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Verci - Its summer have a holiday. Don't get so worked up on ghosts of Xmas past, Whats your point anyway you are getting boring!
ANSA - we would like this thread to be about Dubai really. Slagging matches etc for the lobby please.
Thanks guys.
ANSA - we would like this thread to be about Dubai really. Slagging matches etc for the lobby please.
Thanks guys.
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The last scene from the play "Yesterdays Man; a study of impotence, ineffectiveness, failure and bitterness".
Ensemble (puzzled): "Iain who?"
Long silence, punctuated by the sound of tumbleweeds tossed in the wind.
Curtain.
The End.
Ensemble (puzzled): "Iain who?"
Long silence, punctuated by the sound of tumbleweeds tossed in the wind.
Curtain.
The End.
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Verci,
For God's sake, give it a rest.
If you have nothing better to say than the usual invective re: the DANS and his adviser (we all know they're TW*TS, you don't have top keep telling us) and/or pushing the Aussies' buttons, then please do take a holiday, enjoy the theakstones and let the rest of us have a civilised conversation without your incessant interruptions.
Whether you like it or not, the lunatics are running the asylum. You may no longer be an inmate but others here are and prefer to do what they can to improve the system as and where possible. Don't knock them for that.
Ferris
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For God's sake, give it a rest.
If you have nothing better to say than the usual invective re: the DANS and his adviser (we all know they're TW*TS, you don't have top keep telling us) and/or pushing the Aussies' buttons, then please do take a holiday, enjoy the theakstones and let the rest of us have a civilised conversation without your incessant interruptions.
Whether you like it or not, the lunatics are running the asylum. You may no longer be an inmate but others here are and prefer to do what they can to improve the system as and where possible. Don't knock them for that.
Ferris
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Ummmm...Verci, I got a call from the Samaritans and they said you were in here talking to yourself and to drop a line and see how you are getting on. I volunteer for them and having also been described as a complete joke in management before my breakdown, know what you are going through.
The 2nd last stage of social disgrace and helplessness (The last stage is advocating that you were once a controller in Heathrow which will be just embarrassing for everyone concerned!) is venting on Pprune hoping that poetry and outdated sad stories of your plight will get you back on the pedestal.
Unfortunately by all accounts you never have, was or will be anything but a tick on the back of a mongrel dog sniffing the skip bins in Khalifa city.
Please, please call us now on 02 4054590 and talk to one of our operators who will quite gladly tell you where to go.
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1. My interruptions are not incessant but are extremely pertinent.
2. They highlight extreme matters of concern to the greater traveling public and not just a little closed shop of ATC to be brushed under the carpet.
2. They highlight extreme matters of concern to the greater traveling public and not just a little closed shop of ATC to be brushed under the carpet.
About nothing and everything all at once
I am one of those
Melodramatic fools
Neurotic to the bone
No doubt about it
Sometimes I give myself the creeps
Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me
It all keeps adding up
I think I'm cracking up
Am I just paranoid?
Or I'm just stoned
I went to a shrink
To analyze my dreams
She says it's lack of sex that's bringing me down
I went to a whore
She said my life's a bore
And quit my whining cause it's bringing her down
Sometimes I give myself the creeps
Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me
It all keeps adding up
I think I'm cracking up
Am I just paranoid?
Or I'm just stoned
Grasping to control
So I better hold on
Sometimes I give myself the creeps
Sometimes my mind plays tricks on me
It all keeps adding up
I think I'm cracking up
Am I just paranoid?
Or I'm just stoned
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Jors, as you are well aware, most here tolerated Verci's rants back when they contained information. I use the word 'tolerated' because we all know that he is a coward. Before he was dismissed due to incompetence, he was gleefully part of Stromboli's empire ie. a talentless boot-licker too afraid to open his mouth, and only too eager to do Stromboli's bidding. Now that he has died by the sword that he lived by, he is bleating relentlessly here on pprune, sniping impotently from afar. As his posts contain less information/outright disinformation these days (his source obviously got the chop, too), and have descended into little more than ultra-repetitive, theakstones-induced rants, I guess the tolerance level will decrease.
BTW, Verci, someone who sends PMs threatening to pay thugs to beat up/'take care of' others is a text-book coward. Schoolboy-mentality cowardice. Sums you up, really.
