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Well I guess that ad says it all, ATNS has finally spilled the beans. "Desperation" A little too little too late !
They thrive on crises management !!
My heart really goes out to the ATC's in JHB and the rest of the country for that matter.
May the force be with you !!
They thrive on crises management !!
My heart really goes out to the ATC's in JHB and the rest of the country for that matter.
May the force be with you !!
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As always HO screws it up but will not admit it 
But the ATC's in the field will come and save the day
and get a tap on the back if he/she is lucky and the CEO and his partners drives away with new car and about 2 mil in their bank accounts 
All Talk & No Service
At least they provide us all with some good jokes
But the ATC's in the field will come and save the day
and get a tap on the back if he/she is lucky and the CEO and his partners drives away with new car and about 2 mil in their bank accounts All Talk & No Service
At least they provide us all with some good jokes
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Well done ATNS, you once again "managed" to prove yourself as company of choice.
I would like to know how other ATNS employees think about the salary on offer for the " SWC ATC's"?
Is it just me or are the ATC's gonna roll over and play dead again? Surely, with the SWC approaching fast, this is the unique oppurtunity for all of us to stand together and put our foot down. Lets not forget that management has already made it known that they rely on the pride of ATNS controllers to make SWC a success.
ATNS pleaded poverty during salary negotiations, however they are willing to pay top dollar, sorry euro for international controllers. Where is Soladarity now?
I would like to know how other ATNS employees think about the salary on offer for the " SWC ATC's"?
Is it just me or are the ATC's gonna roll over and play dead again? Surely, with the SWC approaching fast, this is the unique oppurtunity for all of us to stand together and put our foot down. Lets not forget that management has already made it known that they rely on the pride of ATNS controllers to make SWC a success.
ATNS pleaded poverty during salary negotiations, however they are willing to pay top dollar, sorry euro for international controllers. Where is Soladarity now?
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ATNS pleaded poverty during salary negotiations,
however they are willing to pay top dollar, sorry euro for international controllers.
Good luck to you all.
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Agree with Blockla,
That money isn't much considering that people who do make the 6 month move have to pay for their appartments overseas and in SA with that money, same goes for cars. Unless ATNS is chipping in for that....
That money isn't much considering that people who do make the 6 month move have to pay for their appartments overseas and in SA with that money, same goes for cars. Unless ATNS is chipping in for that....
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Can't we just say, that this 'recruitment campaign' is a big joke !!
If for some reason people would go there for 5-6 Months to watch the WC, play some golf and travel a bit around SA, well ok I guess.....But from what I've heard you will be working a pretty crappy roster with no leave entitlement during your stay. Well hopefully they have tv's in the twr, cause that's where you'll be watching the footie !
On top of that , as mentioned in previous posts, most people still have some kind of accommodation expenses somewhere else...So unless they're looking for people who are in between jobs or retired controllers, good luck getting any folks with the experience required......
ATNS you gonna have to do better than that!
If for some reason people would go there for 5-6 Months to watch the WC, play some golf and travel a bit around SA, well ok I guess.....But from what I've heard you will be working a pretty crappy roster with no leave entitlement during your stay. Well hopefully they have tv's in the twr, cause that's where you'll be watching the footie !
On top of that , as mentioned in previous posts, most people still have some kind of accommodation expenses somewhere else...So unless they're looking for people who are in between jobs or retired controllers, good luck getting any folks with the experience required......
ATNS you gonna have to do better than that!
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I haven't really read the thread but in Australia saw an offer floating around for the World Cup. The pay was **** and no holidays. You might get dudes from Nigeria or something.
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Yep... That advert passed around the station!!
#1. It's LA MERCY you dolts! Not Lemesie! If you don't know how to spell it, either phone someone who does, or call it King Shaka! Thsi is a prime example of someone at HQ being paid enormous amounts to make us look like idiots, on an international level!
#2. 90 000 Euro? That's a whole lot more than us. From what I gather, it's not a particularly attractive package for internationals either.
My question: A number of times ATNS has come forth saying our salaries are competitive internationaly; is this not proof that they're not? They have to offer more than double what we earn, and it still isn't enough.
#1. It's LA MERCY you dolts! Not Lemesie! If you don't know how to spell it, either phone someone who does, or call it King Shaka! Thsi is a prime example of someone at HQ being paid enormous amounts to make us look like idiots, on an international level!
#2. 90 000 Euro? That's a whole lot more than us. From what I gather, it's not a particularly attractive package for internationals either.
My question: A number of times ATNS has come forth saying our salaries are competitive internationaly; is this not proof that they're not? They have to offer more than double what we earn, and it still isn't enough.
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I also have a hard time believing that ATNS will find staff for such a short amount of time. Who would resign to go and work for 5 months in S.A, for that kind of money?
No, if they really want and need staff for the SWC, they'll have to come up with a better solution. And I guess pretty quickly.......
No, if they really want and need staff for the SWC, they'll have to come up with a better solution. And I guess pretty quickly.......
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I'm in for the bet.
ATNS always have a plan. When the Danish controller were hired they spent bucket lodds of money. If you ask anyone at headoffice the controllers were being paid exactly what a SA controller with 5 years experiance was.
