UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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My No Vote (yes, you read it correctly) is in the post!
any one else find that there was no serial number on their ballot this time? I'm off to Staples to borrow a photocopier and a ream of yellow paper*
RS
*I'm kidding, democracy rules. (must put in a claim for my tennis courts...)
any one else find that there was no serial number on their ballot this time? I'm off to Staples to borrow a photocopier and a ream of yellow paper*
RS
*I'm kidding, democracy rules. (must put in a claim for my tennis courts...)
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My no vote to would be in the post if I had recieved one!!!!!....that said it will make little differance.......we have been shafted well and good not only by Barron but also by our work mates that could not be arsed to vote over the pension......a bludy disgrace........5 years left to do but I guess I will be out of the door before that as Barron needs the few quid that it costs to employ me to put in his back pocket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He came, he conqured and he destroyed......and no doubt he will do the same to the next Company that comes his way.
He came, he conqured and he destroyed......and no doubt he will do the same to the next Company that comes his way.
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The funny bit (yes, there is a funny bit) is how many ar$e licking contractors and PCG's are out of a job - with more to follow in October/November. They backed the wrong bl00dy horse this time, Barron has done exactly what the guys from GEC said he would. 
They backed the wrong bl00dy horse this time, Barron has done exactly what the guys from GEC said he would.
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Yep that's NATS for you - Donkeys led by donkeys.
We don't have managers any more, we have yes men and I have no idea why anyone bothers to be a member of Prostrate.
sorry, but I disagree. From my own perspective as an ATSA 2, I've watched my Unit systematically decimated by poor management; new technology sometimes not fit for purpose; well-meaning, but weak, Union representation; and a big fat zero in terms of actual meaningful support from the other grades (and from Prospect in particular) within the building - all of whom are more than aware of our circumstances, and have been for as long as I've been there.
We don't have managers any more, we have yes men and I have no idea why anyone bothers to be a member of Prostrate.
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The funny bit (yes, there is a funny bit) is how many ar$e licking contractors and PCG's are out of a job - with more to follow in October/November. 
They backed the wrong bl00dy horse this time, Barron has done exactly what the guys from GEC said he would.
They backed the wrong bl00dy horse this time, Barron has done exactly what the guys from GEC said he would.
. I used to laugh my head off listening to grown men actually discussing their chosen "destination", until I realised the lunatics had taken over the assylum
Final Destination
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White Hart,
I know things have been c**p where you work (as they are in many places). I don't doubt for a second that you feel badly treated and unrecognised. I wasn't disputing that. Nor can I help what has happened. I don't need to check up on you with others to believe what you say and feel about the situation where you work and with ATSA's generally.
I also know that wherever there are ATCO's there are greedy, self centered, selfish, unthinking individuals, as there are anywhere there are people. There are also plenty who are not. I'm fairly certain for instance, that you wouldn't lump Gonzo in with those others who don't care?
You say: "They all say we're a vital part of the team, but consistently refuse to do anything more than just spout rhetoric"
Okay. What do you want them/us to actually do? I, personally, would happily forgo any payrise if I thought it would save the jobs of the many ATSA's who won't be here in a few years, but I'm realistic too - that wouldn't happen - the jobs will go anyway. If there is something we can do other than sympathise/empathise then tell us.
"Some of these colleagues I've known for nearly 20 years, and I'm honoured to consider them as my friends outside of the work environment, but when we're inside the situation is changed - its the ATCOs and everybody else."
If that's the case, are these people really your friends? True friends would not change their spots in a differeing situation. Either they should be straight with you outside work about what they feel and what is happening even if it's not what you want to hear, or they should be with you inside work too.
I'm truly sorry that you have been let down so badly. I'm sorry things are the way there are at the moment. But there are people who do care about the ATSA's (which was my original point) and would do anything in their power to help them, and I'm one. And if you don't believe me, then ask one or two people who know me; like two of my best friends who are ATSA's, or my husband, who also is an ATSA, and will probably be out of a job in the next couple of years. Ask the ATSA's on my watch how I treat them. I'm not alone in caring about them. I may be in a minority, but I'm not alone.
Tar us all with the same brush if you want, but it's not going to win you the support you really need. You might think you won't get it anyway, but you won't know unless you try....
Cheers,
N
"Keep smiling, it makes people wonder what you're up to..."
I know things have been c**p where you work (as they are in many places). I don't doubt for a second that you feel badly treated and unrecognised. I wasn't disputing that. Nor can I help what has happened. I don't need to check up on you with others to believe what you say and feel about the situation where you work and with ATSA's generally.
I also know that wherever there are ATCO's there are greedy, self centered, selfish, unthinking individuals, as there are anywhere there are people. There are also plenty who are not. I'm fairly certain for instance, that you wouldn't lump Gonzo in with those others who don't care?
