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Hey 7Hulk. I thought maybe the land of the sand had gone to you head and you'd forgotten about us
Then again, you've probably been on leave 
What you say is true, and it's never going to change unless something is done about it. Was there ever any headway made about changing ATC status as an essential service? That'll get the okes at the top nervous!
Then again, you've probably been on leave What you say is true, and it's never going to change unless something is done about it. Was there ever any headway made about changing ATC status as an essential service? That'll get the okes at the top nervous!
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Amazed
I was going through some old threads and found this comment.
Made 26th May 2006 by Makeapullup.
"We don't do the rumour thing here in sunny SA.
2010 thats still far away, who needs a plan!
cheers"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Who'd have thought the same response would apply, 3 years later and just over 1 year before it kicks off.
Gotta love it!
Made 26th May 2006 by Makeapullup.
"We don't do the rumour thing here in sunny SA.
2010 thats still far away, who needs a plan!
cheers"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Who'd have thought the same response would apply, 3 years later and just over 1 year before it kicks off.
Gotta love it!
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Hey guys!
So, back to the original subject; any news on what's going on staff-wise? Only people leaving and no new ones arriving?
What about the lease of Europeans, any word on that?
So, back to the original subject; any news on what's going on staff-wise? Only people leaving and no new ones arriving?
What about the lease of Europeans, any word on that?
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Hi again - I heard from a large hairy birdie that ATNS and an ANSP in EU were finalizing the details to the rumoured "lease" - the ANSP's Union stepped in and reminded her members of the IFATCA by-laws instructing members to not enter into talks with ANSP's who are having management-staffing issues. Rumour had it that as a result the interested ATC's withdrew their interest...
Just a rumour of course...
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Just a rumour of course...
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Yup, I'm afraid I heard something similar.
It seems the company takes it's one foot out just long enough to get the other in.
At the moment we seem to have the FIFA world cup as a yard stick, which isn't a bad thing. But now with less than 400 days to go the longer it's left without an actionable solution, the more dire it becomes. Exponentially so!
It seems the company takes it's one foot out just long enough to get the other in.
At the moment we seem to have the FIFA world cup as a yard stick, which isn't a bad thing. But now with less than 400 days to go the longer it's left without an actionable solution, the more dire it becomes. Exponentially so!
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On the lighter side
Anyone heard the one about the ATSA's thats sitting at home(2months),earning a salary of course,because they have not signed contracts with the company yet. Some dispute with the ATA.
Even if we got staff,we don't have staff.
Even if we got staff,we don't have staff.
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About that rumour
Sounds like a really big hairy birdie to me...
So, what is the view of the SA:n union when it comes to the possible "lease" of foreigners? Are they definitely, under all circumstances, against it?
So, what is the view of the SA:n union when it comes to the possible "lease" of foreigners? Are they definitely, under all circumstances, against it?
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The other rumour...
About those Danish ATCOs that supposedly have signed up. Any truth to that rumour? Anyone knows?
Wasn´t there Danish ATCOs in SA the last time as well and, as I understood it, it didn't turn out that well and everyone left again? Is that true?
A lot of "????????????????"
Wasn´t there Danish ATCOs in SA the last time as well and, as I understood it, it didn't turn out that well and everyone left again? Is that true?
A lot of "????????????????"
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I don't know anything about the previous Danish atcos in SA, but this time around there are 4 approach controllers going, all destined for Johannesburg.
Porra
Why don't you tell is which union got the better of its members and got the ansp to withdraw from the lease? Is it a secret?
I don't know anything about the previous Danish atcos in SA, but this time around there are 4 approach controllers going, all destined for Johannesburg.
Porra
Why don't you tell is which union got the better of its members and got the ansp to withdraw from the lease? Is it a secret?
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Time for a new gripe!
A number of months ago the Powers-that-be hired an outside company to chat to us about the things we were unhappy with and all that rot.
From what I gathered, one of the main things that were mentioned was the fact that the upper echelons of management simply don't tell us what's going on.