BTW, Verci, someone who sends PMs threatening to pay thugs to beat up/'take care of' others is a text-book coward. Schoolboy-mentality cowardice. Sums you up, really.
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Go Verci.. keep up the good work. Every Don Quixote needs a Panza and if tilting at windmills helps to retain sanity then I say go for it!
But I have to say I am getting dizzy here, this thread just keeps going round, and round and...well you get the idea!
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Verci and UAE
Friends of mine in UAE center (and close to them) say that Verci has more of his finger to the pulse than he did when he was MATCO!
They also say that that is not saying too much
Remember what the Harvard Medical School says about the stages of grief and loss (in this case loss of his job):
1. Disbelief
2. Yearning
3. Anger
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
It would seem that he is right in the middle parts of stage 3 with his bitter attacks on several opposing viewpoints.
Come on fellows, help him through this process, it isn't far to go before he is depressed and then accepts what has happened.
Verci, you have made your position on all matters pertaining to UAE center (some would say be-labored them) they are on record for everyone to see. You do yourself a disservice to attack those now in these jobs (especially the racist remarks) and it reeks of sour grapes to the outsider.
It is time to step back from these continuing attacks as they should be unworthy of you.
hayyak
They also say that that is not saying too much
Remember what the Harvard Medical School says about the stages of grief and loss (in this case loss of his job):
1. Disbelief
2. Yearning
3. Anger
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
It would seem that he is right in the middle parts of stage 3 with his bitter attacks on several opposing viewpoints.
Come on fellows, help him through this process, it isn't far to go before he is depressed and then accepts what has happened.
Verci, you have made your position on all matters pertaining to UAE center (some would say be-labored them) they are on record for everyone to see. You do yourself a disservice to attack those now in these jobs (especially the racist remarks) and it reeks of sour grapes to the outsider.
It is time to step back from these continuing attacks as they should be unworthy of you.
hayyak
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I see this thread is on a smoke break.
I'm a tower and approach rated controller working in Kuwait. I have monitored this forum for sometime and understand that hiring is temporarily at a standstill. I am wondering if being able to catch a quick flight over, and meeting management would help on acquiring any upcoming hiring slots?
I'm a tower and approach rated controller working in Kuwait. I have monitored this forum for sometime and understand that hiring is temporarily at a standstill. I am wondering if being able to catch a quick flight over, and meeting management would help on acquiring any upcoming hiring slots?
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Bongodingo,
it depends which facility you are interested in working at. However if you are interested in Dubai/Jebel Ali then go to the link below, as in the thread which you originally posted, has ended as UAE ACC 'personal tick-tack' match.....
check this out;
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/377...t-baggage.html
Otherwise, I suggest you try again in this post, if you are more specific to other facilities in the UAE.
it depends which facility you are interested in working at. However if you are interested in Dubai/Jebel Ali then go to the link below, as in the thread which you originally posted, has ended as UAE ACC 'personal tick-tack' match.....
check this out;
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/377...t-baggage.html
Otherwise, I suggest you try again in this post, if you are more specific to other facilities in the UAE.
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Prowler,
Will follow your advice. Posted on another thread and got nothing...
I am enroute radar controller in Aus, been doing it for 4.5 years or so. Coming up to end of my bond in first half of next year so am looking at options overseas (cancelling SY APP's rec leave for 3 months was SUCH a good move...) and am looking at UAE. Have a few questions though that I hope to be able to get some help with.
Firstly, for area radar, my understanding is that is only in Abu Dhabi - is that correct? Also, is it only provided by GCAA or are Serco/someone else in on it too?
Flight Global website has some details on what would be offered. It appears that all the allowances (housing, education, etc.) have been rolled into one monthly payment and there is only medical provided on top of that, plus a bonus. Anyone know any more about this? Is it comparable to the previous package with everything separated? Any idea what the story with the bonus is?
Have heaps of other questions but will wait to see if this gets a response first.
Cheers!
Will follow your advice. Posted on another thread and got nothing...
I am enroute radar controller in Aus, been doing it for 4.5 years or so. Coming up to end of my bond in first half of next year so am looking at options overseas (cancelling SY APP's rec leave for 3 months was SUCH a good move...
) and am looking at UAE. Have a few questions though that I hope to be able to get some help with.Firstly, for area radar, my understanding is that is only in Abu Dhabi - is that correct? Also, is it only provided by GCAA or are Serco/someone else in on it too?
