Why should we go to Swanwick?
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Hear, hear radarspod.. Far too much whinging at TC bout the move.. Mobile grade means MOBILE grade.. Doesn't mean Mobile grade (except if you have kids at exams, settled family, happy where you are, blah blah blah..)
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Maybe Nats will decide that. I will probably still be on a mobile grade. NATS will probably pay for me (and my family) to move house again. And I won't bore the t*ts off of everyone by moaning about it..
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God this is getting tedious! But there is never going to be 100% satisfaction.
Mr Jones - you are in a moblie grade - something that was made patently clear when you joined, something that you and everyone else who stayed in the company were obviously happy with at the time and therefore decided to stick around and take the fairly decent pay.
The fact that you have not been moved around and have in fact been fairly static should be considered a bonus. You are now being asked to move. Yes - you have a valid point reference the career of a partner. You will just have to do what everybody else in every other walk of life has to do... weigh up the balances and then make a decision. If that means either you or your partner switching jobs, then that is what you will have to do.
People have been happy to take good pay and conditions for years, without having the hassle of moving every couple of years. Well now, just this one time, you are being made to move. Thats what the 'mobile' part of the contract you agreed to means.
If you do not like it, thats bad luck, put up or shut up! People in NATS have been cosseted for so long they should look and see what happens in the real world. We are getting a pretty good relocation package, a hell of a lot more than someone in the Forces gets, and we get paid a hell of a lot more than people with comparable or greater responsibilities in the Forces.
Mr Jones - you are in a moblie grade - something that was made patently clear when you joined, something that you and everyone else who stayed in the company were obviously happy with at the time and therefore decided to stick around and take the fairly decent pay.
The fact that you have not been moved around and have in fact been fairly static should be considered a bonus. You are now being asked to move. Yes - you have a valid point reference the career of a partner. You will just have to do what everybody else in every other walk of life has to do... weigh up the balances and then make a decision. If that means either you or your partner switching jobs, then that is what you will have to do.
People have been happy to take good pay and conditions for years, without having the hassle of moving every couple of years. Well now, just this one time, you are being made to move. Thats what the 'mobile' part of the contract you agreed to means.
If you do not like it, thats bad luck, put up or shut up! People in NATS have been cosseted for so long they should look and see what happens in the real world. We are getting a pretty good relocation package, a hell of a lot more than someone in the Forces gets, and we get paid a hell of a lot more than people with comparable or greater responsibilities in the Forces.
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Anotherthing you make many assumptions that are incorrect.
The point I am making is the people who are "moaning" have valid points and should not be so flippantly dismissed.
All this - You know where the door is - Put up or shut up! etc etc etc. Is simply immature and unnecessary.
The point I am making is the people who are "moaning" have valid points and should not be so flippantly dismissed.
All this - You know where the door is - Put up or shut up! etc etc etc. Is simply immature and unnecessary.
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But what if your wife has a career of her own that she's not to keen on jacking in?
Is the "little woman" just supposed to follow you around?
Is the "little woman" just supposed to follow you around?
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Anotherthing you make many assumptions that are incorrect.
The point I am making is the people who are "moaning" have valid points and should not be so flippantly dismissed.
All this - You know where the door is - Put up or shut up! etc etc etc. Is simply immature and unnecessary.
The point I am making is the people who are "moaning" have valid points and should not be so flippantly dismissed.
All this - You know where the door is - Put up or shut up! etc etc etc. Is simply immature and unnecessary.
The 'you know where the door is' message is not immature. It should be unnecessary though, as the reality of a mobile contract should be apparent and such complaints about it being properly adhered to should be seen to be both unreasonable and fruitless.
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I totally agree.
My better half had to give up a fairly well paid job because of the move to Swanwick back in 2002 and did she whinge once?
Not at all, now she is a lady of leisure of course.
Easy life.
Mobile means mobile so it's tough I'm afraid. Either commute or move, you decide.
My better half had to give up a fairly well paid job because of the move to Swanwick back in 2002 and did she whinge once?
Not at all, now she is a lady of leisure of course.
Easy life.
Mobile means mobile so it's tough I'm afraid. Either commute or move, you decide.
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Reading the comments here it's little wonder NATS management is finding it so easy to roll over Prospect and decimate the T&Cs.
But we all know where the door is don't we LOL.
But we all know where the door is don't we LOL.
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Mr Jones
In the real world where I used to work (before I joined NATS), I was in a mobile grade i.e. the military.
In the course of my career, I moved to different postings on average, once every 14 months (I am being a little generous with the figures there as I am counting postings away from 'home' of 2 months or more).
I joined NATS, two of the many reasons being the better rates of pay (with no enforced unpaid secondary duties) and the fact that I would not have to move so much, despite it still being a mobile grade.
So now I am having to move to Swanwick from West Drayton.... chances are, unless I want to, or I f
k up horrendously at work, or the centre somehow collapses into a mine shaft overnight, I will never have to move job location again.
I do not think that the attitude I display of 'you know where the door is - put up or shut up' is immature. NATS staff have been lucky in that they have not had to move often in their careers, despite being in a mobile grade.
