Saying "Degrees" after hdg
OK while we're talking about unnecessary words being spoken; MATS Pt 1 requires the runway designation to be used in clearances when there are multiple runways AND risk of confusion, so howcome everyone out of the college uses runway designation for ALL clearances at ALL airfields.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: In the South !
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quote:
-Instructing an aircraft to turn right heading 340 is HIGHLY unlikely to be interpreted as FL340 and therefore the risk is extremely low....
From personal experience, the risk is not extremely low. When given an instruction to "Turn left hdg YYY, Climb FLXXX"
-Instructing an aircraft to turn right heading 340 is HIGHLY unlikely to be interpreted as FL340 and therefore the risk is extremely low....
From personal experience, the risk is not extremely low. When given an instruction to "Turn left hdg YYY, Climb FLXXX"
Fred
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: In the South !
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well, Fred, I might be out of the circus now... but if I had a quid for every American pilot who read back a low QNH to me in inches I'd be on a yacht in the Caribbean!
Instructions need to be passed a word at a time, one syllable at a time,.....and then EXPECT the opposite to occur.
I'm sure you all know where I'm coming from. You CANNOT regulate against this sort of buffoonery, it's our skill, experience, initiative and teamwork that keeps things on the straight and narrow - and long may it continue.
Hmmmm - I feel the force is strong on the forum tonight....Hmmm.
FredBUT...if a pressure setting is passed to a US aircraft as 999 and the pilot interprets this as 29x99 (cause it's common practice back home to drop the 2 (which I think is Gash)) then who is at fault - the one adhereing to RT protocal or the one being gash?
Maybe you'd be surprised...depends on how you define an "Area Bod", surely? I know plenty of guys at airfields who've worked area, in lots of different countries. So, had the rating? Has the rating? What's your feeling about "ALL" then? And "college"? Any thoughts?
ATCO Fred said BUT...if a pressure setting is passed to a US aircraft as 999 and the pilot interprets this as 29x99 (cause it's common practice back home to drop the 2 (which I think is Gash)) then who is at fault - the one adhereing to RT protocal or the one being gash?
Quite so - unfortunately, it would be head-in-the-sand to ignore the fact that that erroneous interpretation might be made. More to the point if a concerted effort were made to bring more of the world into line by using a common reference. In the meantime, it is rather ironic that the UK insists on emphasising "millibars" for pressures lower than 1000 (for good reason) but continues to use the term millibars (for no good reason) when the rest of the world uses "hectopascals".
Quite so - unfortunately, it would be head-in-the-sand to ignore the fact that that erroneous interpretation might be made. More to the point if a concerted effort were made to bring more of the world into line by using a common reference. In the meantime, it is rather ironic that the UK insists on emphasising "millibars" for pressures lower than 1000 (for good reason) but continues to use the term millibars (for no good reason) when the rest of the world uses "hectopascals".