Flight Global website has some details on what would be offered. It appears that all the allowances (housing, education, etc.) have been rolled into one monthly payment and there is only medical provided on top of that, plus a bonus. Anyone know any more about this? Is it comparable to the previous package with everything separated? Any idea what the story with the bonus is?
Have heaps of other questions but will wait to see if this gets a response first.
Cheers!
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Hello WestAus,
Just saw your thread mate so I'll answer your questions as best I can.
The ACC is in Abu Dhabi. Just moved into the new Sheikh Zayed Centre in July. It is the only Area centre in the country. Others in the region are Bahrain, Oman (Muscat to be precise who are also recruiting right now), and Doha which is APP/TWR only.
Two companies provide the service. Primarily the GCAA and then SERCO. GCAA contract SERCO to provide a certain number of controllers and Engineers at the Centre. GCAA and SERCO packages differ slightly. At the end of the day, if you are with GCAA you have more money in your pocket at the end of the month. I won't go into the details here. Packages are generally all inclusive plus Medical benefits. GCAA hav capped their housing allowance at 150kAED per year paid in two installments. SERCO give you an allowance up to 200kAED per year, both deducted from salary. It seems a lot but rents have been decreasing here and will decrease further over time. GCAA offer bonuses to their staff, I think twice yearly (open to correction), equal to one months basic salary. Us SERCO dogs don't get that one!!! (hint hint!!!). Lifestyle is great and I certainly won't be leaving here anytime soon.
If you have kids, you must cough up a stupid amount of money for schooling. It varies between abou 18k per year per child in Dubai and Au Dhabi to around 60k pere year per child. Maybe even more. (Can't advise on this one bud as I'm still a fan of Durex!!!!!)
Overall the work is great and you'll really enjoy yourself here as long as you can put aside all the things that will make you itch and scream.
Please feel free to PM me if you have any other questions. I'll do me best.
Now back to the beach.......
Just saw your thread mate so I'll answer your questions as best I can.
The ACC is in Abu Dhabi. Just moved into the new Sheikh Zayed Centre in July. It is the only Area centre in the country. Others in the region are Bahrain, Oman (Muscat to be precise who are also recruiting right now), and Doha which is APP/TWR only.
Two companies provide the service. Primarily the GCAA and then SERCO. GCAA contract SERCO to provide a certain number of controllers and Engineers at the Centre. GCAA and SERCO packages differ slightly. At the end of the day, if you are with GCAA you have more money in your pocket at the end of the month. I won't go into the details here. Packages are generally all inclusive plus Medical benefits. GCAA hav capped their housing allowance at 150kAED per year paid in two installments. SERCO give you an allowance up to 200kAED per year, both deducted from salary. It seems a lot but rents have been decreasing here and will decrease further over time. GCAA offer bonuses to their staff, I think twice yearly (open to correction), equal to one months basic salary. Us SERCO dogs don't get that one!!! (hint hint!!!). Lifestyle is great and I certainly won't be leaving here anytime soon.
If you have kids, you must cough up a stupid amount of money for schooling. It varies between abou 18k per year per child in Dubai and Au Dhabi to around 60k pere year per child. Maybe even more. (Can't advise on this one bud as I'm still a fan of Durex!!!!!)
Overall the work is great and you'll really enjoy yourself here as long as you can put aside all the things that will make you itch and scream.
Please feel free to PM me if you have any other questions. I'll do me best.
Now back to the beach.......
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Hi Jors
1. Verci seems to be pushing certain peoples buttons and that I find him amusing in a Borat kind of way. You know - says and does totally insane and outrageous stuff that should be either laughed at or ignored, yet he still manages to ruffle some feathers.
2. but no, you keep buying his tickets
3. It appears that you're all so wrapped up in this nonsense that you all think someone else is someone else who's masquerading as someone else and the dirty laundry justs keeps flapping.
Never were 'Troolier' words spoken.
It's fun to push buttons and provide amusement at the same time.
Can only surmise that the response to 'button pushing' is because of the underlying truth.
I quote from a recent correspondence with the MATCO on the subject "we have just done what the Irish, Australians and Swedes were not able to do, and that is a transition to a new centre without full system failure. We achieved what those centres plus many more failed to achieve by transtioning to an advanced ATC system without a full system failure".
(The Italicised spelling is that of the MATCO).