You say: "They all say we're a vital part of the team, but consistently refuse to do anything more than just spout rhetoric"
Okay. What do you want them/us to actually do? I, personally, would happily forgo any payrise if I thought it would save the jobs of the many ATSA's who won't be here in a few years, but I'm realistic too - that wouldn't happen - the jobs will go anyway. If there is something we can do other than sympathise/empathise then tell us.
"Some of these colleagues I've known for nearly 20 years, and I'm honoured to consider them as my friends outside of the work environment, but when we're inside the situation is changed - its the ATCOs and everybody else."
If that's the case, are these people really your friends? True friends would not change their spots in a differeing situation. Either they should be straight with you outside work about what they feel and what is happening even if it's not what you want to hear, or they should be with you inside work too.
I'm truly sorry that you have been let down so badly. I'm sorry things are the way there are at the moment. But there are people who do care about the ATSA's (which was my original point) and would do anything in their power to help them, and I'm one. And if you don't believe me, then ask one or two people who know me; like two of my best friends who are ATSA's, or my husband, who also is an ATSA, and will probably be out of a job in the next couple of years. Ask the ATSA's on my watch how I treat them. I'm not alone in caring about them. I may be in a minority, but I'm not alone.
Tar us all with the same brush if you want, but it's not going to win you the support you really need. You might think you won't get it anyway, but you won't know unless you try....
Cheers,
N
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I was was recently informed by an admittedly drunk ATCO that "when push comes to shove all engineers and ATSA's can f&*k off as we ATCO's will be looking after ourselves. At that point I reminded him that he should consider the size of his puny body with the size of my boot 
, further explanations included what will happen to the ATCO's eventually ( an engineer as COO and a change of GM at Swanwick may be giveaways ). The funny drunk little man is still convinced that the mighty ATCO is untouchable, even now he is sober (allegedly) we will see!
, further explanations included what will happen to the ATCO's eventually ( an engineer as COO and a change of GM at Swanwick may be giveaways ). The funny drunk little man is still convinced that the mighty ATCO is untouchable, even now he is sober (allegedly) we will see!
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Something odd going on here.
Why are ballot papers different colours...Yellow, Blue and Pink and why have some got serial numbers and others haven't? Surely if we are all balloting over same issue than all papers should be identical! (all with a NO vote!! LOL)
Obviously not as anonymous as it should be!
Why are ballot papers different colours...Yellow, Blue and Pink and why have some got serial numbers and others haven't? Surely if we are all balloting over same issue than all papers should be identical! (all with a NO vote!! LOL)
Obviously not as anonymous as it should be!
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Why are ballot papers different colours...Yellow, Blue and Pink and why have some got serial numbers and others haven't?
My yellow paper didn't have a serial number so it could just be that somebody forgot to serial number those ones. Or perhaps some branches are more trusting than others
I, personally, would happily forgo any payrise if I thought it would save the jobs of the many ATSA's who won't be here in a few years, but I'm realistic too - that wouldn't happen - the jobs will go anyway.
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If there is the slightest problem or irregularity with the ballot papers they should all be scrapped and another ballot taken which starts after NATS financial report is published in 30 days time 
. I am sure we all could have waited another month for the ballot, and if and when another large profit is shown we could vote with a clear conscience
VOTE NO
. I am sure we all could have waited another month for the ballot, and if and when another large profit is shown we could vote with a clear conscienceVOTE NO
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Having seen the way management have worked since PPP, I think it is quite clear that saving money on the pay rise will not save anyones job.
Management have just given away £46M... if they wan to shed jobs they will, regardless of any other consideration.
Vote 'YES' to prove to management that we are happy to let them continue to pillage profits whilst they do not pay enough into the pension pot. The next thing that will happen is even more changes in Ts and Cs.
For unions to have a strong starting position in any negotiations, the membership has to be seen to give a monkeys. A large non turn out will only strenghten management positions and make them shaft us even more.
Management have just given away £46M... if they wan to shed jobs they will, regardless of any other consideration.
Vote 'YES' to prove to management that we are happy to let them continue to pillage profits whilst they do not pay enough into the pension pot. The next thing that will happen is even more changes in Ts and Cs.
For unions to have a strong starting position in any negotiations, the membership has to be seen to give a monkeys. A large non turn out will only strenghten management positions and make them shaft us even more.
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Mine is a "NO" vote and will be on its merry way soon.
Still can't understand why, even though it is a national vote, it can't be done at unit level with ballot boxes in work areas, under lock and key at night if necessary.
eglnyt
.. with a decent payrise think how many hangar-on managers could be got rid of..ATSAs get a pittance compared to those guys/gals. Some of them could go without leaving a gap...managers that is , not ATSAs
Still can't understand why, even though it is a national vote, it can't be done at unit level with ballot boxes in work areas, under lock and key at night if necessary.
eglnyt
.. with a decent payrise think how many hangar-on managers could be got rid of..ATSAs get a pittance compared to those guys/gals. Some of them could go without leaving a gap...managers that is , not ATSAs
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