Yes, of course it will cause a bit of an upheaval, but you, Mr Jones, are not the only one that may have some issues that this move brings up, however, you knew what you signed up to, so now is the time to fulfill that part of the contract that is seldom excercised by the company.
The other option, for those who want to whinge so much, is that they can leave the company and try to find a job elsewhere that pays as well for the amount of hours we do - whether they be ATCO or Assistant.
The move is happening, if you have a whinge, see your management, but don't expect them to decide to keep West Drayton open because it inconveniences you.
In the real world where I used to work (before I joined NATS), I was in a mobile grade i.e. the military.
In the course of my career, I moved to different postings on average, once every 14 months (I am being a little generous with the figures there as I am counting postings away from 'home' of 2 months or more).
I joined NATS, two of the many reasons being the better rates of pay (with no enforced unpaid secondary duties) and the fact that I would not have to move so much, despite it still being a mobile grade.
So now I am having to move to Swanwick from West Drayton.... chances are, unless I want to, or I f
k up horrendously at work, or the centre somehow collapses into a mine shaft overnight, I will never have to move job location again.I do not think that the attitude I display of 'you know where the door is - put up or shut up' is immature. NATS staff have been lucky in that they have not had to move often in their careers, despite being in a mobile grade.
Yes, of course it will cause a bit of an upheaval, but you, Mr Jones, are not the only one that may have some issues that this move brings up, however, you knew what you signed up to, so now is the time to fulfill that part of the contract that is seldom excercised by the company.
The other option, for those who want to whinge so much, is that they can leave the company and try to find a job elsewhere that pays as well for the amount of hours we do - whether they be ATCO or Assistant.
The move is happening, if you have a whinge, see your management, but don't expect them to decide to keep West Drayton open because it inconveniences you.
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Sorry, was typing my last rant whilst you posted your last comment Mr Jones...
So remind me again who is immature and unnecessary?
This move is not decimating any T and Cs, it is excercising part of a contract that you signed up to however many years ago and now, for once, have to fulfill.
I will gladly fight management for any proposed decimation in T&Cs, but a move of workplace, for a mobile grade, does not quite amount to that!
You agreed to a contract - you cannot pick and choose what parts of it you want to honour then expect the company to treat you with kid gloves!
Reading the comments here it's little wonder NATS management is finding it so easy to roll over Prospect and decimate the T&Cs.
But we all know where the door is don't we LOL.
But we all know where the door is don't we LOL.
This move is not decimating any T and Cs, it is excercising part of a contract that you signed up to however many years ago and now, for once, have to fulfill.
I will gladly fight management for any proposed decimation in T&Cs, but a move of workplace, for a mobile grade, does not quite amount to that!
You agreed to a contract - you cannot pick and choose what parts of it you want to honour then expect the company to treat you with kid gloves!
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i for one am welcoming the move down the road.
yes, my other half is making a huge sacrifice moving away from all her friends and family... not to mention the whole 'job' problem, but weve managed to sort something out.
personally getting away from the m25 and west drayton in general does more than appeal to me.
i can understand, and have a few colleagues here who are having problems with kids, wives, schools, jobs etc.... but id imagine in a year or two it will all have settled down and we will have something else to moan about.
we ARE a mobile grade, bite the bullet, come to terms that you will have to move and get on with it. its not going to please everyone, but it is going to happen. either commute or move. pretty simple really.......
W
yes, my other half is making a huge sacrifice moving away from all her friends and family... not to mention the whole 'job' problem, but weve managed to sort something out.
personally getting away from the m25 and west drayton in general does more than appeal to me.
i can understand, and have a few colleagues here who are having problems with kids, wives, schools, jobs etc.... but id imagine in a year or two it will all have settled down and we will have something else to moan about.
we ARE a mobile grade, bite the bullet, come to terms that you will have to move and get on with it. its not going to please everyone, but it is going to happen. either commute or move. pretty simple really.......
W
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Red Dragon,
in answer to part of your question, I believe trainees are being posted to LACC and being 'detached' to TC. I guess mileage is cheaper than moving. Whether there is a training delay at TC i don't know i'm afraid.
WW
in answer to part of your question, I believe trainees are being posted to LACC and being 'detached' to TC. I guess mileage is cheaper than moving. Whether there is a training delay at TC i don't know i'm afraid.
WW
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I can't believe this is allowed to drag on here. It's 100% Nats, could it please be moved?
In the real world you don't get to pick and choose which parts of the contact you accept. What makes you lot so special?
In the real world you don't get to pick and choose which parts of the contact you accept. What makes you lot so special?
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Please Move Us To Swanwick Nats Pls Pls Pls
I might change the tack of this thread slightly
PLEASE NATS MOVE US TO SWANWICK!
Id take the payrise, the relocation package and an ops room with proper equipment in it, good support in ops. Anything to get away from the rubbish equipment we get at our Nats Airfield and APR unit.
You make me sick!
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PLEASE NATS MOVE US TO SWANWICK!
Id take the payrise, the relocation package and an ops room with proper equipment in it, good support in ops. Anything to get away from the rubbish equipment we get at our Nats Airfield and APR unit.
I wonder if an ATCO would be happy having a 'Royal' colleague if they couldn't validate? (apart from 'Fergie' of course 'cos she's a bit hot!)
TIO