Stansted-4

[pamann]

Are they continuing with the shoreline check-in reconfiguration of the landside departures area?

[STN406]

Not going to be for a while yet. Only operational essential work will take place. No new projects will begin.
The most recent major project was the completion of the new hold baggage system (HBS) final testing is still in going.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

G-ANPK

Thanks so much!

[southside bobby]

Adding to above... the Stansted £70m four year baggage system revamp has been completed ahead of schedule...speeded up due pandemic.

[Harrych]

MAG have won their appeal to build two new taxiway and nine new aircraft stands and grow passenger numbers to 43 milllion per annum.

[southside bobby]

Congratulations to MAG for staying with the principals/arguments & plans that had previously been approved by UDC...resulting now in heavy costs awarded against the council after rogue elements there defied their own & other expert neutral legal counsel.

Will give RYR/EXS greater confidence in planning base up scaling in the future along with helping new operators plan.

[SKOJB]

Would imagine this decision will also give hope to those airports looking for future expansion!

[southside bobby]

...Yes maybe...but No probably.

[southside bobby]

Ryanair resume STN-Plovdiv on 4.6.21 at 2pw...days1&5.

[southside bobby]

Nice to see TOM on the FAO run today...

[STN406]

Very good first flight back, posn from Faro and then a retune with Pax out. be good to see them keep it going. And hopefully Gradually TUI add a gradual service from here.

[southside bobby]

RYR increasing STN schedules with 24 departures & 6 arrivals to 0820 this morning.

More interesting widebodies yesterday included a "Reunion" B788 to Hangar12...also 2 C17 Globemasters` USAF arriving in short order in support of POTUS.

[STN406]

Ryanair will have over 100 flights inbound and outbound tomorrow. A massive increase to flights from what we’ve had operating in previous weeks.

Also we are due to have an Airbus A330-700 Beluga in
tomorrow from TLS at 09:30 and will preform 4 touch and go’s. This was booked for today 1st but was cancelled.

[FRatSTN]

FRatSTN

Sharm el Sheikh has been added for Summer 22 which fills the previously missing Sunday afternoon rotation. The route is actually planned to start on 7 Nov as part of the Winter 21 season.

[JW95]

With LS planning on reinstating their STN based operations from later this month, will satellite 1 be reopening (in addition to the transit system)?. Saying that, I reckon the more likely scenario will be that the upper level of satellite 2 (gates 20-39) is reopened and LS operations are temporarily based there, perhaps with the use of the lower level (gates 81-88)? Presumably FR still have plenty of room given current schedules in satellite 3, essentially leaving all remaining airlines usually based in satellite 1 in satellite 2.

[STN406]

SAT1 will not be reopened for the time being. Jet2 have pushed back planned recommencing of operations to the 1st July now.
The TTS will begin running for passengers again tomorrow (Monday 7th) for Gates 20-39 (SAT2) only, the TTS will stop at 1-19 (SAT1) but barriers and signage is in place to stop passengers accessing the upper levels.
The plan is for SAT1 to reopen when Jet2 recommence operations, but this will be dependent on which destination they fly to, to begin with as if it’s not substantial amount of flights, then the reopening of SAT1 would be non beneficial for the airport point of view.

[southside bobby]

Revealed in the latest consultations/proposals for improving flow into STN & LTN through the present common airspace & holding stacks STN will retain the two currently shared stacks at LOREL & ABBOT for its own exclusive use & LTN will have one...unnamed at present above Huntingdon.

[pabely]

That has always been on the cards which has been published by NATS & CAA for a few years now https://consultations.airspacechange.co.uk/london-luton-airport/ad6_luton_arrivals/

[southside bobby]

Yes of course but possibly another step toward fruition...As indicated has been mooted for a long time.

[davidjohnson6]

PLAY Iceland are due to open a route from Stanstedto Reykjavik-Keflavik in 8 days time. Fares are currently rather low

I know EU261 exists.... but anyone have thoughts as to whether this route really will start on 24 June or might instead be delayed ?

[AirportPlanner1]

I wouldn’t have said the fares are stupidly low, about £80 minimum with no proper carry-on but mostly £20-30 more than that. Hopefully with Iceland being green list and still accepting us this will do OK particularly because more and more people will be meeting the two-jab requirement.

[CabinCrewe]

ive seen very little publicity or marketing for Play. Noone will have heard of them, which in the best of times would not be great. It was snowing in Iceland the other day which is not attractive in summer. Plus others may think its just Wow MkII. I suspect very low loads.

[Harrych]

Unsurprisingly Emirates now postponed until 27 March 22.

[southside bobby]

Deliveries...

Ultimately boosting STN...

RYR's Ist "gamechanger" B737-8200 enroute DUB from Seattle.
PLAY's 1st A321NEO delivered into KEF yesterday ready for ops with its very red media grabbing livery.

[AirportPlanner1]

It was snowing in Iceland the other day which is not attractive in summer.

Although summer is peak season and the only time the whole country is accessible, pre-Covid it was served by I think 5-6 airlines from a number of UK airports plus cruises. Perhaps not everyone’s cup of tea if you want a hot beach but clearly a lot of people are more than happy to go

[southside bobby]

Totally agreed..."snowing in Iceland the other day" is rather futile in arguing the case against a schedule.

[inOban]

I think that there will be lots going to look at the lava spreading over the land only a few km from Reykjavik.

[LGS6753]

KEF is well served from LTN by the better-known Wizz and EZY. I have received emails from Play, but with little detail, and nothing to recommend them over competitors.

[southside bobby]

STN has always been a traditional terminal for Iceland long before Wizz/EZY so perhaps it may come down to catchments.
STN covers much that LTN does not of course.

[AirportPlanner1]

Correct - and for a number of years it was one of only three departure points to KEF in the UK, the others being Heathrow and Glasgow. I flew on Go first time I went. At that time there was an extensive charter operation with the likes of LTU, Air Berlin, Aerolloyd but the UK operators did nothing. It’s only in the last ten years or so that options and competition have ramped up, probably unsustainably.

The risk isn’t people not wanting to go, but Iceland banning us from entering

[Harrych]

Just seen a job posting for an ‘aviation security agent’ to work for an international airline serving LHR, LTN and STN. Hopefully this means El Al still plan on serving STN.

[southside bobby]

With the completion of the slot transfer from EZY for W21/22 Ryanair at Stansted have gained the equivalent of 22 return trips per day.

Bring on the "gamechanger" two of which have now been delivered into DUB.

[pamann]

What’s ‘gamechanger’ about the Boeing 737-8200 (tel:737-8200)? There’s going to be a lot of sore knees with that config.

[southside bobby]

...Best ask MOL & his number crunchers...LOL

[brian_dromey]

pamann

~15% less fuel and 4% more passengers. A pretty compelling package.

[southside bobby]

210 firm orders cannot be wrong...

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Have you seen the size of the orderbooks held by Emirates and Etihad pre COVID? Emirates called the A380 wrong in the end and now they're stuck with an albeit great but less than ideal aircraft. CEOs CAN be wrong, Juan Trippe's Pan Am buying so many B747-100s was what killed them off in the end. Now MOL is a smart player, he'll get a very good deal from Boeing but he's really just replacing B737-800s with new B737-8s which hold 9 more seats and have more efficient engines so it's not really a game changer, it's a consolidation. Ryanair is now a mature player, there's not that much more scope for the strong YoY growth of the early B73H days. The only fly in the ointment aside from the inevitable looney green brigade, is that the market to see on the B73Hs that are leaving is now quite weak.

[pamann]

That’s pretty much what I was thinking. Nothing ‘game changing’ in what it offers the customer, it’s hardly going to shake up what Ryanair offer. Not like they’ll send it across the pond.
The Boeing 737-10 Max would be more of a game changer to the Ryanair fleet.

[southside bobby]

SOF...
Rather niggardly as per...

Are you aware perhaps of poetic licence available even to a CEO who is rather capable of grabbing or manipulating a headline in any event.

