canada

[The Crimson Fruitbat]

Don't get so worked up its not good for your health - close eyes and breath deeply or have a valium and a little lie down. I was posting accurate information to promote discussion and you for some reason wish to take me to task for it from your first response(??). However, I did proceed to wind you up but I didn't think you'd freakin "lose it" - sorry about that (I have edited all my posts).

Ai-05-Operational+YZ OFP

Ai-05-Operational (bottom increment = $65, 876) + YZ OFP ($16,406) = $82,282

There are THREE Ai-05 pay scales: Operational, Non-operational and Supervisory.

I am not going to respond any more on this topic, nevertheless, good luck with your applications the more staff the better.

Good night

[Scott Voigt]

Actually, since I knew what the pay scales were prior to hiring up, I find it fair. No one cheated me, I knew what I was getting into prior to signing up...

regards

[canberra]

canada, where i experienced the same temperature in celsius and fahrenheit for those of you who dont know thats -40! canada where you can drive 100 miles and see one car, unlike britain where we can drive 1 mile and see a hundred. no im not knocking the place just remember that even though they speak english(except for quebec) and have the same head of state as us its not quite the same as the uk . though in the main i found them to be more polite than us, but i was annoyed not to see a mountie in a red coat! the red jacket is for ceremonial only, unlike what the guy in due south wears!

[son of koko]

Stomper, e-mail me at my profile; I should be able to help you out.

[1261]

Scott; out of interest - how do you and your colleagues in the US view NavCanada?

[Scott Voigt]

1261;

I can just go by what some of our friends to the north have said about NAV Canada. Probably over half of the folks that we have talked with would leave NAV Canada if given a chance. They are not at all happy with thier employer...

regards

[BAeBulldog]

Having made the move across the Pond myself, admittedly in search of a better standard of living, I find I haven't been disappointed. Even having taken a pay cut, I have been pleased with how far my GBPs went at first. And the whole cost of living out here in Canada is SO much cheaper. So definately NO regrets.
But one thing NATS and NavCanada have in common : Privatisation= the end of the good 'ole days, lack of funding and extremely disgruntled and disillusioned employees.
I am amazed with how many similarities there are between the 2 companies, so for all you would be ship jumpers..........make sure the reason for your desire to move over is for quality of life outside of work, and expect much of the same AT work

[noknead]

Please explain......

I'm reading all these items with interest. I downloaded the agreement (thanks Beldin) and have been through quite a bit of it. It looks like our old agreement from days gone by in Australia pre EBA. Could someone please help me out and explain a couple of things?
1. What exactly is the difference between an "Operating" and "Non-Operating" employee.
2. Can someone please translate the different Classifications (AI-01 to AI-05)? I don't have Article 32 (or whatever it is) handy for a quick reference
I am a looking to move north and I need as much info as I can get.

Thanks

[ex-EGLL]

Operating emplyees are:
Air Traffic Controllers (and Controllers in training) in Centres, Towers and Terminal units.

Team and shift supervisors in Centres, Towers and Terminal units

Data Systems Co-Ordinators (DSC)

Unit Operations Specialists in Towers.

So by exclusion Non-OPS are the rest, e.g. Instructors at the National School, Specialists at Head Office, Unit Operations Officers at Centres.

Basically (with the exception of DSC's), if you speak to real planes you are operational.

Grades:

AI00 is a training grade
AI01 quiet towers
AI02 less quiet towers
AI03 "normal" towers
AI04 busier towers
AI05 All centres, Ottawa Terminal Unit busy towers (YVR, YYC,YYZ,YUL)

Hope that Helps

ex-EGLL

[noknead]

???

Thanks!