the more the better. You also need 5 years OJTI experience. The requirement for civilian ATC experience is a directive from the host country. This is not a SERCO originated requirement.

As you guys are still out here-what´s this "new procedure" that the Tower does not allow our helicopters to fly south of both runways (even when taking of from SouthMike)?

Copters in the way?
 

The reason, with no commentary - It is believed that copters departing south into on coming jet traffic that is landing to the North is unsafe. I know,I know.

I was looking at the Serco Iraq announcement.

What is the difference between Approach Radar (APR) and Approach Procedural (APP)? These must be UK/Euro terms.... In the US we are either:

1. Approach Control (aka TRACON)
2. Enroute Centre (aka Area Control or ARTCC) or
3. Tower (aka ATCT)

We don't have anything called APR or APP. Thanks.

APP - Approach without radar i.e. using procedures for separation. It requires a large forehead, a sharp pencil and a bit of Jedi mind trickery.

"This isn't the VOR you're looking for...."

Approach Radar (APR) and Approach Procedural (APP)
 

Approach Radar is the standard Radar approach Control like you would find in the states. The approach Procedural rating is a non radar course rating.

Thanks for the clarification Knuckles....I'm guessing I won't be coming to Baghad as I only have about 4years civilian and no OJTI....27 years military. Ah well.....

Contract extension
 

Any update on the extension talks? Heard it isn't going as well as expected. Also, are you guys finally working a decent schedule? Did you ever get the promised 6/4 the other Serco contracts have?

6/4
 

last word is that everyone with a deadline of 31 Dec will be extended until the numbers for the new contract are worked out. We have never worked a 6/4. We get a sleep day after the mid and then a day/night off.

6/4
 

So when you get off the mid is the remainder of that day classified as your sleep day? Then you get one more day off? Sounds like you're really only getting one day off.

Not a lot of fun and nowhere to go of a Saturday night!:{

6/4 pt2
 

When you get off a mid, you have the rest of that day and night off - your sleep day, and the next 24 hours after.

You forgot to add......."staffing permitting" :rolleyes:

Contract
 

I see Serco is now advertising for Academy Instructors but not ATCO's. What's the latest on the contract that was supposedly extended?

Contract extension?
 

The contract has not been officially extended. Nothing has been signed. The contract will continue with the hopes of a longer contract signed effective around 1 Apr 2013. There is supposed to be a short extension from 1 Jan to 31 Mar 2013. But nothing has been signed as of yet. There is higher up Iraqi support for a contract, but numbers and services have yet to be agreed to.

What has Serco been doing for two years?
 

Interesting reading;
http://www.icao.int/MID/Documents/20...rd-12/WP10.pdf

Lots of continued promises from the ICAA (Serco). Most surprising is that it has taken two years to institute SMS?? If its even been completed??

No wonder the Iraqi government is dragging their feet on resigning with Serco.

What has Serco been doing for two years?
 

A lot of nothing.... :sad:

Two Years continued
 

Doesn't Serco have an AIS Manager in Baghdad? Just took a look at the latest AIP. Two years and they are still not AIRAC compliant!! What the heck have they been doing? The document is also chock full of outdated and incorrect information. Very unprofessional and a sad reflection on Serco's contribution to the rebuilding process. I'm sure WCG and others are waiting in the wings to pounce when the ICAA wakes up and discovers they have been duped and Serco sails off into the horizon.

two years continued
 

Sheer incompetence in that department. Again you ask what have they been doing? I hear they have a nice bar...

You think it's bad from the outside, try working there..:ugh:

Haven't seen it from the inside but a few ex co-workers have and one is still there. We all know there is only one reason controllers stay there and it's not because Serco is such a great people company. It sounds like they are more concerned about sucking up to the ICAA than looking after their own people. Also, they preach safety but if the stories are true about them turning a blind eye to the locals use of electronic devices while working a position, they will have a lot of explaining to do in front of a judge when the big one happens. Serco in the Middle East is famous for talking a good game but producing weak results. The next few months will be interesting to watch as they struggle to maintain their presence in Baghdad. I feel for the guys and gals who might lose their $200,000.00 contracts.

SERCO,

You are pathetic................

Two month extension
 

Wow - check's in the mail, it's a done deal.

I wouldn't be purchasing anything on time payments.

SERCO
could be behaviour like this cost them the Abu Dhabi contract!:uhoh:

Verci...
 

So...umm, you haven't posted the Serco Baghdad Management teams personal details up here yet!? :rolleyes:

We have a long reach from over here as well bro as you would have found out, how about you go and build a really big sandcastle over there on that beach of yours and go and play in it and leave the adults to do grown up stuff! :hmm:

New contract?
 

Was Serco able to negotiate a new Baghdad contract? The two month extension is almost up.

As of yesterday not yet.Expires Sunday night so Monday morning could be interesting.:E

New contract
 

So what's the word? Signed, sealed and delivered?

Area guys
 

Has anyone got any info reg Serco takes area controllers for Baghdad? There was an advt in Serco website few weeks back..

Dysim Manager
 

Looking at the job description begs the question - how did the incumbent get the job? She must be very talented!

Sandyweazels, me 'ole China
just noticed your post dated 29th January.
Perhaps what they need is some Karma, I'm told he is very good (?) at matters pertaining to contracts.:eek:

Cheers me 'ole :ok:

Apparently not - they were advertising (yet again) for that position recently, with PANS OPS procedure design experience. I submitted an EoI some time ago through a firm of consultants/recruiters for the position, but got no acknowledgement , nada, not a sausage ...

Need contacts
 

I receive a proposal from Serco to AIS Manager in Baghdad, however I didn't take any decision. Anyone could help me in get in touch with some staff working in BIAP? I need to know the conditions of accomodation and specially the security conditions there.

Chipmunk,
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