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garry82 22nd Aug 2013 04:52

hi

i have done my online test today.any one knows how much times it will take to get my results. i have read somewhere that they provide the results straight after you finished test which does not happened in my case so bit scared.

thanks

Clear2Land78 22nd Aug 2013 16:27

When I tested here in the US, I was not given any results. And even if you think you did terrible, you prob did better than you think.

Sixchecked 26th Aug 2013 11:50

I did the online test and I had no idea if I did Well enough... It took about a week to receive an email with the result... Good luck guys and gals...

mvac 27th Aug 2013 08:34

hey all,

where specifically is the assessment center located in Sydney?

thanks

missy 27th Aug 2013 13:09


where specifically is the assessment center located in Sydney?
Normally at North Sydney

jimbob615 28th Aug 2013 21:10

Hi all,

Does anyone here have a copy of the USB files that were given to you before you started your course? And if so, would you mind sending me a private message? Cheers :)

le Pingouin 2nd Sep 2013 11:51

Public holidays (which don't count against rec leave), and between Christmas and New year usually with a few days either end. Aside from that leave is accrued but you probably won't get a chance to take any for some time.

Brisbane Centre is physically a mirror image of Melbourne.

mvac 3rd Sep 2013 12:53

What is the success rate for people who apply and are successful to attend the assessment centre?

ferris 3rd Sep 2013 14:23

Do you mean the success rate for people who apply and are successful to be invited for interview? Or do you mean the the success rate for people who apply and are successful, then successful at interview? Or do you mean the the success rate for people who apply and are successful at assessment centre then successful at interview, are successful at completing the course? Or do you mean the the success rate for people who apply and are successful at assessment centre then successful at interview and are successful at completing the course, are successful at field sim? Or do you mean the the success rate for people who apply and are successful at assessment centre then successful at interview and are successful at completing the course and are successful at field sim, successfully get a rating? Or do you mean those that successfully get a medical, and then keep it every 2 years?

AusTurbofan 4th Sep 2013 02:48

For those that have done the SHL testing and got through, how well did you go with the test to get through to the next stage?

shags_j 4th Sep 2013 02:48

RUTH JONES: Jimboomba to brisbane airport is one hell of a drive. I wouldn't want to do that each day.

On the plus side the times that we have classes in brisbane are kind of outside of peak hours so you may be ok.

Either way, look forward to meeting you in Brisbane. Best of luck.

Cheers,

Shags

shags_j 4th Sep 2013 07:09

I received my study materials about 12 months ago ;)

I am nearly finished my course in Brisbane and wasn't sure if you knew how far you would be driving. You'll get your materials close to the starting (I got mine 2 week's before my starting date). It will have starting time etc in your pack.

Re; your medical try and get your doctor to do the form electronically. If they won't then make sure call Casa and tell them the story and continue to hassle them until you get it.

Best of luck.
Cheers
Shags

Ralph Revnut 4th Sep 2013 08:01

Gidday All...

Anyone heard anything following the recent assessment days?

Haven't heard anything myself yet, and it might be nice to get an update...

Cheers!:ok:

mvac 4th Sep 2013 09:50


Do you mean the success rate for people who apply and are successful to be invited for interview?
That was the better version of my question. Is there any stats on the quoted?

le Pingouin 6th Sep 2013 17:13

Relaaaaax Ruth! Don't sweat the bookwork - there might be a lot of it but it's not complex stuff. Yes you need it so learn it well, but the hard bit is pulling it all together and that's largely down to aptitude, not bookwork. Knowing the bookwork makes the simulator a lot easier, as the less you have to think about routine stuff the more time you have to think about solving problems.

Age does make a difference to you as an individual - at 33 you'll find it harder than you would have at 23, but the thing to remember is you're being measured against a standard. You at 33 may very well be better suited than the 23 year old sitting next to you.

As Shags says, keep on CASA's back.

Forget about the idea of a "diploma". That's just part of the accredited training organisation thing and is irrelevant to the reality of becoming a controller. You're attending lessons and simulator sessions Monday to Friday on a largely fixed schedule. Everyone progresses through the course at the same rate so the academy part of the course is the same for everyone. It also means there is limited scope to catch up.

The diploma isn't awarded until you gain a rating, hence the variability. Different sectors take varying amounts of time to gain a rating (some are more complex than others so varying training times are required) and your field training has to be fitted in with the training requirements of the group you're assigned to (simulator and training officer availability, other training commitments).