Yet, these controllers could afford renting townhouses most SA ATCs couldn't. They drove better vehicles better than many SA ATCs at the time. They went on vacations more often and to more expensive places than most SA ATCs can afford. And they managed to maintain there households abroad. I am pretty average with Mathematics but this has to have been a story of five loaves and two fish, in order to balance such budgets on only a SA ATC salary.
The grapevine had it that they were being paided their normal salaries, plus an ATNS salary. This could conveniently be justified as a service fee to the Danish ATC company. But, hey, thats only Rumour.
Whats worse, someone actually trained them. I wonder why? Could it be the increase in OJTI allowance?
Funny the SAAF ATC courses were not good enough ten years back. If you joined ATNS from the SAAF, you had to do a recourse. This very day aspireing SA ATC cadets are sitting in Mpumalanga being trained by the SAAF. Why? Because the colledge no longer exists. Another yard stick that conveniently moved.
The yard stick always moves to suite ATNS. Sadly no SA controllers are brave enough to make a stand against them.
ATNS always have a plan. When the Danish controller were hired they spent bucket lodds of money. If you ask anyone at headoffice the controllers were being paid exactly what a SA controller with 5 years experiance was.
Yet, these controllers could afford renting townhouses most SA ATCs couldn't. They drove better vehicles better than many SA ATCs at the time. They went on vacations more often and to more expensive places than most SA ATCs can afford. And they managed to maintain there households abroad. I am pretty average with Mathematics but this has to have been a story of five loaves and two fish, in order to balance such budgets on only a SA ATC salary.
The grapevine had it that they were being paided their normal salaries, plus an ATNS salary. This could conveniently be justified as a service fee to the Danish ATC company. But, hey, thats only Rumour.
Whats worse, someone actually trained them. I wonder why? Could it be the increase in OJTI allowance?
Funny the SAAF ATC courses were not good enough ten years back. If you joined ATNS from the SAAF, you had to do a recourse. This very day aspireing SA ATC cadets are sitting in Mpumalanga being trained by the SAAF. Why? Because the colledge no longer exists. Another yard stick that conveniently moved.
The yard stick always moves to suite ATNS. Sadly no SA controllers are brave enough to make a stand against them.
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Don’t single out SA controllers mate. Bravery has nothing to do with it anyway, it’s called self preservation and I can’t think of many controllers that have taken a stand against their management and got what they wanted. Can you?
There’s nothing to worry about for anybody. The Controllers in South Africa will break their backs during the World cup and they will enjoy doing it. They’ve always been perfectly capable of dealing with the traffic, the controller exodus to the Middle East and whatever other mismanagement problems they were given, just like most controllers out there.
If ATNS manages to get some controllers to SA in time, someone will train them. There might be one or two who refuses, but others will do their jobs just like any other day. Employer – employee….. That’s just the way it is.
The SWC will come and go and the credit will go to every minister, organizer, team, coach, player, stadium, police officer, fan, airline, ATC manager, administration staff member, secretary, assistant and cleaner………but only one air miss or worse and guess where the credit will go??
There’s nothing to worry about for anybody. The Controllers in South Africa will break their backs during the World cup and they will enjoy doing it. They’ve always been perfectly capable of dealing with the traffic, the controller exodus to the Middle East and whatever other mismanagement problems they were given, just like most controllers out there.
If ATNS manages to get some controllers to SA in time, someone will train them. There might be one or two who refuses, but others will do their jobs just like any other day. Employer – employee….. That’s just the way it is.
The SWC will come and go and the credit will go to every minister, organizer, team, coach, player, stadium, police officer, fan, airline, ATC manager, administration staff member, secretary, assistant and cleaner………but only one air miss or worse and guess where the credit will go??
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I am that betting person ....
Once you work 6 out of 7 days during the SWC, any help will do....
See you soon!!
Once you work 6 out of 7 days during the SWC, any help will do....
See you soon!!
Sadly no SA controllers are brave enough to make a stand against them.
Don’t single out SA controllers mate. Bravery has nothing to do with it anyway, it’s called self preservation and I can’t think of many controllers that have taken a stand against their management and got what they wanted. Can you?
If ATNS manages to get some controllers to SA in time, someone will train them.
If ATNS manages to get some controllers to SA in time, someone will train them.
All I say is stick around. Things are about to change at ATNS!! The people will stand together (forced if necessary), and if you don't, I will introduce you to my bat called Sparky.
see you in the parking lot...Unfortunately the time has come to show the people the correct path. Time for self preservation has run out and unity is the only way to go. If you havn't heard this yet in the New SA - Majority Rules!!!
Maggot out
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Hey Maggot, 
…you obviously
a. have a lot to learn and
b. are new to the Ethos and Unity Principals, or lack thereof, of South African ATC’s
Sorry I forgot, you are going to (Force) them …
... Good Luck!!
as I said before .... See you soon….!!
BTW – the word 'Ethos' means …the character or disposition of a community, group, person, etc.
…you obviously a. have a lot to learn and
b. are new to the Ethos and Unity Principals, or lack thereof, of South African ATC’s
Sorry I forgot, you are going to (Force) them …
... Good Luck!! as I said before .... See you soon….!!
BTW – the word 'Ethos' means …the character or disposition of a community, group, person, etc.