But is it poetic licence & is but of course a marketing tool?

Or is it a win win tho with BTW 8 extra revenue pax NOT 9 as you state...same crew complement & far better fuel burn over the longer stages for which it was bought.

Use of the EK/A380 comparison is very weak & does not stand scrutiny here.

As to referencing the Juan Trippe/Pan Am/Boeing cosy up in 1966 illustrates futility of argument.

I think all get it Ryanair are a mature brand...several decades now is it not?

The old chestnut of the marketplace for the B738H again...Ever heard of write down?...I`m sure RYR utilize the method.

One unforseen market at the time was feed stock for freighter conversion which is now proceeding apace.

RYR own many of their aeroplanes so could even book a profit on earlier examples leaving the fleet.

Up next the `10...I wonder how MOL will term that one?

[southside bobby]

Pamann...

Nothing game changing in what it offers the customer...well better economics could be passed onto the customer in terms of fares.

A jingle now instead of fanfare for on time arrivals & a lot less yellow in the cabin...LOL

Why the mention of sending it across the pond? More than enough work in enabling closer markets surely.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

southside bobby

Why do bother posting if you can't debate? You literally are the most random train-of-thought individual on here, no reply ever presents a counter arguement, or data, or a better analogy. I think many of us get the Pan Am or Emirates analogy, if you've been around long enough you understand the concept of legends as being seen to be beyond the normal rules.
Actually Ryanair is a fraction of the size it once was as it's fleet has been dispersed to other parts of the group, that's a sign of the step change. We don't know yet whether the new Maltese and Polish fleet of Maxes will be entirely branded with their respective AOC's or perhaps more often as simply Ryanair with the relevant registrations, but they've now broken the one size fits all into a group of four different AOCs, something Southwest never needed to do. Am sure they'll do well but let's not over-egg the difference the MAX is going to make.
BTW brave word choice fella, VERY brave word choice in 2021!

[southside bobby]

To be sure RYR/MOL throw your analytics...be honest dear chap.

Economics clearly not a forte as example any betterment in the operating numbers IS advantage in a brave new world as never before.

Your analogy again this time clearly does not work as Southwest has a huge market within the mainland US.

No requirement to offer pointless analogies to counter as RYR are very successful outside of all the straightened thinking perhaps.

Look forward to more comment on a `10 order then...more old chestnuts?

[LGS6753]

Southwest has a huge market within the mainland US.

Ryanair's patch is the EU, plus UK, Israel, Norway, and other surrounding countries with liberal air traffic agreements ("open skies"). I suspect that matches the US market. Ryanair can continue to grow by joining the dots, competing with incumbents, and expanding to adjacent countries (probably not including Belarus:eek:).

[southside bobby]

Right O...being more specific Southwest has a very large contiguous geographic mass...Ryanair`s patch consists of numerous individual countries presenting challenges & of course opportunities.
Southwest v Ryanair`s affairs is not a useful analogy.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

You know that the business model was the same, MOL met Herb Kelleher before he relaunched Ryanair when he became CEO. It's a matter of public record, so, actually that is clearly a valid and accepted analogy, as MOL has admitted. Poland, Malta and Ireland, all three in the EU, which is a single market. The reason the group was split was to divide the pilot group and lower costs which were creeping up. The key difference MOL ignored Kelleher on was getting on good terms with a unionised pilot group. They have publically but politely disagreed on that point, but the rest of the business model was lifted from Southwest.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

southside bobby

This is jibberish, a word salad amounting to nothing. If you can't post a coherent sentence there's no point in debating.

[southside bobby]

Unlike the noises off here the "gamechanger" probably but quietly entering service today.

[davidjohnson6]

Ryanair start Helsinki daily and Tampere 2x weekly in the autumn. Given the historic monopoly that BA / AY have held between the UK and Finland, and Norwegian's troubles, FR should do ok, subject of course to the C word

[southside bobby]

Great additions to the winter network...
First use of the winter slot transfer from EZY perhaps.

[daz211]

Great news on Helsinki brilliant addition to the network 👍

on a different note EI-HEN Ryanair’s first Max aircraft is en-route from DUB to STN on what I believe is it’s first revenue flight as FR 272.

[southside bobby]

Yes the "gamechanger" has just slipped quietly into STN on the last DUB service of the day.

[southside bobby]

Introducing the HERT...

Revealed plans for a mass rapid transit (MRT) system dubbed the HERT (Hertfordshire-Essex Rapid Transit) to run from Hemel & Watford joining up south of St Albans to Harlow & onward to Stansted Airport.

[pabely]

What I think is more interesting is "With the county's population expected to rise by up to 175,000 by 2031, and plans for more than 100,000 new jobs and more than 100,000 new homes", more punters for airports and more income for councils!

[southside bobby]

Interesting too is the direction of travel literally within two county councils planning & thinking.

Previously Watford/Hemel/StAlbans could be safely placed within the LTN catchment...Centre of gravity within planning is certainly changing.

[LGS6753]

More likely that Herts CC - always vehemently anti-Luton - want a share of the action in the form of fare income, and joining with Essex as they both gain revenue from more houses/buildings in their patch. Never underestimate the cynicism of politicians....

[southside bobby]

Under the impression that HCC has always been anti-STN too of course.

[southside bobby]

Since MAG ownership Stansted has worked very hard with all the local communities to mitigate any/all impacts of growth which will & is producing dividends.

LTN has chosen the opposite path being a dictatorial neighbour to communities & which is now becoming/proving a serious obstacle to further growth.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

For anyone thinking about Play, maybe just have a look here, I wouldn't comment on the thread but it gives an indication of their thinking.

https://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/641294-play-pay-peanuts-get-pilots.html

[Tranceaddict]

flypop is pleased to confirm that London Stansted Airport will be its first UK airport base.

The flypop team see strong long-term demand for direct #flights between the UK (STN) and key ‘secondary cities’ of #India. London Stansted offers excellent connectivity, especially with its rail links into both #London and the #Midlands.

Nino (Navdip) Singh Judge, CEO & Principal of flypop , commented:
“During the pandemic we have been in talks with a number of UK airports and we can now confirm London Stansted as our first UK base. London Stansted Airport has a history of being the base for low-cost carriers and we feel it is the perfect fit for our passengers. flypop is focused on serving the Indian and South Asian diaspora communities living in the UK and their visiting friends and relatives, for whom London Stansted is the most convenient airport location.”

London Stansted Airport’s Managing Director, Steve Griffiths, added:
“We welcome the decision by flypop to select London Stansted as its first UK base and we look forward to working with the airline as it develops its route network plans in advance of the safe return of travel between the UK and India at the appropriate moment.”

flypop is currently in negotiations with a number of second city airports across #India and will shortly be confirming its first Indian #airport hubs.

[pamann]

Been a long time in the making. They certainly seem to be the most professional out of all the start ups, or at least project themselves to be. Time will tell.
Good luck to them. Hopefully they’ll create some much needed aviation employment opportunities.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Can anyone advise why the FedEx B757 always seems to park on the main cargo area rather than the FedEx ramp? I have never seen that full so wonder why it's not parked alongside company aircraft?

[FRatSTN]

It has done for a few years now since the Fedex/TNT merger. It's the former TNT Liege flight that now operates for the ASL hub, so guess it's not strictly a Fedex freighter.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Makes sense, thanks for that FRatSTN !

[STN406]

Satellites reopening fully from this month.
Update released today with a planned schedule for reopening all satellite buildings.

SAT3: Already fully open
SAT2: Domestics fully open already.
Gate 20-39 to reopen fully from 16th July. Only been open on Friday 2100-0900 Saturday for the last two weeks.
SAT1: Fully open from 17th July

This is still subject to change depending on any further changes to restrictions and changes to the flight schedule.

[Flightmech]

FRatSTN

It is a FedEx freighter. Operates on a FedEx flight number into the LGG Air Hub (it's not an ASL hub).