You will most definitely use what you learn in the academy out in the field. Exactly which aspects you use will depend on the group and sector(s) you're assigned to in the field (radar, procedural, DTI and various mixes). The academy provides you with a basic skill set that is built on in the field.

le Pingouin 6th Sep 2013 18:52

mvac, no specific stats are published. They keep telling us there are plenty of applicants so I'd guess it's (well) under 10% percent. You're being measured against a standard not each other.

shags_j 6th Sep 2013 23:38

Ruth; le ping is right. You need to relax. There will be plenty to worry about later ;) in the meantime enjoy all this. It is actually quite a lot of fun.

And btw I am 33, there is someone older than me in my course and in the course below is they are all older than that. I'm sure you'll be fine.

stevep64 7th Sep 2013 13:23

Ruth,

Don't worry too much about the pre-study stuff. There were people on my course that got theirs at the beginning of the course. I think the material got distributed as a result of feedback from new trainees a couple of years ago saying it would be nice to have an idea of what we'll be learning. It won't make a jot of difference once you start your training. It's the stuff you put on the thumb-drive once you get there that will help.

As others have said, don't stress. Even though I didn't get through the training, it's the best job I've ever had.

le Pingouin 7th Sep 2013 21:56

The "bookwork" I was referring to was the stuff you'll get taught while on course. That's what you'll need to know well. By all means have a look through the pre-course stuff but don't study it. I think you'll find there is far too much to want to print it all!

Barefoota 8th Sep 2013 01:17

shags_j... The person you mentioned that is older than you on course, I've actually heard looks younger and is better looking!!! :cool: lmao

shags_j 8th Sep 2013 01:47

Don't sweat the course work. You will need to do some study of course but it's not really bad. We had a 34 year old woman in our course with no aviation background and if she can get through it then anyone can.

Class sizes are between 8 and 12 and Brisbane is a great place to be. You get to know the instructors well.

Don't sweat being in an information black hole. Once you get here you will get all the info you need. Doubt sweat out and just play what's in front of you ;)

stevep64 8th Sep 2013 01:49


Is it like being back in high school listening to lectures all day?
I thought of it more like uni tutorials. You won't be just sitting there listening to an instructor rambling on. There are three two-hour classes per day, but you'll also have the occasional field trip.


Do you get homework or assignments?
No homework or assignments, but you will need to study.


What style of tests are there?
They're a mix of multiple choice and written. The pass mark is 70%, although I seem to remember a couple of them might have required 80% There's at least one, quite often two, exams per week once you get past induction.


Is it permissible to take notes on iPad etc during class?
It was when I was there a year ago.


Realistically, how many hours should I expect to spend studying each night?
I was averaging about 2 to 3 hours per night, especially before an exam, and also studying on weekends. My average mark throughout the theory component was about 90%

I left the academy almost a year ago, so some things may have changed since then. I'm one of the old farts that didn't make it through the sim part of the course.

razzy 8th Sep 2013 09:56

Hi All,

I'm scheduled to attend the full day assessment at the Melbourne centre on the 16th of August. Is there anyone else who has it on the same day?

I wanted to know a few things that have been at the back of my head since the beginning of the assessments. As I understand the entire duration of the course is the probation period, where a candidate's progress to the next stage of training is dependent on them passing the evaluations and exams that keep taking place. The 5-year bond though, commences once a trainee finishes off the full training and starts off as a controller at their assigned location. However, if one hypothetically does not manage to achieve the required standards during the training period, how does it work then?

- Are a fixed number of chances given to the individual to improve?
- Are any additional lessons or additional assistance provided to them to help them achieve the required standards?
- If the individual is unable to meet the standards, do ASA ask them to leave the course?
- If so, can one apply after 12 months, or is that exit for good?
- In the case of such an exit, is the trainee liable to pay any penalty to ASA?

I apologise if these questions sound inane, but I really do want to know this before I get into the deep end.

le Pingouin 9th Sep 2013 08:03

No rating, no bond. It's not aimed at cost recovery but as a disincentive to leaving for greener pastures overseas before your five years are up. If you are terminated (or leave of your own volition) during the training there is no financial penalty.

There is also a probation period after gaining the initial rating.

If you fail to meet the standards you could be terminated or you could be re-coursed (starting again on a subsequent course).

Basically you need to pass each phase of training to proceed - you have an exam, a supplementary if required and failing that means you're shown the door. Resources and time are limited so there is scope for some additional assistance but not a huge amount.

