What do you know about SACTA???
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One point worth considering concerning the number of shutdowns/DD&C is conntected to the rate of systems change, which is simply phenominal. You want to upgrade something you gotta shut it down.
To quote a colleague who works there the Maastricht system is "garbage"; again for France, Merde! Guys, you ops controllers are all the same! You do a terrific job but FDP is as much of a job as being a controller - its ^&%$)(g complicated stuff. When a system does not meet your needs offer to make it better, suggest improvements. If 'management' won't let you - write to the chief exec and let him know.......... If he fails to listen then we are doomed!
I like what (I have heard) the Swiss are doing. They are chopping their change programme down to a managable level comensurate with their available resources. What a wonderful idea! If NATS did that we could go back to having one job each instead of my current four!
To quote a colleague who works there the Maastricht system is "garbage"; again for France, Merde! Guys, you ops controllers are all the same! You do a terrific job but FDP is as much of a job as being a controller - its ^&%$)(g complicated stuff. When a system does not meet your needs offer to make it better, suggest improvements. If 'management' won't let you - write to the chief exec and let him know.......... If he fails to listen then we are doomed!
I like what (I have heard) the Swiss are doing. They are chopping their change programme down to a managable level comensurate with their available resources. What a wonderful idea! If NATS did that we could go back to having one job each instead of my current four!
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I work with the SACTA everyday. If you have any practical questions, I may help, but I am not a technician, just an ATC whith basic software/hardware knowledge.
Regards from the sun,
Á.
PD. By the way, I like the system. We have two nights ago changed (at the same time in the whole country besides Canary Islands !) from version 3.4 to 3.5, and there were some local problems, but worked well.
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PD. By the way, I like the system. We have two nights ago changed (at the same time in the whole country besides Canary Islands !) from version 3.4 to 3.5, and there were some local problems, but worked well.
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As the Spanish seem to be retreating from any hint of collaboration we could go direct to INDRA and have SACTA in time for PC 
As for FDP we could buy the version DFS are working on with INDRA There's a common thread developing here that doesn't include the letters L or M
BD
As for FDP we could buy the version DFS are working on with INDRA There's a common thread developing here that doesn't include the letters L or M BD
I just love optimism. In the meantime, I'm quite happy with the stuff we already have.
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At least when the Manch boys ( and girls ) come to PC they wont have to learn a new system because they will be bringing their old one with them
Well done NATS. ATC in the 21st Century.
Can we have the locus 16 back please????
AyrTC
Well done NATS. ATC in the 21st Century.
Can we have the locus 16 back please????
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NAS is round 33 years old - if you take the original. Its in 21 (I think?) centres in the USA and has been continually developed to deal with the busiest airspace in the world.
SACTA is 20 years old and has not.
That is why its boned.
Its a bit competing in the Porshe GT series in a Mondeo diesel.
SACTA is 20 years old and has not.
That is why its boned.
Its a bit competing in the Porshe GT series in a Mondeo diesel.
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Love the way that our earstwhile managers have tried to put a positive spin on it - this is good news as the Manchester boys won't have the stress of retraining to add to the stress of moving 200 miles north.
If I were a Manchester controller, I'd be seething - not only would I have to move somewhere I would rather not be but when I got there I'd be using the same old pishy equipment that I'd left behind. So what exactly is the point of moving?
Still, we are told the canteen will be nice
If I were a Manchester controller, I'd be seething - not only would I have to move somewhere I would rather not be but when I got there I'd be using the same old pishy equipment that I'd left behind. So what exactly is the point of moving?
Still, we are told the canteen will be nice
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I look forward to the announcements about who is being held accountable over this farce. If any ATCO/ATSA did their job as badly as the people running this we'd be out on our arses.
Brand new flagship centre - one half of NATS' 2 centre strategy and we get to use archaic equipment.
Brand new flagship centre - one half of NATS' 2 centre strategy and we get to use archaic equipment.
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I meant archaic as in old suites, displays and equipment. How long has that kit been at TC?
Sadly it'll still be better than the stuff we have to use at Scottish at the minute (costs too much to use anything from the 1980s onwards you see - especially when we are getting a nice shiny new building and equipment therein......oops).
Still at least we'll all feel valued and recognised when we get our hand-me-downs sent up in an aid parcel.
And what are the plans for the future? Or are we going to be left with the TC/MACC kit??
Sadly it'll still be better than the stuff we have to use at Scottish at the minute (costs too much to use anything from the 1980s onwards you see - especially when we are getting a nice shiny new building and equipment therein......oops).
Still at least we'll all feel valued and recognised when we get our hand-me-downs sent up in an aid parcel.
And what are the plans for the future? Or are we going to be left with the TC/MACC kit??
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Not so sure it is any better than what we've got at Scottish at the moment. Sure, the size of the display is better than the dreadful Skyline displays we have but I'd rather see the new place equiped with the BARCO displays we have on the TMA and Deancross. They are more user friendly than the Node displays for a start.
Still, that's progress for you...
Still, that's progress for you...
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I meant archaic as in old suites, displays and equipment. How long has that kit been at TC?
Sadly it'll still be better than the stuff we have to use at Scottish at the minute (costs too much to use anything from the 1980s onwards you see - especially when we are getting a nice shiny new building and equipment therein......oops).
Still at least we'll all feel valued and recognised when we get our hand-me-downs sent up in an aid parcel.
And what are the plans for the future? Or are we going to be left with the TC/MACC kit??
Sadly it'll still be better than the stuff we have to use at Scottish at the minute (costs too much to use anything from the 1980s onwards you see - especially when we are getting a nice shiny new building and equipment therein......oops).
Still at least we'll all feel valued and recognised when we get our hand-me-downs sent up in an aid parcel.
And what are the plans for the future? Or are we going to be left with the TC/MACC kit??
BD