Ryanair and NATS strike:ugh:
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From Ryanair website 10th June 2008.
Well it weren't me ...I am on leave...so what made Leo Hairy Camel get all fizzed up?
UK ATC might as well be on strike today as UK airspace is partially closed for military activity and the remaining airspace is limited by ATC staff shortages. UK ATC (NATS) is supposed to be supervised by the CAA - winners of the “worst economic regulator of the year” award.
Well it weren't me ...I am on leave...so what made Leo Hairy Camel get all fizzed up?
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his airline is fooked, and he's looking to blame everyone else. look through the news section of their website. it has attacks on atc europewide.
he's running out of people to blame for his current crisis! poor Leo
he's running out of people to blame for his current crisis! poor Leo
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The press release comments made by Ryanscare's stooge on 10th June is a straight lift of the one he also made on 30th May. I suppose it keeps costs down by spouting the same garbage instead of having to think of new words.
Maybe we should live up to the portrait painted by a certain Mr O'Brien and do nothing out of the ordinary for his airline. No direct routes, no bending over backwards, no co-ordinating their flights through military airspace. If we are being slated, then we might as well deserve it.
Maybe we should live up to the portrait painted by a certain Mr O'Brien and do nothing out of the ordinary for his airline. No direct routes, no bending over backwards, no co-ordinating their flights through military airspace. If we are being slated, then we might as well deserve it.
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Maybe we should live up to the portrait painted by a certain Mr O'Brien and do nothing out of the ordinary for his airline. No direct routes, no bending over backwards, no co-ordinating their flights through military airspace.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds them.
They blatantly have no idea about how ATC works and haven't bothered to take the time to even acquaint themselves with ATC rules and regulations. And to top it all, they're calling for competition to be brought in with regards to the provision of ATC service, obviously either oblivious or totally unbothered of the serious safety implications that could arise when you start bringing competition into such a safety-critical environment.
Yet another reason why I would never fly Ryanair.
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Somewhat dissappointing that any operator will make comments like these. ATC strive in trying to provide a safe, orderly and expeditious service, no matter who the airline is. We all try to listen, learn, help and go forward,but that will just get peoples backs up and backward steps.
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.... and such selective memories, slating BA for "rip offs" Talk about pot calling kettle black.
The only airline whose initial call always contains, " and we're running a little late ...""
The only airline whose initial call always contains, " and we're running a little late ...""
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I'm sure the guy was only having a bit of fun. However nATS do sometimes appear to abuse their monopoly provider status. The CAA has almost been airbrushed out of the picture these days, and nATS never correct or comment whenever the press refer to them as "National Air Traffic Services". The Functional Airspace Block is going ahead.....this is where ATC service will be provided by off-shore cheaper labour.
Monopoly abuse may see the introduction of a special premium rate biz-jet service outside the main traffic flows!
Perhaps the time is right to consider breaking up the airspace and going out to tender for service provision.
Monopoly abuse may see the introduction of a special premium rate biz-jet service outside the main traffic flows!
Perhaps the time is right to consider breaking up the airspace and going out to tender for service provision.
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...and nATS never correct or comment whenever the press refer to them as "National Air Traffic Services".
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Shame really as all this serves to do is hack off ATC folks who then refuse expeditious routes etc which ultimately leads to the flight crew being the ones copping the flak. I feel sorry for Ryaniar crews that their management (apparently) enjoy getting them in the ****.
055166k - Your having a laugh there I see. For a minute there I thought you were serious.
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055166k - Your having a laugh there I see. For a minute there I thought you were serious.
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On a serious note, after years of developing working methods where NATS has obviously been accommodating Ryanair by optimising their flights into and out of Stansted for example, and quite considerably so, I think it borders on shameful if any ATCO here is inciting an unofficial work to rule against Ryanair without notifying that airline officially in writing well in advance.
Surely no-one is suggesting unofficial action?
I don't want to be in the middle of any real Ryanair low fuel situation exacerbated by some lightning ad-hoc implemented ATCO work-to-rule thanks very much ...
Surely no-one is suggesting unofficial action?
I don't want to be in the middle of any real Ryanair low fuel situation exacerbated by some lightning ad-hoc implemented ATCO work-to-rule thanks very much ...
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The Functional Airspace Block is going ahead.....this is where ATC service will be provided by off-shore cheaper labour
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On a serious note, after years of developing working methods where NATS has obviously been accommodating Ryanair by optimising their flights into and out of Stansted for example, and quite considerably so, I think it borders on shameful if any ATCO here is inciting an unofficial work to rule against Ryanair without notifying that airline officially in writing well in advance.
Surely no-one is suggesting unofficial action?
Surely no-one is suggesting unofficial action?
), I'm not sure where anyone on this thread is suggesting 'unofficial action' or 'work-to-rule'. What's 'work-to-rule' about allowing an aircraft to stay on a route that its company has filed on its flight plan?
I don't want to be in the middle of any real Ryanair low fuel situation exacerbated by some lightning ad-hoc implemented ATCO work-to-rule thanks very much ...
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If an airline doesn't carry enough fuel to fly a route according to the flightplan that they filed, then that tells us a lot about that airline! Or are you suggesting, that like on the ground with the product they offer, Ryanair rely on cutting corners in the air as well.......?
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The t*ss*r that wrote the Ryanair news release should go and check the NATS NERL licence and he might get a few of his facts correct.
Why isn't NATS responding to crap like that?
Why isn't NATS responding to crap like that?
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slip and turn - how would it be either unsafe or unprofessional to expect Ryanair, or any other, aircraft to fly their filed FPL route and adhere to all speed limiting points??? 
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RYR fuel policy is for them and the regulator to sort out - nothing to do with ATC... as said above, why should they not fly the full FP route?
If they start getting short of fuel doing so then thats not an ATC problem (I know it is in the short term but they (RYR) will soon learn).
That is of course as long as some limp wristed ATCO doesn't give them a short cut because they state they are short of fuel but don't want to call a PAN.
RYR fuel policy is for them and the regulator to sort out - nothing to do with ATC... as said above, why should they not fly the full FP route?
If they start getting short of fuel doing so then thats not an ATC problem (I know it is in the short term but they (RYR) will soon learn).
That is of course as long as some limp wristed ATCO doesn't give them a short cut because they state they are short of fuel but don't want to call a PAN.
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slip and turn - how would it be either unsafe or unprofessional to expect Ryanair, or any other, aircraft to fly their filed FPL route and adhere to all speed limiting points???
Slip and Turn - I think you have misunderstood the concept of working to rule here matey. An air traffic environment requires strict adherence to rules and regs. Having someone follow THEIR filed route is hardly an inconvenience to them is it....its what they EXPECT to do....
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S&T,
I think the point being made here to you is that 'shortcuts' or Direct Routeings are (to use a well known cliche usually associated with early-go's
) a priviledge, NOT a right. They're offered when traffic permits or with the goodwill of the ATCO. Pi$$ing and moaning about ATC in the press is not generating any goodwill towards Ryanair.
I think the point being made here to you is that 'shortcuts' or Direct Routeings are (to use a well known cliche usually associated with early-go's
) a priviledge, NOT a right. They're offered when traffic permits or with the goodwill of the ATCO. Pi$$ing and moaning about ATC in the press is not generating any goodwill towards Ryanair.
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...And in fact many airlines now take a more enlightened view that staying on the flight plan allows CFMU and local network managers to predict and regulate flow more effectively.
It may cost you twice as much but I don't care !