[daz211]

Does anyone know what all the VG flights are on the STN arrivals screen, on Flightradar24 all from UK Airports ?

[Sioltach Dubh Glas]

Same problem at nearly all UK airports on FR24. I understand that VG now relates to a trucking company and is being erroneously picked up from a 3rd part app.
Hopefully they will get it sorted soon.

[ericlday]

daz211

Similar on Luton Arrivals but just from Birmingham.

[LGS6753]

LMO is the IATA code for limousine.

[JW95]

STN406

Great news for STN! Is Satellite 1 now open? I've noticed Jet2, Turkish and Play still operating from gates 81-88 and 20-39 alongside FR, so I'm assuming reopening has been delayed slightly?

[STN406]

A slight delay as airlines schedule changed. The new date is 22nd July.

[STN406]

We have a special charter tomorrow afternoon. Emirates will operate a A380 in tomorrow afternoon at 1355 from DXB. It’s due to depart on Wednesday at 1400 to MCO. Apparently will be taking Arsenal FC out for a preseason tour in Florida.
Currently showing as parking northside on stand 505.

[pamann]

I’ve read somewhere that it’s now possibly cancelled due to a number of the Arsenal football team testing positive for Covid?

[STN406]

Not sure, but it’s currently parked northside on stand 505. Landed yesterday at 1355

[ATNotts]

Why does one football squad, and the usual hangers on require an A380 to cart them to Florida? I guess of course it's as much more to do with the association between Arsenal and Emirates Airline and the latter looking promote themselves in the southern US as it is capacity. Not exactly environmentally friendly though, eh?

[caiman27]

The A380 just departed Stansted on time and is clearly heading back to the Middle East after the tour got cancelled.

[compton3bravo]

Last week the team flew from Luton to Edinburgh on a Jota 146; chalk and cheese?

[FRatSTN]

First Albawings flight of the season in this morning so now back up to 10 airlines operating. Ural Airlines due back September 5. Azores Airlines also back on sale from June 2022.

[ericlday]

Albawings did flights on 18th and 21st

[FRatSTN]

So they did. I stand corrected.

[commit aviation]

From one extreme with the A380 midweek to the other with the Red Arrows rumoured to be visiting this weekend in between displays at Duxford

[sealo0]

Red Arrows Map - Scampton to Stansted Transit - Saturday 24th July 2021 (Times in BST):
1. 531829N 0003303W RAF SCAMPTON - 9.40am
2. 531353N 0002430W E OF FISKERTON - 9.42am
3. 525556N 0001421W NW OF DONINGTON - 9.45am
4. 524557N 0000414E N OF SUTTON ST JAMES - 9.47am
5. 521907N 0000546W VCY OF HEMINGFORD GREY - 9.52am
6. 521035N 0001341W NW OF GAMLINGAY - 9.53am
7. 515838N 0000009E NE OF BUNTINGFORD - 9.56am
8. 515306N 0001406E STANSTED AD - 9.58am

FYI

[davidjohnson6]

Ryanair to reopen a route to Trapani in Sicily, 2x weekly from 3 November. Route last flown about 10 years ago. This presumably replaces Comiso, another beach route in Sicily which was dropped last year

[Buster the Bear]

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/essex-council-moots-central-line-extension-and-crossrail-2-link-13-08-2021/

[BHX5DME]

July Pax

STN – 690,366 down 75.0% on July 2019

MAN – 447,954 down 85.9% on July 2019

EMA – 74,604 down 86.9% on July 2019

12m end 31.07.21 Pax

STN – 3,778,473 down 77.9% on 31.07.20

MAN – 3,281,695 down 81.2% on 31.07.20

EMA – 430,242 down 83.2% on 31.07.20

July Cargo

EMA – 36,678 down 4.0% on July 2020

STN – 21,258 down 18.1% on July 2020

MAN – 4,079 up 42.5% on July 2020

[daz211]

So looking on Twitter (FlyPOP) it looks like they are getting their first A330 painted in anticipation for its launch when restrictions allow.

[pamann]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x577/bf1caaa9_e0f2_4be4_bd10_aecfd18ba45e_8047aa86242ff5909f6d991 9fe90150fce6539eb.jpeg
Taken from Twitter. Looks like it’s happening. As simple as the livery is, I quite like it. Reminds me of the Go Fly adverts from the late 90’s early 00’s.

[daz211]

Wow, thanks for adding the pic, I actually love it and yes it reminds me of Go fly, can’t wait to see the interior.

[pamann]

Tunisair start Tunis twice weekly Monday & Thursday from 28/03/22. Flights operated by A320 however having seen their A320 cabins on various YouTube reviews I’d give it a wide-berth. It really does look unpleasant.

[Buster the Bear]

AeroNexus B767 will be flying on behalf of FlyOkavango from Stansted to Botswana, the Botswanan airline are due to take operation of an A340-500 to compliment their operation. Flights will operate twice per month from May until the end of Oct 22.

pamann

Flights being moved from Gatwick.

[STN406]

Titan have commenced operations with the new A333F they have recently acquired for use by GEODIS Air Network.
It’s currently doing AMS-STN-ORD-STN-AMS 3-4 times a week. It started on Sunday. The plane looks to position to and from AMS empty.

[davidjohnson6]

Ryanair reopen the route to Fez, 2x weekly, for the coming winter. Last served pre Covid

[Buster the Bear]

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/eight-cities-in-india-identified-by-budget-airline-start-up


https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/boost-for-stansted-airport-expansion-as-judge-throws-out-challenge-07-10-2021/

[STN406]

With the NFL returning to London over the next few weeks. We have got a number of Virgin Atlantic charters. These will be flying the teams and support groups in and out.

08/10 EWR-STN 0815 G-VTEA
08/10 STN-LHR 0915 G-VTEA
10/10 LHR-STN 1800 A351
10/10 LHR-STN 1830 A351
10/10 STN-ATL 2045 A351
10/10 STN-EWR 2115 A351

15/10 MIA-STN 0930 A351
15/10 STN-LHR 1200 A351
17/10 LHR-STN 1800 A351
17/10 LHR-STN 1840 A351
17/10 STN-JAX 2045 A351
17/10 STN-MIA 2115 A351

All times are current schedules and these times are the departure or arrival times from Stansted.

[JW95]

Are Air India planning on returning to Stansted on their Amritsar route? STN is still listed in their booking engine, however availability RE. STN-ATQ/ATQ-STN is zeroed out for W21 and so far no availability showing for S22.

[pabely]

Are you not jumping the gun a bit, India only announced reopening from Nov 15th, can't think STN is very high on any priority.

[Keanaga]

Probably higher than Luton.

[davidjohnson6]

Now that Ryanair is (or next month will be) sonething getting close to a normal-ish schedule, does STN have the human resources to sustain this ?
It seems that security screening is very short staffed to manage anything close to a 2019 demand level - many of the employees having decided they would rather do a different job in the future and not wanting to return to their previous roles

[pabely]

Keanaga

Maybe true if you want to bring that to the debate, a service the local Hindi promoters wanted from Luton as it is better placed to serve West London, Birmingham & Leicester, but then Hans Airways might steal.

[STN406]

No. MAG do not have the staffing levels to be able to deal with increased passenger levels. Around 400 employees made redundant. Mostly terminal based security and customer service staff. I’d estimate around 100 or more staff have left after redundancy and none of these positions have been backfired until a recent employment drive.
Thursday afternoon 1500-1800 Secuirty queue would have been anywhere from 1 hour to 1.5 hour due to only staffing levels allowing for 4 Secuirty lanes.
MAG have massively messed up with the staffing numbers and massively underestimated a return of passengers. Was told 5 or more year recovery but this will happen in 2 or 3 with current trends.

[ATNotts]

In point of fact West London is best served by LHR, while Birmingham and Leicester are best served by BHX. There is no logical reason for AI further diluting their UK offering.

