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Don't know much about the application forms or where they go? I would imagine they would be in heavy demand in the not too distant future though from what I hear
However, I have heard that Edmonton and Toronto are their priority at the moment, but if you push, they may be willing to offer alternatives.
Good luck if you apply X-S
However, I have heard that Edmonton and Toronto are their priority at the moment, but if you push, they may be willing to offer alternatives.
Good luck if you apply X-S
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Hi xray,
I have the info on direct entry to NavCanada. Send me an email - [email protected] and I can probably help out.
I have the info on direct entry to NavCanada. Send me an email - [email protected] and I can probably help out.
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Does anyone know if they require highly trained, highly motivated (soon....12 hours here we come!!) engineers that have a good knowledge of all you great UK ATCOs and how you work? If so, answers on a postcard to me!!!!!! Edmonton would be good. Also I'm great at bull sh!t!!!
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Dick Everest
The top increment (11 years in increments) willing to work his/her overtime max allowable ASSUMING THAT SUCH OVERTIME IS AVAILABLE (48 hours a week averaged out to a "normal" working week ) can earn UP TO £62K (£41K base pay).
You can buy a kilo of "AAA" prime cut steak for £7 (and no "madness") and 24 beers for£14k (345ml bottles).
The Canada/UK highway appears strictly "one way".
You can buy a kilo of "AAA" prime cut steak for £7 (and no "madness") and 24 beers for£14k (345ml bottles).
The Canada/UK highway appears strictly "one way".
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Xray-specs,
The move to Canada could quite possibly be one of the best you will ever make. If you ask him nicely, The Crimson Fruitbat may even expand on why it's so great to be in Canada. Quite apart from the fantastic beer, fabulous women, amazing skiing and scenery the dollars for performing ATC aren't bad either.
The one hurdle you may face however, and is worthy of further research, is the issue of immigration. Having decided early last year I would like to perform ATC in Canada and follow in the esteemed footprints of the Fruitbat, I put the immigration process into action. That was April last year. Just this week I have received a letter from the good folk at immigration Canada requesting my passport and more pictures. In other words the immigration process can be quite lengthy and there are no guarantees they will accept you. There is a points system they work on which if you don't meet or exceed then it can be difficult to qualify.
Nav Canada too can be a little difficult to communicate with and you really have to push them to get a hearing on your experience and qualifications. I freely admit my experience is relatively low coming up on six years, however I know of others with far more experience who had to jump through a lot of hoops to get tested by Nav Canada.
Having said all that though, it is not impossible as the Fruitbat will attest. My plan now is to take my immigration back to Canada some time next year and apply to Nav Canada from the 'inside'. I feel a great deal of resistance will be removed if I do it that way.
Good luck if you decide to move. It can be a trying experience getting there, but once in Canada you may decide never to leave.
Cheers, G
The move to Canada could quite possibly be one of the best you will ever make. If you ask him nicely, The Crimson Fruitbat may even expand on why it's so great to be in Canada. Quite apart from the fantastic beer, fabulous women, amazing skiing and scenery the dollars for performing ATC aren't bad either.
The one hurdle you may face however, and is worthy of further research, is the issue of immigration. Having decided early last year I would like to perform ATC in Canada and follow in the esteemed footprints of the Fruitbat, I put the immigration process into action. That was April last year. Just this week I have received a letter from the good folk at immigration Canada requesting my passport and more pictures. In other words the immigration process can be quite lengthy and there are no guarantees they will accept you. There is a points system they work on which if you don't meet or exceed then it can be difficult to qualify.
Nav Canada too can be a little difficult to communicate with and you really have to push them to get a hearing on your experience and qualifications. I freely admit my experience is relatively low coming up on six years, however I know of others with far more experience who had to jump through a lot of hoops to get tested by Nav Canada.
Having said all that though, it is not impossible as the Fruitbat will attest. My plan now is to take my immigration back to Canada some time next year and apply to Nav Canada from the 'inside'. I feel a great deal of resistance will be removed if I do it that way.
Good luck if you decide to move. It can be a trying experience getting there, but once in Canada you may decide never to leave.
Cheers, G
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Crimson,
I would like to know what pay scale you are working off. Working on a current currency conversion table, what you quote in the British pound doesn't exist on the NAVCanada pay scales as their top increment. (41000 BP = CAN$99000). And 62,000 British pounds equates to about CAN$149500. That's alot of overtime. Don't think so!
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I would like to know what pay scale you are working off. Working on a current currency conversion table, what you quote in the British pound doesn't exist on the NAVCanada pay scales as their top increment. (41000 BP = CAN$99000). And 62,000 British pounds equates to about CAN$149500. That's alot of overtime. Don't think so!
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The 1999 Collective Agreement can be found here. Way down near the bottom you'll find a listing of salaries. It is in Word format, however.
Of course, the Union is currently working with NavCanada on a new agreement as this expired a year ago.
Hope that helps out a little.
Of course, the Union is currently working with NavCanada on a new agreement as this expired a year ago.
Hope that helps out a little.
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As an example from Beldin's link to the agreement (now lapsed but currenly being re-negotiated):
[I]Toronto ACC 1st increment: $82K Canadian (Ai-05-Operational+YZ OFP)
Toronto ACC 11th increment: $106K Canadian (Ai-05-Operational+YZ OFP)
Now only the Ai-05-OP bit counts in the overtime calc (not the OFP)
Beldin gets around $2500 less a year in OFP at YVR ACC (are you ACC?) but lives in the most picturesque and civilised part of the country 
[I]Toronto ACC 1st increment: $82K Canadian (Ai-05-Operational+YZ OFP)
Toronto ACC 11th increment: $106K Canadian (Ai-05-Operational+YZ OFP)
Now only the Ai-05-OP bit counts in the overtime calc (not the OFP)
Beldin gets around $2500 less a year in OFP at YVR ACC (are you ACC?) but lives in the most picturesque and civilised part of the country
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Beldin, if you work YVR Tower or will eventually get to YVR Tower, you probably have one of the best views in the ATC world. And, you get the same OFP as YEG, YQM, YWG ACCs etc.
Million $$ views, six figure salary and plane spotting, ya gotta be happy with that!!!
Million $$ views, six figure salary and plane spotting, ya gotta be happy with that!!!
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Madge
ATOS = Air Traffic Operations Specialists (employed by Nav Can, as are Flight Service Specialists).
Probably best to contact Nav Can....I know nowt about their recuitment.
Probably best to contact Nav Can....I know nowt about their recuitment.