It's now been MANY months later and ironically, we've never been given ANY feedback from these "forums" we were asked to attend! NADA!!!
Well.... There's yer problem!
A number of months ago the Powers-that-be hired an outside company to chat to us about the things we were unhappy with and all that rot.
From what I gathered, one of the main things that were mentioned was the fact that the upper echelons of management simply don't tell us what's going on.
It's now been MANY months later and ironically, we've never been given ANY feedback from these "forums" we were asked to attend! NADA!!!
Well.... There's yer problem!
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You know, it's been many years since my direct association with ATNS, but some things NEVER change!
They should see this coming and start the negotiations in January. Or November even
In the midst of the economic crisis, ATC's are sitting with their less than adequate increase they got (allegedly) last year, and waiting patiently this year (for a change).
It reminds me of a certain idiom...
"When days are dark, answers from management are few!!!"
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Oh look... ANOTHER memo, telling us ANOTHER company will be taking ANOTHER look at the company to better it...
I'm sorry Patrick, from experience: I attend, give my opinions (I try to be objective and constructive) and NOTHING EVER HAPPENS!!!!
This time, we're off to the pub instead... Send them there, then we'll tell them how we really feel!!!
I'm sorry Patrick, from experience: I attend, give my opinions (I try to be objective and constructive) and NOTHING EVER HAPPENS!!!!
This time, we're off to the pub instead... Send them there, then we'll tell them how we really feel!!!
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Seems like a Rerun.
Last time the Danish visited SA shores they earned Two Salaries, Lived in Townhouses the above average experiance ATC could not afford, drove a better than average car and had more leave than any SA ATC.
Funny thing is some South African ATC had to give them instruction. Unity was never big in ATNS. No doubt Management will dangle the usual, "Two Week Old Carrot" and someone will bite
. It must be nice to work next to someone from another country, do the same job, have more experiance than them and earn less .
The once profitable college has been to nothing more than a nursery school. Courses have been cancelled due to lack of instructors and this at a time of Huge ATC Shortage. Students may get sent overseas at a cost that would prabably 5-10 time that of SA courses.
Guild will probably make a half baked attempt at stopping this but expecting them to have a proper legal fight is like expecting The Stormers to win 2010 world cup (Football just aint their Game and besides they are't even doing that well at Rugby)
I know of an ATC that went to Canada and return because people didnt want to train. The 2010 World Cup is your "Calling Card" SA needs staff and they cannot get it without SA ATC Instructors cooperation.
Grow a backbone boys. Refuse to train the overseas controllers until salay packages are equaled. Do you believe that you are less worthy than they are? From this side of the world it is clear that SA controllers can play with the best of them. Stop being a bunch of Complaining Sissies and Man/Woman Up.
Last time the Danish visited SA shores they earned Two Salaries, Lived in Townhouses the above average experiance ATC could not afford, drove a better than average car and had more leave than any SA ATC.
Funny thing is some South African ATC had to give them instruction. Unity was never big in ATNS. No doubt Management will dangle the usual, "Two Week Old Carrot" and someone will bite
. It must be nice to work next to someone from another country, do the same job, have more experiance than them and earn less .The once profitable college has been to nothing more than a nursery school. Courses have been cancelled due to lack of instructors and this at a time of Huge ATC Shortage. Students may get sent overseas at a cost that would prabably 5-10 time that of SA courses.
Guild will probably make a half baked attempt at stopping this but expecting them to have a proper legal fight is like expecting The Stormers to win 2010 world cup (Football just aint their Game and besides they are't even doing that well at Rugby)
I know of an ATC that went to Canada and return because people didnt want to train. The 2010 World Cup is your "Calling Card" SA needs staff and they cannot get it without SA ATC Instructors cooperation.
Grow a backbone boys. Refuse to train the overseas controllers until salay packages are equaled. Do you believe that you are less worthy than they are? From this side of the world it is clear that SA controllers can play with the best of them. Stop being a bunch of Complaining Sissies and Man/Woman Up.