[pabely]

Pre Covid Amristar was not well served, go East to New Dehli or South to Mumbai in India to transfer back, thus the STN ATQ route was born, close to Pakistan boarder as well.
Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi MP campaigned for such a service for years.
I'm sure it will be back but AI are a bit of an odd ball and now being sold to Tata and assets moved whilst debt remains with AI, I suspect attentions will be other places, maybe another player will step in?

[daz211]

We also have FlyPOP to think about.
Now having its 2nd aircraft painted, it can’t be long until launch destination are announced and tickets will be put on sale.

[AirportPlanner1]

ATNotts

There is/was a logical reason and that is lack of slots at LHR. Which is why there was also a short-term Mumbai route (obviously made even shorter term by Covid) following the collapse of Jet. If AI are planning on resurrecting ATQ-LON it will go to LHR while there were slots available and somewhere else if they aren’t.

[ATNotts]

One of Air India’s problems was too much political influence from both regional and national politicians. Tata are unlikely to be so easily persuaded by the ambitions of Punjabi or any other regional representatives which may not bode well for STN, LTN or indeed BHX.

[LTNman]

Not a good day for Stansted.

Stansted Airport: Flights missed amid baggage system 'chaos' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58946223

[BIZZYBOY]

https://northofstansted.co.uk/timeline/ 😳

[flyingtincan]

Does anyone have any recent experience of delays at Stansted when departing at around 7 to 8am and returning mid-evening.
Are delays a great deal more than in pre-pandemic times - with no check-in baggage, mid-week Ryanair flights.
On an average day it would have been 20 minutes to get through security and the same to get back through border control.
Does boarding take a lot longer? Is there an extra delay at the gate for a corvid-check?

[davidjohnson6]

You (and everyone else) will almost certainly undergo a check of your Covid paperwork at the gate when boarding a Ryanair flight from Stansted. Maybe an extra 15 mins to check everyone if the flight is full

The comment from STN406 on 16 October about last week was a very accurate description

[commit aviation]

Stansted recommending passengers arrive three hours before their flights.
Some considerable delays reported at security outbound recently so would not risk turning up late.

[davidjohnson6]

HiSky to fly to Targu Mures in Romania 2x weekly (Wed + Sat) from 18-Dec. Wizzair already flies to Targu Mures from Luton
Article (in Romanian) - https://boardingpass.ro/hisky-zboruri-din-targu-mures-spre-londra-milano-si-paris-din-decembrie-2021/

[LTNman]

Seems the terminal is shut. No problem for Ryanair as it is reported that they are still departing on time minus many of their passengers.

[STN406]

Try to be dealing with the situation put on the airport today and make the same decision.

[caiman27]

Suspicious package blown up in controlled explosion. No explosives found. "A man has been arrested in connection with this matter and remains in custody whilst investigations continue."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-59103435

Of course airlines should continue to fly to schedule if possible.

[davidjohnson6]

New route with Ryanair to Orebro in central Sweden, 2x weekly, from late March 2022

[AirportPlanner1]

Also HiSky 2x weekly to Baia Mare in Romania from 18 Dec, never before served from the UK

[pamann]

Has anyone got the link to the ACL slot requests page for Stansted? I’ve been on their website but can’t seems to find the info on new requests airline & route wise.

Thanks.

[BHX5DME]

It all there just been on ACL !

[AirportPlanner1]

I’ve just looked and cannot see it either. If there is a link that can be provided it would be appreciated.

[Link Kilo]

See here: https://www.acl-uk.org/latest-airport-info/

Mentions Icelandair to KEF as a new route.

[AirportPlanner1]

Thanks! Interesting. Also allegedly FR returning to domestic with ABZ (new), EDI, LDY.

A potentially significant new slot allocation is Norse, the reincarnated Norwegian long-haul. They aren’t listed as having slots at Gatwick.

[pamann]

Icelandair I'm sure has featured in the report numerous times but never materialises.

I think we can also forget both Tunisair and Corendon who I believe have both gone to Gatwick.

The most interesting there is Norse, from my calculations that equates to about 7 slot pairs per day. I'd be very surprised if they can't get into Gatwick.

Another to watch out for is Fly Pop who appear to have two A330's panted in their livery, but are yet to go on sale or have any slots.

[pabely]

Haven't FlyPop started AdHoc charter cargo ops with their 330s?

[SWBKCB]

Thought they were leased to Hi-fly?

[pabely]

As they are 9H- registered I can't work out who actually owns the aircraft, definitely not starting Pax ops from STN for a while.

[davidjohnson6]

New route with FR to Växjö in south east Sweden, and resumption of route to Maastricht for late March 2022

[pamann]

Funchal & Mahon too.

[UnderASouthernSky]

Answers to a few questions here:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/109951-uks-flypop-subleases-first-a330-to-hi-fly-malta-for-cargo

[JW95]

Something else I've noticed, EZY's AMS service is showing as being cancelled. If this materialises, not only will this leave STN without a service to Amsterdam, but also marks the withdrawal of EZY's last international route from here. AMS has historically been served from STN with KLM UK and Easyjet, so would be a shame to lose it and the end of an era. Does anyone reckon KLM would re-enter STN if EZY do go ahead and pull out? I know FR have been expanding into more of the 'primary' airports in recent years, however, with high landing fees and slot restrictions, I'm not sure whether they'd step in?

[CCFAIRPORT]

AMS service with EZY will stop on June 27th till the 4th of September and come back with 2 daily flights

[pabely]

LGW and LTN show reductions during that period but from a Max x8 to x6 daily on each weekdays.

[FRatSTN]

The AMS slots are now under EJU, hence why they're showing as cancelled by EZY.

[AirportPlanner1]

JW95

I believe there has been a gap in service before, sometime around Buzz being absorbed into FR. I think Transavia picked it up but were pushed off by EZY.

[pamann]

Transavia operated to Rotterdam-Stansted for a brief period not Amsterdam IIRC.

[AirportPlanner1]

I believe they switched AMS to RTM when EZY turned up. I’m willing to be proved wrong though.

Also pretty sure it was more than brief. They were part of the exodus to LGW, think they tried LTN as well.

[AirportPlanner1]

Hard to find any info but looks like I was right - although the break in service was brief (and Transavia are Dutch not Danish, but this was amateur local news in Essex):

A DANISH budget airline will begin to fly twice-daily from Essex to Amsterdam later this month. Basiz Air is to operate out of Stansted - the only airport in the UK from where the company will fly - with an introductory one-way fare of nine euros - about £3.60 - which is less than a packet of cigarettes. The airline is part of Transavia Airlines, which is 80 percent owned by Dutch national carrier KLM. Basiq stepped in after budget airline Buzz, now owned by Ryanair, pulled off the route earlier this year

[pamann]

I stand corrected. I’d forgotten about their Basiq Air venture.

I’ve wondered for years now why KLM have never given STN a go. Especially given the amount of connections they offer. Connections via Amsterdam were always very popular back in the Air UK days.

[davidjohnson6]

In the Air UK days of the 1990s, there weren't multiple large LCCs flying nonstop from Stansted to every village in Europe. Does rather kill the potential for a network airline charging high-ish fares on a 1-stop strategy.

[pamann]

I was thinking more specifically longhaul where there still exists a market for one stop connections.

[pamann]

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/norse-atlantic-keeping-options-open-despite-gatwick-slots-snub-31613

[JW95]

Since their STN base closure, are EZY still using satellite 1 or have they consolidated entirely in satellite 2? Historically I remember their international services using satellite 1 while domestics used sat 2, although I'm guessing this has probably changed given AMS is the sole remaining international destination?

[pamann]

It would appear that both of today’s Amsterdam flights used gate 88 at sat 2.

[STN406]

Since their STN base closure, are EZY still using satellite 1 or have they consolidated entirely in satellite 2? Historically I remember their international services using satellite 1 while domestics used sat 2, although I'm guessing this has probably changed given AMS is the sole remaining international destination?

