SERCO to meet the Unions
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From an unidentified source:-
Today there was a mass resignation at Bailbrook College
6 instructors resigned today from Serco's training establishment
Bailbrook college in Bath
the instructor consisted of 4 UK and 2 ICAO instructors
of the uk instructors 2 of them are the only verifiers of UK aerodrome
Courses of which one is due to start in 2 weeks time.
There were also 4 blip drivers that also resigned these 4 would be the most
experianced
it is belived that they are all going to the new college opening up in
cwmbran sth wales
serco also has major stafing problems at Scatsta with the last satco being
removed from his position for a missident on radar and a subsequent airprox.
it is also belived that there are staffing problems at Oxford.
it should be noted that theonly major airport contract that serco (in the Uk
) has held was Liverpool this was always understafed and as such they lost
the contract.
Today there was a mass resignation at Bailbrook College
6 instructors resigned today from Serco's training establishment
Bailbrook college in Bath
the instructor consisted of 4 UK and 2 ICAO instructors
of the uk instructors 2 of them are the only verifiers of UK aerodrome
Courses of which one is due to start in 2 weeks time.
There were also 4 blip drivers that also resigned these 4 would be the most
experianced
it is belived that they are all going to the new college opening up in
cwmbran sth wales
serco also has major stafing problems at Scatsta with the last satco being
removed from his position for a missident on radar and a subsequent airprox.
it is also belived that there are staffing problems at Oxford.
it should be noted that theonly major airport contract that serco (in the Uk
) has held was Liverpool this was always understafed and as such they lost
the contract.
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SC,
The Australian example isn't the only one.. here are a few more...
http://jinx.sistm.unsw.edu.au/~green.../255/255p6.htm
(see last but one paragraph)
http://www.edwarddavey.co.uk/news78.htm
http://www.nlfl.nf.ca/psacgoose.htm
http://www.psac.com/COMM/NEWS/1999/63-0699-e.htm
last two relate to the same story.
If this is the way that Serco treats their employees and customers, is it any wonder we don't want them as our Strategic Partners?
The Australian example isn't the only one.. here are a few more...
http://jinx.sistm.unsw.edu.au/~green.../255/255p6.htm
(see last but one paragraph)
http://www.edwarddavey.co.uk/news78.htm
http://www.nlfl.nf.ca/psacgoose.htm
http://www.psac.com/COMM/NEWS/1999/63-0699-e.htm
last two relate to the same story.
If this is the way that Serco treats their employees and customers, is it any wonder we don't want them as our Strategic Partners?
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A brief searchof the FAA website revealed Serco has the contracts to run:
Hawaii, Guam, Sai Pan,
There will be more just didn't have the time to trawl through the database, it doesn't look like they run any of the major places, so I can't see where SC gets his many millions of movements figures!!!
Sounds like typical a typical Septic full of his own self importance
Edited for spelling!!
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Hawaii, Guam, Sai Pan,
There will be more just didn't have the time to trawl through the database, it doesn't look like they run any of the major places, so I can't see where SC gets his many millions of movements figures!!!
Sounds like typical a typical Septic full of his own self importance
Edited for spelling!!
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Turn left heading 230, close from the left, report established
[This message has been edited by form49 (edited 28 February 2001).]
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Bit of a side issue to the original post, but with reference to Webcreators post regarding the wholesale desertion of SERCOs college, (where - ever it may be now), I understand that one of the former senior instructors, (Andy Cook?) is in the process of setting up his own ATC College, and has applied for CAA approvals to start this summer. Good luck to them.
Could the two be linked???????
Note that Serco Controller is a retired FAA ATCO, probably quite happy to earn a minimal wage leading up to retirement. What he seems to be ignorant of, is the fact that SERCO love people like him because they can fulfill contracts, and pay the younger staff who have major commitments, sod all.
Just as well you don't work in the UK S/c, we younger brown noses wouldn't get a look in!
Could the two be linked???????
