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Old 2nd Jun 2007, 10:07
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Very questionable, given the number of experienced Area controllers who applied...

but then again...

Australian Enroute is slowly being re-engineered into an environment where every aircraft runs on rails and is held up vertically rather than vectored for unrestricted climb/descent, Procedural control techniques and calculations that have been in use for years are now considered to be adding unnecessary workload and there is only one solution to every problem.

...just don't mention the thunderstorms.
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Old 3rd Jun 2007, 00:12
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LAT-C tool. 3 clicks to happiness. What is a spanner?
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Old 3rd Jun 2007, 02:07
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Old 3rd Jun 2007, 05:38
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From crikey.com.au (subscription version) 1/6/2007
"Airservices Australia's attempts to recruit controllers from overseas under the sponsored VISA conditions (due to an apparent skills shortage) is about to become unstuck as a result of a corporate restructure whereby up to 101 controllers are "potentially surplus" (see the Civil Air vs Airservices Australia) AIRC decision (7 May 2007) declaring all affected by the restructure potentially surplus effective 2 February 2007 and subsequently entitled to voluntary redundancy unless jobs are found at the same level/location; but those jobs don't exist under the restructure as the whole level is being absorbed both up and down in a "flattening" of management process. Whoops, watch this space."
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Old 3rd Jun 2007, 07:59
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Request for information.

AUSTRALIAN CITIZENS AND PERMANENT RESIDENTS.
OK guys enough of this rumouring and conjecture.
In an attempt to gather information on how bad Air Services Australia may have screwed up the process and abrogated the rights of ATCOs both Australian Citizens and Permanent Residents could anyone that either applied for a positon prior to or as a result of the "Global Search..." please email the address below.
If you know of others that applied please pass on the contact email address.
The email address, after verification of an idividuals identity, will be conducted as a closed forum for the exchange of relevant information and determine courses of action for redress either collectively or individually.
EMAIL: .... ozexpatatc@hotmail
To all others please ... this is not an exercise in bias or discrimination ... you would be taking the same actions if your "National Employer" and government was denying you the right to work in your own country by employing foriegn nationals.
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Old 3rd Jun 2007, 08:52
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If AsA have gone from needing around 50 atcs to having a surplus of 100 then they really have achieved the holy grail of staffing.
Somehow I doubt it.
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Old 3rd Jun 2007, 09:16
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If that surplus of 100 were true, bear in mind that all of those deemed surplus would be entitled to... and a number of them would elect to take... Voluntary Redundancy (a defined severance pay package in addition to any leave credits that each person may have left).
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Old 3rd Jun 2007, 09:52
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all wang no bang

Hey TossaWang,
If you had not been over the hill you would have got an offer.
Take your zimmer and shove it!!
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 00:46
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If AsA have gone from needing around 50 atcs to having a surplus of 100 then they really have achieved the holy grail of staffing.
Somehow I doubt it.
They keep telling us that they don't want any Team Leaders (or other names meaning the same) to go and they will find jobs for them; but the problem is Airservices does actually have to follow the law. The relevant law (Certified Agreement and Workplace relations ACT) is you can only be redeployed if you choose to be if it's not to the same level/location, or you can get VR.

If you were a Team Leader over 50 and they are offering you a $220K+ payout; would you go now for 75 weeks wages when you were going in 2 years anyway?

They are desperate for staff, granted, but it may be more desperate than originally forecast if they lose some to VR.
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 10:12
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...and, what greater incentive would there be for a Team Leader at/over 50 who could afford to put that $220K+ payout into Superannuation (an Australian's private pension fund)... maybe top that up with the funds from selling a poor-performing investment rental or... and thereby take advantage of Peter Costello's election carrot allowance of a one-off, up to $1,000,000 self-contribution to your superannuation fund.


So, the Team Leader sitting at his Aisle Supervisor desk starts pondering...

Hmm... bull share market (with no likely end in sight thanks to China) vs. predictions of falling property markets in certain areas of Australia...

Hmm... I can afford to put the $1,000,000 into Superannuation because my family & I have secure income until I turn 60...

Hmm... compound interest.


Or, I could continue to work for Airservices Australia.

Hmm... endless days free to work on my hobby... fish... sail... ride... do nothing... absolutely nothing.


Or, I could continue to work for Airservices Australia.

Hmm... change career to a completely different job with a happy work environment.


Or, I could continue to work for Airservices Australia.

Hmm... take advantage of the world-wide shortage of Air Traffic Controllers and have a paid working holiday somewhere exotic.


Or, I could continue to work for Airservices Australia.

Hmm...
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 11:32
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I'll take the VR now thanks. However, I could help you out by staying for 2 years as long as I get the VR then
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Old 6th Jun 2007, 01:44
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A dude from here in Winnipeg Center starts very soon in Brisbane.

He's gonna send me back some Bundy
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Old 6th Jun 2007, 03:35
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Hey puss nuts, tell him to look me up.
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Old 6th Jun 2007, 03:55
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Seeing as he works North procedural airspace, I'm guessing he'll be working with you skinny-boy.
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Old 7th Jun 2007, 09:07
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It appears have gone quiet for those ATCO's who were Globally Searched months ago.

Do we have any idea when the offers will go out?

Or has everyone waisted their time?

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Old 7th Jun 2007, 16:13
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We've been told that the courses are being finalized and we'll be told soon. That's as much as we know. So we sit around and wait, and you know how patient atcs are........ not.

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Old 7th Jun 2007, 16:54
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Some more guy's got Dear Johny's! (sorry to hear that guys)
Like the Bok i am also waiting with lots and lots and lots more patience!
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Old 7th Jun 2007, 22:56
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The sponsored Visa issue is casuing all sorts of concerns...

They have been knocking back internal and external "Australian" (citizens and people with preminent residency status) applicants because there are more suitable applicants (for whatever reason); but then it's hard to run the argument that the "Sponsored Visa's" are required as the talent isn't available here already; when cleary it is to some extent.

Perhaps they have to 'exhaust' all the "locals" first, even though they don't want to.

The conversion course is going to be 'enroute only' and for some that have worked nothing but TMA or Towers there may be zero advantage when you consider all the costs involved and the higher wages to be paid than just taking someone off the street.

I suspect there is much water to go under this little bridge.
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Old 8th Jun 2007, 03:23
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"more suitable than"

...controllers who have held TAAATS endorsements, have instructed other controllers in TAAATS, have extensive experience in the provision of Air Traffic Control services in Australian airspace, are currently exercising Area ratings in high traffic environments and are Australian citizens.


It gives a whole new meaning to the term... overqualified.

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Old 8th Jun 2007, 10:08
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Given the time that has lapsed since the process began, it's worth pondering where the operational environment would be today if the Australian controllers who applied from overseas with Area ratings had been immediately re-employed (without aptitude testing)... they'd have completed classroom, simulator and OJT and be holding down a line on the roster.
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