Easyjet have been using SAT2 for all flights since the base closure. Most often the AMS flights will depart from Gate 87 and 88. But occasionally these flights will operate from Gates 29-39 upstairs in SAT2.

[davidjohnson6]

Hisky seem to have cancelled their route to Targu Mures in Romania, a few days before it was due to start - all dates on their website show zero availability.

Article (in Romanian, but Google Translate works well) from earlier today, saying routes from TGM to Beauvais and Bergamo were cancelled...
https://boardingpass.ro/hisky-a-renuntat-la-rutele-targu-mures-milano-si-targu-mures-paris/

[jdcg]

Probably enough capacity supplied already by Wizz. They may do better just focusing on Baia Mare

[JW95]

Does anyone know if the airbridges on satellite 2 are ever used? Based on my countless visits to STN, I've never once seen them in action, and even when boarding from gates 20-39, all the air bridges seem to be darkened up and look as though they haven't been touched in years, which is a shame, as I've found satellite 2 far more pleasant to travel through compared to satellite 3.

[AirportPlanner1]

Does anyone know if the airbridges on satellite 2 are ever used? Based on my countless visits to STN, I've never once seen them in action, and even when boarding from gates 20-39, all the air bridges seem to be darkened up and look as though they haven't been touched in years, which is a shame, as I've found satellite 2 far more pleasant to travel through compared to satellite 3.

Pretty sure I’ve seen them in use but not in the last decade or more. I’m 80% certain I’ve used one boarding an Air Berlin perhaps 2006/7/8 time.

[sam dilly]

I think they have been out of action since one managed to do serious damage to the engine of a Titan 757 in 2018

[FRatSTN]

A couple of them on Sat 2 are still used occasionally, but most are permanently out of use. All on Sat 1 are used regularly.

[pamann]

Satellite 1 is a pretty nice space which was refurbished a few years back.

Satellite 2 is a bit shabby and still in the old style that satellite 1 was in before its refurb.

Satellite 3 is like a third world bus station and is what 80% of Stansted’s passengers seem to base their opinion of the airport on. It is in my opinion, truly horrid at the far end gates.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Sat 3 is a great example of what BAA thought STN should be and what it really became. Two big satellites accesed via a one way expensive railway line, all gates with airbridges and attached to a world class beautiful terminal. Later, Sat 3 was added minus the airbridges and no train and when reality set in that the future was Ryanair, the lower level extension was built cheap and nasty. The original Sat 3 is actually fine upstairs, but the downstairs bit is awful. The reality is that any business case for further new builds will look more like the grotty extension than Sat 1. Michael O'Leary described BAA's Stansted pricing structure as an excuse to build "Taj Mahal terminals", i.e. quite nice really.

[AirportPlanner1]

I think Sat 3 for the most part is absolutely fine. It’s clean and functional, and better or at least no worse than LCC areas at many other major airports.

Am I wrong in thinking the shabby end bit of Sat 3 was originally a remote satellite gate area accessed by bus? Built sometime around 2000?

[JW95]

Satellite 1 is a pretty nice space which was refurbished a few years back.

Satellite 2 is a bit shabby and still in the old style that satellite 1 was in before its refurb.

Satellite 3 is like a third world bus station and is what 80% of Stansted’s passengers seem to base their opinion of the airport on. It is in my opinion, truly horrid at the far end gates.

I agree. Satellite 3 is pretty vile, with the lower level gates at the far end being even worse. Compared to the other two satellites, seating appears pretty sparse, and I think they're (at least pre-Covid) in the process of remodelling the gate areas with bus-shelter style bench seating?

As regards satellite 2, it's a shame that this isn't used more often by other carriers, as the place always seems to be pretty near empty, aside from a few FR flights that use it. Also agree that it is looking very tired now and in need of a refurbishment (doesn't appear to have been updated since it was first built). Are there any plans to refurbish it in the long term?

[daz211]

I think Sat 3 for the most part is absolutely fine. It’s clean and functional, and better or at least no worse than LCC areas at many other major airports.

Am I wrong in thinking the shabby end bit of Sat 3 was originally a remote satellite gate area accessed by bus? Built sometime around 2000?

Correct, passengers would go to the gate area “The APV” just under and in front of the transit system and be bussed to “the shed” as we used to call it, it was a stand alone boarding pen.

[JW95]

A couple of them on Sat 2 are still used occasionally, but most are permanently out of use. All on Sat 1 are used regularly.

It's a shame they aren't used more often. Someone on the thread mentioned that Air Berlin used them fairly frequently back in the 2000s when they had a sizeable presence at STN. Plus, didn't American Airlines use them during 2007-8 when they ran STN-JFK? Do you think MAG will repair them in the long run? It almost seems pointless having them if they won't be fixed/updated.

[STN406]

SAT2 has 3 operational airbridges to use. Gate 37, Gate 30/88 and Gate 32/87. During the first and second lockdowns when Stansted only had SAT2 operational the airbridges at Gate 30/88 and Gate 32/87 where used regular by most airlines operating at that time. Turkish Airlines, Pegasus and Air Moldova to name a few. Titan would often use these gates for its flights to Loudres due to the amount of wheelchairs on board making it easier to gain access via the ramp to gates 81-88.
In terms of what has been mentioned of SAT3 in my opinion the gate 40-50 area is good. It’s functional and works. It has had some work to it in recent times with new toilets and touch up work. Also MAG where in the process of remodelling all gates in this area. If you fly through these new styled gates are 43,48 and 50. But due to money constraints this has been put on hold.
The TTS dose in fact run to SAT3 though a station was never fitted out to the satellite. It’s is just a huge unfitted out area sitting below the satellite. The tunnels and track do actually run past SAT3 to where a fourth satellite would be built.
SAT3 was built with a purpose and that was to me cheap and easy to use for the airline that requested for it Ryanair. BAA original plan for Stansted was for it to have 4 satellite buildings all built the same and linked to the terminal by the TTS expect SAT2 to allow for domestic flights like it does.

[davidjohnson6]

Probably enough capacity supplied already by Wizz. They may do better just focusing on Baia Mare

I'm not very hopeful on a Stansted - Baia Mare route. HiSky announced in the autumn last year they would fly from Baia Mare to Paris Beauvais from April 2022. That route has just been cancelled.
That leaves Baia Mare with just routes to Bergamo and Stansted each 2x weekly. Not really enough for a base. This would work only as W routes, which struggles given HiSky have just closed all routes from Targu Mures, and their route between Bergamo and Baia Mare is already a W of an aircraft based in Chisinau

[JW95]

Looks like FR are set to cancel STN-FRA permanently from the end of March in line with their FRA base closure in response to higher airport charges. A shame :/ Is any other airline likely to replace FR on this route from STN?

Link to press release notes: https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-closes-frankfurt-am-main-base/?market=en

[pabely]

Eurowings or Easy might give it a try.

[davidjohnson6]

Why would Eurowings want to fly London-Frankfurt and compete with its parent company, Lufthansa, by cannibalising LH's business traffic on LCY/LHR-FRA ? Ryanair may not be acceptable for business travel in the corporate world.... but plenty of companies will put employees on EW if it saves them money

[STN406]

Eurowings or Easy might give it a try.

easyJet who closed their Stansted base last year and don’t currently operate any flights to Frankfurt.

Eurowings who’s only flight from Frankfurt is Pristina or flights operated by new brand Eurowings Discover who only fly to package holiday style destinations?

At a real push maybe Lufthansa might give it a go but that’s extremely unlikely with them already offering around 10 flights a day to Heathrow and the City come the summer schedule.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Will STN-HHN rise from the dead with FR?