Note that Serco Controller is a retired FAA ATCO, probably quite happy to earn a minimal wage leading up to retirement. What he seems to be ignorant of, is the fact that SERCO love people like him because they can fulfill contracts, and pay the younger staff who have major commitments, sod all.
Just as well you don't work in the UK S/c, we younger brown noses wouldn't get a look in!
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There seems to be a lot of worry from atc workers about Serco. I believe deservedly so. There seems to be a lot of reassurance being given to those workers by either non or retired atc workers,( the FAA worker, ret'd). I may be not as well informed as I should be but doesn't a lot of this worry stem from the uncertainty about the future for the current atc worker, his terms, provision of safety, etc? I believe it is therefore inappropriate for people who are either outside of the industry or retired from it to try to placate the genuine anger felt or to suppress the worry felt by current atc workers. If Serco are successful in their bid for Nats, I am sure that we all in for a devastating change to our working and subsequent home/family life. There seems to exist a 'grey area' where people speculate about the change and rumours fly uncontrolled. The truth I suspect is that we are all in the dark a wee bit about how these coming changes will affect us all and it is this which creates a lot of the worries.We all seem to have the feeling that wheels are moving within wheels which we know nothing about. The days of feeling untouchable are well and truly over. We are up for grabs.wether we like it or not.This fact coupled with the debacle which has been NERC, the staff re-locations, sometimes onto and then back from new locations in the hope of Nerc coming online does not instill faith in our managers at present. Is it any wonder that we treat any new management organisation with suspicion.We are understaffed, I believe underpaid, occassionally overworked due staffing, re-located needlessly, expected to take on more movements with often substandard equipment or malfunctioning equipment, ie RWY2 at EGCC, and then kept in the dark about our futures.
So to all of the placaters, Ex FAA controllers who are trying to assure us the SERCO are marvellous, hidden SERCO players in this game, etc.Please listen
We are responsible, intelligent individuals who value what we do and the lifestyle that it provides for us. We are not lazy, greedy,scaremongeres who are afraid of change.
We would just like to know what that change may be, how it will actually effect us and those around us, and how we can ensure that although change is surely coming; that is it the best, safest and most agreeable to all the workers who will be most directly effected by it.
So to all of the placaters, Ex FAA controllers who are trying to assure us the SERCO are marvellous, hidden SERCO players in this game, etc.Please listen
We are responsible, intelligent individuals who value what we do and the lifestyle that it provides for us. We are not lazy, greedy,scaremongeres who are afraid of change.
We would just like to know what that change may be, how it will actually effect us and those around us, and how we can ensure that although change is surely coming; that is it the best, safest and most agreeable to all the workers who will be most directly effected by it.
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I gather that yesterdays meeting between SERCO and the unions was in stark contrast to the first one in the new year. They (SERCO) were apparantly quite alarmed of the public backing of the Airline bid by the unions that they did some backtracking to allay union fears for the future. I know little more than that.
In my opinion, SERCO showed their true colours first time round and as we have all seen here for the last two months, very little that anyone has said gives any NATS employees any confidence for their own futures if SERCO get their hands on us. Its a bit late SERCO coming to the unions to move the goalposts just because they see the writing on the wall for their bid. I just hope none of us are fooled with any fancy talk from them now, because it certainly won't last for very long in the future.
In my opinion, SERCO showed their true colours first time round and as we have all seen here for the last two months, very little that anyone has said gives any NATS employees any confidence for their own futures if SERCO get their hands on us. Its a bit late SERCO coming to the unions to move the goalposts just because they see the writing on the wall for their bid. I just hope none of us are fooled with any fancy talk from them now, because it certainly won't last for very long in the future.
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Had a brief chat last night with a friend who is an FAA controller at a large facility in SW USA. He says that SERCo are bidding for just about every non FAA tower going and he has heard "Nothing good about them".
The guy is a NATCA safety rep so his words carry some weight.
The guy is a NATCA safety rep so his words carry some weight.
