What do you know about SACTA???

[BDiONU]

Originally Posted by BALIX

I'd rather see the new place equiped with the BARCO displays we have on the TMA and Deancross. They are more user friendly than the Node displays for a start.
Still, that's progress for you...

But you will have the new displays, node is to do with the radar processing, LACC uses node and are upgrading to new screens.

BD

[BDiONU]

Originally Posted by London Mil

BD, I suppose the real question should be - does the change of system affect the manner in which we will do business? Certainly for the military, SATCA was going to generate a new CONOPs/MOPs; will this have to be re-visited?

I dare say, bit too early to know exactly how things are going to be different. At least you should now get EDDUS in ScOACC

BD

[BDiONU]

Originally Posted by Stupendous Man

I look forward to the announcements about who is being held accountable over this farce. If any ATCO/ATSA did their job as badly as the people running this we'd be out on our arses.

The answer is quite political.

Brand new flagship centre - one half of NATS' 2 centre strategy and we get to use archaic equipment.

Why do you think that? You'll have all the new shiny Gucci kit and the wiggly amp bits will be the same as LACC/TC will be using.

BD

[Stupendous Man]

Originally Posted by BDiONU

For ATC it'll Essentially be all new, you can see a prototype of the workstation with all its displays,strip printer etc at Prestwick. Not sure why people think that old equipment from previous units would be re-used.
BD

Well certainly guys at MACC and other people at Scottish seem to think that when TC moves to LACC we'll be getting their kit.

[Minesapint]

In my opinion the 'old' part of NAS is the ATC interface. New NODE displays with VSL and SFL (Mode S thingies in use at TC), electronic strippery etc and you will not even know that you are talking to NAS at all.

Like I said, NAS is older than SACTA but streets ahead in usability in very complex airspace, flexibility and upgradability.

Will heads roll over this cock up, rumoured to have cost £130M? I doubt it. Chances are that they will be "re-deployed" so that they can make the same expensive mess all over again, and that will be the third time for some of them!

[BDiONU]

Originally Posted by Stupendous Man

Well certainly guys at MACC and other people at Scottish seem to think that when TC moves to LACC we'll be getting their kit.

Thats really not feasible. Never mind the age of the kit in TC (which means its much more likely to break if its moved) or the lack of spares and maintainability it just wouldn't make sense. The Ops room should be configured as it will be for when SACTA (or whatever) comes in. It would be impossible to replace something with the new workstations then, it has to be done when the Ops room is built (and wired up).
Sounds like someone has the wrong end of the stick and the rumour mill is spreading it.

BD

[Minesapint]

Above is true but there is probably some bean counter out there trying to make a name for themselves

I expect the same kit that TC is moving onto with VSL etc - nothing less! Rumour is that TC may be getting electronic strips in 2011(?) Add that to your shopping list!

[Stupendous Man]

Originally Posted by BDiONU

Sounds like someone has the wrong end of the stick and the rumour mill is spreading it.
BD

Fair enough - and I stand corrected.
Its obviously an emotive issue amongst the troops - and yet again there is a lack of communication with regard to the impact this is going to have - good or bad.

But I'd still like to know is whoever has been in charge going to be held accountable for this........

[BDiONU]

Originally Posted by Stupendous Man

Fair enough - and I stand corrected.
Its obviously an emotive issue amongst the troops - and yet again there is a lack of communication with regard to the impact this is going to have - good or bad.

Probably 'the management' were too busy wondering how to word the statement to think about how what they've said will be implemented. I'd hope that more positive info would be disseminated as soon as, but knowing how details get overlooked.....

But I'd still like to know is whoever has been in charge going to be held accountable for this........

As I say its political and you'd need to look outside of UK.

BD

[Spamcan defender]

OMG!!, thats not a weather radar overlay is it . I'd give my right arm (OK, my left as I write with my right ) for some of that in TC!!!.
Why is it that everyone else gets the nice toys .



Spamcan

[London Mil]

It might be a wx overlay but the whole workstation looks like a dogs dinner!

[Gonzo]

Looks a lot better than our new tower positions!

[Minesapint]

I suppose that the difference is that what they are getting works

[Air.Farce.1]

Look on the bright side, the ATSA's will probably have a job for the next 10 years. Moral at Scottish has improved no end, and "Spanish night out" p*ss ups are being organised!
We might not have the new toys in PC, but at least the ATSA staff will have jobs.
Just wondering how we should make use of all those Spanish lessons we had at Scottish ,
I know, we could become waiters in the wonderful New Canteen (target date May '07 )

Viva Espana

[Minesapint]

To me it looks like people continually forgot things and added them later, its a real mess.

[Air.Farce.1]

NATS shares

Originally Posted by BDiONU

The answer is quite political.
Why do you think that? You'll have all the new shiny Gucci kit and the wiggly amp bits will be the same as LACC/TC will be using.
BD

As a NATS shareholder, should I not be informed as to whom is responsible for this mess!
ps
does anyone want to buy my shares

[DisplayMan]

Originally Posted by London Mil

It might be a wx overlay but the whole workstation looks like a dogs dinner!

The photo does look like a dogs dinner but the workstations look not so bad in reality...
Having said that, I think the desk-stype positions planed for NP are rather better but that it is only my opinion and I am sure that some will rubbish them.

[London Mil]

In terms of our relationship with Aena, NATS will now not be proceeding with the Joint Venture to develop SACTA under its original format. However, we continue to explore areas of mutual interest for collaborative product development.

The King is dead, long live the King.

[ER_BN]

Originally Posted by London Mil

The King is dead, long live the King.

London MIL,

From a galaxy far far away, but having looked at the SACTA functionality I could read into this you are saying NATS/AENA SACTA ain't happening.

Can you or anyone else in the "local cluster" confirm exactly??

Thanks,

ER_BN

[Minesapint]

I have heard plan B...... Ye gods will they never learn! Well, to answer my own question - NO. They have had two goes at this (yes 2) and have now been given a third. The current plan is 'challenging' to say the very least.