[davidjohnson6]

Will STN-HHN rise from the dead with FR?
If you want to get from Stansted to somewhere near-ish Frankfurt while saving the pennies, you would probably be better off flying to Cologne - at least CGN's in-terminal train station is well connected to the German rail system. Even at its height of popularity around 2009, Hahn was a complete pain for land transport if you didn't have a car in Germany. Hahn is only worth it if you *really* need to keep the air fare to the absolute minimum possible - i.e. are prepared to crawl b*ll*ck naked over broken glass

[AirportPlanner1]

If you want to get from Stansted to somewhere near-ish Frankfurt while saving the pennies, you would probably be better off flying to Cologne - at least CGN's in-terminal train station is well connected to the German rail system. Even at its height of popularity around 2009, Hahn was a complete pain for land transport if you didn't have a car in Germany. Hahn is only worth it if you *really* need to keep the air fare to the absolute minimum possible - i.e. are prepared to crawl b*ll*ck naked over broken glass

This isn’t true - I flew to Hahn for somewhere that wasn’t Frankfurt. There were excellent coach connections to surrounding areas, also to Luxembourg. Hahn actually has a decent catchment of its own quite remote from Frankfurt and Cologne-Bonn. Its probably the best option for reasonably notable places like Koblenz and Trier as well as several lesser but fairly well-off communities in between.

[JW95]

easyJet who closed their Stansted base last year and don’t currently operate any flights to Frankfurt.

Eurowings who’s only flight from Frankfurt is Pristina or flights operated by new brand Eurowings Discover who only fly to package holiday style destinations?

At a real push maybe Lufthansa might give it a go but that’s extremely unlikely with them already offering around 10 flights a day to Heathrow and the City come the summer schedule.

Could Jet2, STN's second largest airline do it? I know they are predominantly leisure/holiday focused at their STN base though, and EZY have recently made clear they have no intentions to reinstate their former STN base. I think its a real shame that MAG have so far failed to attract a good feeder airline such as Lufthansa to FRA or KLM to AMS (even though both served STN in the past many years ago). There is strong potential, given STN's catchment area for such a service and could provide many with an attractive alternative to LHR, and to a lesser extent LGW in business trips/long haul transit via FRA or AMS.

[Rutan16]

Could Jet2, STN's second largest airline do it? I know they are predominantly leisure/holiday focused at their STN base though, and EZY have recently made clear they have no intentions to reinstate their former STN base. I think its a real shame that MAG have so far failed to attract a good feeder airline such as Lufthansa to FRA or KLM to AMS (even though both served STN in the past many years ago). There is strong potential, given STN's catchment area for such a service and could provide many with an attractive alternative to LHR, and to a lesser extent LGW in business trips/long haul transit via FRA or AMS.

Much of the Essex based business demand and connection traffic is serviced out of LCY where LH Group, associates LG and LO maintain a strong presence , similarly KLC with multiple daily Amsterdam flights. Not to mention BA Cityflyer !

[BA318]

Much of the Essex based business demand and connection traffic is serviced out of LCY where LH Group, associates LG and LO maintain a strong presence , similarly KLC with multiple daily Amsterdam flights. Not to mention BA Cityflyer !

LH isn’t particularly strong from LCY. It’s down to just a FRA service now. LX has begun to grow again. LO is only operating the Vilnius PSO route with WAW and BUD both still suspended.

BACF has also dropped Munich this week but FRA, DUS and BER remain.

I think Eurowings is STN best hope with a DUS or BER route.

[daz211]

FlyPOP A330 9H-PTP to visit its home base (Stansted) at 14:00 local on Friday 14th January.

[pabely]

Thought it was on the Maltese register not Dutch?

[daz211]

Thought it was on the Maltese register not Dutch?
Sorry my mistake predictive must have changed it - now corrected

[SWBKCB]

flyPOP have tweeted that this is still coming tomorrow (14/01) - do they have a UK AOC yet, can't see it on the CAA website?

[STN406]

Flypop’s second aircraft is scheduled in to Stansted at 1400 tomorrow as previously reported.
It is currently due to park on A15 Gate16. Flight numbers is 3L251P which is odd as 3L is the Air Arabia flight number and 3L251 is a scheduled flight from AUH-MCT ? But we will see what it comes in on tomorrow.

[ATNotts]

flyPOP have tweeted that this is still coming tomorrow (14/01) - do they have a UK AOC yet, can't see it on the CAA website?
Googling doesn't reveal any evidence that I have seen that they are very far down the process of acquiring a UK AOC hence the foreign registered equipment.

[sewushr]

Don't forget IATA codes aren't unique (there aren't enough of them to go round). So many codes are issued to more than one carrier, usually in different geographic areas with no likelihood of overlap

3L is also issued to Hi Fly Ltd (Malta), who are the operator of 9H-PTP

[VLCfkight]

Would appear that the A330 is arriving as HFM251P according the Flightradar 24 arrivals for STN

[DaveReidUK]

Would appear that the A330 is arriving as HFM251P according the Flightradar 24 arrivals for STN

Yes, that's the ICAO flight ID that would be expected if the IATA flight number is 3L251P.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Don't forget IATA codes aren't unique (there aren't enough of them to go round). So many codes are issued to more than one carrier, usually in different geographic areas with no likelihood of overlap
When did THIS happen? Sorry if I am the only one in the room who didn't know this....

[davidjohnson6]

Google "IATA controlled duplicates"

[DaveReidUK]

When did THIS happen? Sorry if I am the only one in the room who didn't know this....

Certainly as far back as the 80s, maybe earlier.

IATA - Codes - Airline and Location Codes Search (https://www.iata.org/en/publications/directories/code-search/?airline.search=3L)

[davidjohnson6]

New route to Odesa in Ukraine with Ryanair, going up against Wizz's Luton-Odesa route.
Same days (Wed +Sun), but W6 fly mornings while FR fly evenings - so a day trip is possible from London. That said, it's a lovely place and I'd recommend staying a little longer

[jdcg]

New route to Odesa in Ukraine with Ryanair, going up against Wizz's Luton-Odesa route.
Same days (Wed +Sun), but W6 fly mornings while FR fly evenings - so a day trip is possible from London. That said, it's a lovely place and I'd recommend staying a little longer
Sounds lovely. Of course, if there's a war, that's where Putin and Co. will be aiming for ...

[pabely]

Analysis of flyPop - Take it or leave it knowing reporting from Simply Flying
https://simpleflying.com/flypop-pending-route-announcements/
Now where have I seen those tail colours before at STN?

[JW95]

One thing I've always wondered about FR at STN: Why is it that they've never used satellite 1? IIRC, FR weren't keen on having their passengers use the transit originally (hence their designated walk-to satellite, satellite 3). Yet, they do use satellite 2, with the international level requiring the transit to gates 20-39. MOL has made clear that he's keen on further expanding FR at STN post-Covid, especially now with the EZY base closure, so I'm wondering if they'd end up having to use satellite 1 (in addition to 2 and 3) further down the line, especially as satellite 3 gets very crowded?

[davidjohnson6]

Hahn airport in Germany will be reconnected to Stansted from 1 April with Ryanair

[AirportPlanner1]

MOL has made clear that he's keen on further expanding FR at STN post-Covid, especially now with the EZY base closure, so I'm wondering if they'd end up having to use satellite 1 (in addition to 2 and 3) further down the line, especially as satellite 3 gets very crowded?

I doubt they’d fit into Sat 1 with Jet2 around, along with Emirates, Pegasus and whoever else may or may not show up (Pop, Norse). If there was commitment to major expansion I’d imagine it would see the 4th sat built.

[davidjohnson6]

How busy was the Ryanair pier in 2019 relative to theoretical capacity ? I know it was pretty active, but wondering what the pier limits (as opposed to those in ACL's biannual reports) were. How much room was there for (non-domestic) more departures in the early morning and arrivals late evening ?

[AirportPlanner1]

How busy was the Ryanair pier in 2019 relative to theoretical capacity ? I know it was pretty active, but wondering what the pier limits (as opposed to those in ACL's biannual reports) were. How much room was there for (non-domestic) more departures in the early morning and arrivals late evening ?