Sorry, don't know about coming back for a second bite.

shags_j 10th Sep 2013 00:48

EDIT: incorrect information

pop4 10th Sep 2013 14:24


Originally Posted by mvac (Post 8027853)
What is the success rate for people who apply and are successful to attend the assessment centre?

These figures may be slightly out of date, but as far as I know, a bit over 1% of applicants for the job actually make it though to the academy.


Originally Posted by stevep64 (Post 8036819)
They're a mix of multiple choice and written. The pass mark is 70%, although I seem to remember a couple of them might have required 80%

Once again, the my info may be slightly out of date, but the pass mark was 70%. Out in the field, it's 80%, and I do remember there were discussions for a push towards making the pass mark at the academy 80% to align it with the field.

sunnySA 10th Sep 2013 14:39


Out in the field, it's 80%
Wrong, less than 80% is a fail, more than 80% but less than 100% is a provincial pass, you MUST get 100% by what is called "oral top-up". You will be shown your incorrect responses/answers and must explain the correct response/answers.

pop4 11th Sep 2013 14:37


Originally Posted by sunnySA (Post 287595)
Wrong, less than 80% is a fail, more than 80% but less than 100% is a provincial pass, you MUST get 100% by what is called "oral top-up". You will be shown your incorrect responses/answers and must explain the correct response/answers.

I stand corrected; *looks at ATS-MAN-0015*.
The overall pass is 100%, minimum acceptable initial response is 80%.

Woody-ATC 15th Sep 2013 23:45

Next phase on the 2013/2014 ATC Controller applications
 
Good day,

Just wanted to know if there is any helpful info on the telephone interview and type of Sim scenarios that we go through. I have mine coming up on Tuesday. About as ready as can be. Hitting the books, internet as hard as I can to try to get a better understanding of it all. Any help appreciated. Also would like to know if there are any other forums on the 2013/14 intake. This one used to be very lively with the potential candidates exchanging ideas and hype. Seems to have fizzled out a bit. Hopefully will pick up again.

Thanks in advance.

shags_j 23rd Sep 2013 01:58

Really need a sticky topic on this alone since it gets asked every 2 weeks

willadvise 23rd Sep 2013 06:50

I tried to get a mod to sticky my FAQ but got no response from the mods. I kinda lost interest in it after that.

stevep64 23rd Sep 2013 10:44

Put it up as a new thread Will, they might do it then, especially if everyone adds comments in support.

Ruth Jones 1st Oct 2013 13:04

Ok, there are 7 in total on my course starting Tuesday, thank goodness I'm not the only girl on my course!
If my classmates happen to be reading this , I look forward to meeting you all next week!

sunnySA 1st Oct 2013 13:24

Ruth, good luck, remember, work together as a team as all can pass and conversely all can fail. There is no quota, it is based on meeting (and hopefully exceeding) the minimum standard.

varonny 1st Oct 2013 15:10

Hi Ruth!

I'll be in your class. I'm glad I'm not the only woman.
Looking forward to meeting you!

Carolyn.

Sidneylloyd 1st Oct 2013 15:30

Good luck Ruth! Let us know how you get on!

I'm currently sitting post-assessment day, waiting for a response. About two weeks past and I'm hoping it won't be too many more. Is that response a call or email?

varonny 2nd Oct 2013 04:44

Sidney, it took about 3-4 weeks for me to hear back after my assessment day. I got a call to say that they were getting in contact with my references. Good luck!

Watermelon, good luck! Hopefully it will come through ASAP! I managed to get mine done in a few days. There's only 7 in the course (it looks as though someone has dropped out) so I'm sure everyone's hoping to get you in!

I haven't heard about the next Brisbane course, sorry. Good luck, and hopefully see you on the 8th!

razzy 2nd Oct 2013 07:35

I have my assessment day in Melbourne on the 16th of this month. Anyone here who I might meet there?

To all those whose course begins soon, good luck and try to keep us posted about how it goes! :ok:

Totalunit 2nd Oct 2013 11:51

Re:Next Brisbane Course
 
Hi all,

The next Brisbane course ( after AB88 which starts next Tuesday) won't be until the about June/ July next year.

Good luck to you girls and guys starting next week in BN.

Allegory 5th Oct 2013 05:40

Thank you to everyone who has posted in this forum, it has been really helpful and informative.

Does anyone have any information about the course dates they will be wanting to fill with successful applicants from the upcoming October assessment days in Melbourne?


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