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Having just read all of the above i wanted to contribute my own views on SERCO (otherwise known as Sack Everyone Re-employ Cheaper Or-else).However not being particularly gifted with the urge to type for hours i thought i would try to distill my views into one word.....ARSE! (my apologies to the easily offended and SERCO lackys)
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I just happen to be a Serco controller on their biggest contract in the Middle East. Let me start by saying that the movement figure quoted by my US serco colleague is quite correct as it is published in our company mag and is also public knowledge. However, this is where I have to stop praising Serco. Fact is, at least here in the Midlle East, Serco management is a bunch of clowns and the only reason they do so well outside the Uk is that they employ well qualified controllers from around the world (US, UK, South africa, Aus, NZ, Sweden , Denmark etc.) and these are the guys that keep the money comming in. In order for them to bid for the Nats contract in the Uk, all of us earning the beans were salary capped - about the equivalent of 32 000 UK Sterling.
Serco does not like to employ "families", they prefer bachelors or single ladies. That way they can save more money by paying less on medical, accomodation and various other benefits. If you are loyal to them and begin to earn a reasonable pay, they "(1) cap your pay (2) fire you (3) or make it unbearable for you so that you leave out of your own free will (4) give you early retirement. This is just what they want - they can get somebody cheaper to fill the seat as they are paid per controller. It makes more sense to employ somebody for a max period of 5 years than say 25 years - salary is getting to much, pension payouts to much, gratuity to much etc etc. I see this everyday of my life , so be warned! They have cut cost around every corner to bid for NATS and we feel it downstream in many many ways! They have just send our manager on early retirement because he had a different management style than those who "think they know it all". Serco are there own watchdogs, so nothing can go wrong for them. I can go on and on, but fact is, if you are desperate enough as I am, only then will you put up with Serco "management" or total lack thereof!
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Serco does not like to employ "families", they prefer bachelors or single ladies. That way they can save more money by paying less on medical, accomodation and various other benefits. If you are loyal to them and begin to earn a reasonable pay, they "(1) cap your pay (2) fire you (3) or make it unbearable for you so that you leave out of your own free will (4) give you early retirement. This is just what they want - they can get somebody cheaper to fill the seat as they are paid per controller. It makes more sense to employ somebody for a max period of 5 years than say 25 years - salary is getting to much, pension payouts to much, gratuity to much etc etc. I see this everyday of my life , so be warned! They have cut cost around every corner to bid for NATS and we feel it downstream in many many ways! They have just send our manager on early retirement because he had a different management style than those who "think they know it all". Serco are there own watchdogs, so nothing can go wrong for them. I can go on and on, but fact is, if you are desperate enough as I am, only then will you put up with Serco "management" or total lack thereof!
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Good on you 'fart', at last someone at the sharp end who is prepared to use this forum to tell it like it is. Like you said the management 'make it unbearable for you so that you leave out of your own free will', that's why I left; total lack of commitment to the profession, both in safety and standards - just after the money and keeping the client happy (never advise against their decisions, no matter how unsafe, or you may lose the contract). As you so rightly say, they were able to employ someone at a far cheaper cost than myself, so there was no request to reconsider my descision to leave. The now 'retired' manager was the only one in management who was prepared to stand up for us as workers, in the company's relentless persuit of greater profits. DXB will be a poorer place without him. Keep faith, nothing stays the same for long!
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My views are personal and DEFINITELY don't reflect those of my employer!
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karimba ...you don't seem to understand ATC ...there are only a certain amount of places ATC people can work...and there are only a certain amount of people to be in the right place with the right validations.SERCO have come in to the airport/aerodrome end of the market and have gained many contracts in the US,many of the airports do not control major airlines etc .The guys who work in the Middle East do work major airlines etc,and work for SERCO are now opening up...its great to see ...we in the UK have a good idea what life would be like and now you are seeing the real life experiences and these guys deserve a pat on the back for probably putting themselves in the firing line.