It would be based units that would be the issue with overnight stands. Plenty of bussing in from the remote stands over where Sat 4 would be used to go on over the summer season, less so in the winter.

[commit aviation]

I would think runway capacity is also likely to be tight during first wave not just stand availability

[terrain safe]

One thing I've always wondered about FR at STN: Why is it that they've never used satellite 1? IIRC, FR weren't keen on having their passengers use the transit originally (hence their designated walk-to satellite, satellite 3). Yet, they do use satellite 2, with the international level requiring the transit to gates 20-39. MOL has made clear that he's keen on further expanding FR at STN post-Covid, especially now with the EZY base closure, so I'm wondering if they'd end up having to use satellite 1 (in addition to 2 and 3) further down the line, especially as satellite 3 gets very crowded?
When Ryanair first arrived the 30-34 stands weren't built so they used the 20's.

[AirportPlanner1]

After recent discussion, I arrived back into STN this evening to find a FR parked at Sat 1.

[STN406]

After recent discussion, I arrived back into STN this evening to find a FR parked at Sat 1.

Due to lower amount of flights recently. Ryanair have been parking the odd few aircraft on stands at SAT1. These are not operating flights from SAT1, this happened a lot during the first lockdown when flights where few are far between:

[davidjohnson6]

HiSky have deferred (again !) the start date of their route to Baia Mare in Romania to 02 March - it was meant to begin last year, but has been delayed a number of times, each about 14 days before the next start date, which suggests bookings have been disappointing
I would not be surprised if there was a further delay in flights commencing until clocks change on 27 March 2022

[BA318]

Flew into STN tonight with Ryanair from Stockholm Arlanda (about 90% full) and surprised at the number of people who were connecting. A queue of people asking what to do in the baggage hall and Ryanair staff instructing them to clear customs and then head back to departures.

I was also very impressed with immigration at STN. Compared to when I last used it about 4 years ago it was very organised and quick. Much better than any of my recent experiences at LHR and the bags were waiting for us on the belt when we got there.

[JW95]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if, and what work is scheduled with respect to the airport transformation project at STN this year? Granted, Covid has clearly changed a lot of this over the last couple of years or so, but are MAG intending on resuming work now that air travel is picking back up at the airport? Certainly, there are some areas in the departure lounge which were looking pretty tired and/or boarded up, in addition to the satellite areas (with the exception of satellite 1) on my recent visit there.

[AirportPlanner1]

Flew into STN tonight with Ryanair from Stockholm Arlanda (about 90% full) and surprised at the number of people who were connecting. A queue of people asking what to do in the baggage hall and Ryanair staff instructing them to clear customs and then head back to departures.

I was also very impressed with immigration at STN. Compared to when I last used it about 4 years ago it was very organised and quick. Much better than any of my recent experiences at LHR and the bags were waiting for us on the belt when we got there.

Interesting to hear your flight was so full. When I departed a couple of weeks back mine was <30%. Lisbon had 70 pax I heard over the mic, Oslo even less than mine at maybe 30 people. Shannon looked by far the busiest but I’d say only 100-odd. The lounge was very quiet and some shops and bars weren’t even open despite it being mid-afternoon. I see it looks like schedules have increased again though this week.

I was also very impressed with immigration although whether that remains the case with more flights carrying more people remains to be seen!

[BA318]

Interesting to hear your flight was so full. When I departed a couple of weeks back mine was <30%. Lisbon had 70 pax I heard over the mic, Oslo even less than mine at maybe 30 people. Shannon looked by far the busiest but I’d say only 100-odd. The lounge was very quiet and some shops and bars weren’t even open despite it being mid-afternoon. I see it looks like schedules have increased again though this week.

I was also very impressed with immigration although whether that remains the case with more flights carrying more people remains to be seen!

The BA flight home was about 80% full in Economy and about 8 people in 8 rows of business. I’ve usually flown BA or SAS between London and Stockholm but now Ryanair have moved to Arlanda I have to say their service was much better.

They offer combined baggage allowance (while BA charged us £65 because one bag was 27kg despite the others being underweight - something Ryanair would have allowed). The crew were friendly (unlike BA) and you can actually fit in a Ryanair toilet unlike the slimline one on the BA A320neo (which was impossible with a two year old -who refused to use the BA toilet once in there because she said it was too dirty!)

[daz211]

The BA flight home was about 80% full in Economy and about 8 people in 8 rows of business. I’ve usually flown BA or SAS between London and Stockholm but now Ryanair have moved to Arlanda I have to say their service was much better.

They offer combined baggage allowance (while BA charged us £65 because one bag was 27kg despite the others being underweight - something Ryanair would have allowed). The crew were friendly (unlike BA) and you can actually fit in a Ryanair toilet unlike the slimline one on the BA A320neo (which was impossible with a two year old -who refused to use the BA toilet once in there because she said it was too dirty!)
Was you Flight on the Lauda A320 or the Ryanair B738.

[BA318]

Was you Flight on the Lauda A320 or the Ryanair B738.

Ryanair 738. I noticed the Lauda A320 and the 737Max have all operated the route though.

[STN406]

Extremely busy start to the weekend over 30,000 passengers departing today, on over 170 departing passengers flights. A very good sign for Stansted and getting back to some normality.
Saw in a news report about the recent jobs fair for the airport. A statement saying Stansted could be at pre-covid levels in the summer.

[davidjohnson6]

Hisky appear to have withdrawn from their route to Baia Mare in Romania. All dates are zero'ed out

[Downwind_Left]

The BA flight home was about 80% full in Economy and about 8 people in 8 rows of business. I’ve usually flown BA or SAS between London and Stockholm but now Ryanair have moved to Arlanda I have to say their service was much better.

They offer combined baggage allowance (while BA charged us £65 because one bag was 27kg despite the others being underweight - something Ryanair would have allowed). The crew were friendly (unlike BA) and you can actually fit in a Ryanair toilet unlike the slimline one on the BA A320neo (which was impossible with a two year old -who refused to use the BA toilet once in there because she said it was too dirty!)

The Ryanair 737-8200 (tel:737-8200) Max aircraft have exactly the same toilet arrangement at the rear as the space-flex on the A320 many European airlines are adopting... 2 very narrow toilets aft of the rear doors, alongside the galley.

That’s the future sadly.

In the case of the Max, How else do you fit 197 seats in an aircraft built for 189? With the number of Max aircraft Ryanair plan to take delivery of, they will quickly become the mainstay of the fleet.

[davidjohnson6]

FR opening a route to Tangier, 2x weekly from 29 March 2022

[AirportPlanner1]

FR opening a route to Tangier, 2x weekly from 29 March 2022

Also Terceira Lajes 1x weekly. Was supposed to have launched in 2020. Will be up against BA who are launching this route from LHR.

[daz211]

I also heard FlyPOP are planning ticket sales in April for a launch date in July for the first 2 destinations.
Not sure which 2 Routes will be launched first.

Chandigarh.
Hyderabad.
Amritsar.
Ahmedabad.
Kolkata.
Goa.
Kochi.

[CabinCrewe]

is anyone buying the PLAY Orlando service? (almost 13hrs via KEF)…. will need to be very price conscious to see Mickey

[BA318]

is anyone buying the PLAY Orlando service? (almost 13hrs via KEF)…. will need to be very price conscious to see Mickey

isn’t the Icelandair/Play thing usually to try and entice stopovers in Iceland so you wouldn’t sit at the airport for 13hrs but stay 1/2 nights and then catch the next flight.

[AirportPlanner1]

13 hour journey to Orlando is pretty standard for indirect, no?

[STN406]

Stand A13 now out of service. This is for work to be done on the airbridge at this stand. The airbridge will be replaced as a double arm airbridge for easier loading and unloading for wide body aircraft including a A380 which is rumoured what Emirates will bring in here in the winter season.