That explains the recent power outage then and the attendent firing of the duty engineer to cover up managment failures. Uhm
Kattar Kid
Friends of mine in UAE center (and close to them) say that Verci has more of his finger to the pulse than he did when he was MATCO!
In other words, unsubstantiated second hand vicarious untruths.
However, can only say that it is difficult to have any sort of pulse when Stromboli has his foot on one's carotid artery!!
Also, that's a big No No to Nos 1 - 5. Hard to go with No 4, especially when sitting on a beach with an evenly balanced diet, i.e. glass of champagne in either hand.
P.S. Re racist remarks,
I used to only know lager spelt one way but since encountering the then Training section I now know that in Afrikaans there are two spellings. i.e. lager & laager. I like the former but not the latter nor the attitudes associated with it.
N.B. Don't forget that my wife is an asian babe.
Wonder how that would go down on a holiday in Seff Afrika, not!!
Also check out MATCO's comments above re Irish, Australians and Swedes!!
Cheers to all my readers.
To infinty and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint of Theakstones Old Peculiar.
1. Verci seems to be pushing certain peoples buttons and that I find him amusing in a Borat kind of way. You know - says and does totally insane and outrageous stuff that should be either laughed at or ignored, yet he still manages to ruffle some feathers.
2. but no, you keep buying his tickets
3. It appears that you're all so wrapped up in this nonsense that you all think someone else is someone else who's masquerading as someone else and the dirty laundry justs keeps flapping.
Never were 'Troolier' words spoken.
It's fun to push buttons and provide amusement at the same time.
Can only surmise that the response to 'button pushing' is because of the underlying truth.
I quote from a recent correspondence with the MATCO on the subject "we have just done what the Irish, Australians and Swedes were not able to do, and that is a transition to a new centre without full system failure. We achieved what those centres plus many more failed to achieve by transtioning to an advanced ATC system without a full system failure".
(The Italicised spelling is that of the MATCO).
That explains the recent power outage then and the attendent firing of the duty engineer to cover up managment failures. Uhm
Kattar Kid
Friends of mine in UAE center (and close to them) say that Verci has more of his finger to the pulse than he did when he was MATCO!
In other words, unsubstantiated second hand vicarious untruths.
However, can only say that it is difficult to have any sort of pulse when Stromboli has his foot on one's carotid artery!!
Also, that's a big No No to Nos 1 - 5. Hard to go with No 4, especially when sitting on a beach with an evenly balanced diet, i.e. glass of champagne in either hand.
P.S. Re racist remarks,
I used to only know lager spelt one way but since encountering the then Training section I now know that in Afrikaans there are two spellings. i.e. lager & laager. I like the former but not the latter nor the attitudes associated with it.N.B. Don't forget that my wife is an asian babe.
Wonder how that would go down on a holiday in Seff Afrika, not!!
Also check out MATCO's comments above re Irish, Australians and Swedes!!
Cheers to all my readers.
To infinty and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint of Theakstones Old Peculiar.
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ANSA,
Thanks for that. How often does the bonus get paid? Is it generally paid or withheld as a carrot for the next year?
Have seen that there is an Aussie school in Abu Dhabi - any info on it? At this stage, any move will only be for a short term and so would prefer to keep the kids going with their current curriculum if we can.
And when you talk pros and cons, I assume you mean going with Serco versus GCAA and not pros/cons about going to the sandpit at all??? If so, have some reading to do!
Any idea how long the waiting list is for either? If they are advertising does that mean they have run through their current list and are topping it up? Might sound like ridiculous questions but I have no idea how they recruit people (was lucky enough to basically walk into the RAAF and then from there to AsA) so just trying to get some background info.
Thanks for that. How often does the bonus get paid? Is it generally paid or withheld as a carrot for the next year?
Have seen that there is an Aussie school in Abu Dhabi - any info on it? At this stage, any move will only be for a short term and so would prefer to keep the kids going with their current curriculum if we can.
And when you talk pros and cons, I assume you mean going with Serco versus GCAA and not pros/cons about going to the sandpit at all??? If so, have some reading to do!
Any idea how long the waiting list is for either? If they are advertising does that mean they have run through their current list and are topping it up? Might sound like ridiculous questions but I have no idea how they recruit people (was lucky enough to basically walk into the RAAF and then from there to AsA) so just trying to get some background info.