[davidjohnson6]

Does anyone expect FR to resume flights to Dole-Jura airport in eastern France after the current season ends in late March ?
Weekly route, suspended in Jan+Feb, blamed on Covid. Today's STN-DLE-STN round trip had an average load factor of 20%, with tickets widely available at £8 until a few days before departure

[BHX5DME]

February Pax

STN – 1,150,746 down 39% on Feb 2019

MAN – 1,135,317 down 37% on Feb 2019

EMA – 110,435 down 49% on Feb 2019


Rolling 12m

STN – 8,813,319 up 126% on 12m ago

MAN – 7,772,748 up 111% on 12m ago

EMA – 992,848 UP 91% ON 12M AGO


February Freight

EMA – 35,285 up 4% on Feb 2021

STN – 18,128 down 12% on Feb 2021

MAN – 4,964 up 19% on Feb 2021

BHX5DME is online now Report Post (https://www.pprune.org/report.php?p=11199189)
Edit (https://www.pprune.org/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=11199189) Quote (https://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=11199189) Quick Reply (https://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=11199189)
Reply (https://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=11198426) Subscribe (https://www.pprune.org/subscription.php?do=addsubscription&t=637087)https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/collapse_tcat.gif (https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/637087-manchester-3-a-65.html#top)Quick Reply
To view/manage your attachments, click "Go Advanced"Options
Quote message in reply?

[davidjohnson6]

Nice Air in Iceland have released their schedule between Stansted and Akureyri - initially 2x weekly on Mon + Fri. STN-AEY starts at £132 one way
AEY 0745 STN 1145
STN 1245 AEY 1445

[STN406]

Nice Air in Iceland have released their schedule between Stansted and Akureyri - initially 2x weekly on Mon + Fri. STN-AEY starts at £132 one way
AEY 0745 STN 1145
STN 1245 AEY 1445

Do you have a website or link for this. Can’t find anything online?

[ericlday]

Do you have a website or link for this. Can’t find anything online?
niceair.is

[davidjohnson6]

Flying with Ryanair tomorrow from Stansted, and received an email from FR warning me to be at the airport THREE HOURS before flight departure due to possible security delays. Easter is still a few weeks away
Is this just due to STN and MAN being part of MAG, press have covered the MAN security chaos this week and FR don't want any blame ?
Are MAG moving security staff temporarily from STN to MAN ? Or are STN about to have a MAN style meltdown for some other reason ?

[AirportPlanner1]

It’s a standard notice sent to every passenger and they’ve done it for some time. Just exercise some common sense - if it’s a very busy time give yourself some extra time especially if hoping to get something to eat. If there aren’t so many departures at that time, as I had last week, expect to get through in 10 minutes.

[davidjohnson6]

Ryanair will fly to Rovaniemi 4x weekly from 30 Oct 2022

[Buster the Bear]

No mention of Tunis Air twice per week.

[AirportPlanner1]

No mention of Tunis Air twice per week.

I’m fairly certain it’s been mentioned but disappeared. Unless there was a previous start scuppered for 2021?

Air Albania are also now back. The variety is slowly creeping in the right direction.

[davidjohnson6]

I have noticed in the last month that coaches between London and Stansted (A6 and A9) are very often extremely full... often sold out on National Express' website before they even depart the first stop in London. Even allowing for no-shows, pax at bus stops in London wanting to pay the driver are routinely being told "Sorry the coach is full, wait for the next coach in 30 mins" - fine if this happens once, but not fine if pax is told this multiple times in 2 hours !

I am wondering if it's time either for National Express to increase frequency of service.. or (ideally) if there is space for another coach company to enter the London-Stansted market as there was in 2019. The current coach service is beginning to look like monopoly-style profits are being made

[commit aviation]

Airport Bus Express are back on the Stratford run with a near 30 min service (with 4 trips a day in the early hours to & from Liverpool Street)
No news on the Victoria service though

[FRatSTN]

Maybe the coaches wouldn't be as busy if the Stansted Express was running with a half decent timetable.

[davidjohnson6]

What would it take for the Stansted Express to move from its current half hourly service, to the every-15-mins service that ran in 2019 ?
Is this possible before 10-Dec-2022 or even 2023 ?

[pamann]

What would it take for the Stansted Express to move from its current half hourly service, to the every-15-mins service that ran in 2019 ?
Is this possible before 10-Dec-2022 or even 2023 ?

Once upon a time (1991 iirc) the Stansted Express used to offer a journey time of just 41 minutes including stop at Tottenham Hale. Wonder why it now takes the best part of an hour?

[STN406]

Once upon a time (1991 iirc) the Stansted Express used to offer a journey time of just 41 minutes including stop at Tottenham Hale. Wonder why it now takes the best part of an hour?

1991 was over 30 years ago!! The lines have got a hell lot busier since then. So have the trains meaning it takes longer at each station to get all these passengers on and off.
Also it takes anywhere from 46-50 minutes from Stansted Airport to Liverpool Street with either 2 or three stops.

On the coaches yes National Express need to increase service and capacity back to Stansted. The buses are nearly always full as it’s been mentioned. I often travel to Heathrow and the national express was often cheaper and more convenient than the trains. But it’s current service pattern is terrible. Rather go through London on a packed tube now.

[SWBKCB]

Flight reporting Emirates to re-start in August

[AirportPlanner1]

Initial schedule is the 65 departing 21:10 and the 68 arriving 13:30 so looks like double daily will be returning hopefully sooner rather than later.

[pamann]

1991 was over 30 years ago!! The lines have got a hell lot busier since then. So have the trains meaning it takes longer at each station to get all these passengers on and off.
Also it takes anywhere from 46-50 minutes from Stansted Airport to Liverpool Street with either 2 or three stops.

On the coaches yes National Express need to increase service and capacity back to Stansted. The buses are nearly always full as it’s been mentioned. I often travel to Heathrow and the national express was often cheaper and more convenient than the trains. But it’s current service pattern is terrible. Rather go through London on a packed tube now.

Most rail services have improved journey times over the last 30 years, not gone backwards. That’s why I feel it’s a bit of an oddity.

Anyway - It’s good news on the return of Emirates to Stansted. Did I read somewhere on here that one of the A stands was being fitted with a double airbridge?

Be good to see the terminal check-in reworks commence again at some point and hoping the future includes an Emirates lounge as the Escape lounge isn’t the nicest of lounges IMO.

[AirportPlanner1]

Most rail services have improved journey times over the last 30 years, not gone backwards. That’s why I feel it’s a bit of an oddity.

The long distance mainlines have been improved massively eg London - Manchester. A lot of the commuter lines from surrounding counties into London have gone backwards probably due to increasing passenger numbers and congestion.

Greater Anglia frequencies have been massively cut across the board, as have similar operators and lines due to changing work patterns. Stansted is a bit of a special case, if passenger numbers recover to pre-Covid levels there is no justification for rail services to not do the same.

[FRatSTN]

The worry I think is that because the new Stansted Express trains have more capacity, twelve carriages increased from eight, that the frequency may not recover. Problem with that is airport commuters demand a good, high frequency service and couldn't give two hoots how many people each train can carry. It also causes havoc with passenger turn-up rates in the Terminal.

[sergy2k]

The long distance mainlines have been improved massively eg London - Manchester. A lot of the commuter lines from surrounding counties into London have gone backwards probably due to increasing passenger numbers and congestion.

Greater Anglia frequencies have been massively cut across the board, as have similar operators and lines due to changing work patterns. Stansted is a bit of a special case, if passenger numbers recover to pre-Covid levels there is no justification for rail services to not do the same.

Worth also mentioning (although not Stansted related) that Peak Thameslink journeys into London from St Albans have increased from 18 mins about 3-4 years ago to nearer 25 mins now, so agree, whilst long distance might have improved, commuter journeys have become slower. I'm pretty sure I remember 35 min journeys from Liverpool St to Stansted not so long ago (Might have imagined that...)

[sergy2k]

Emirates confirmed restart from August 1st

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-ramps-up-global-operations-with-restart-of-services-to-four-destinations/

[AirportPlanner1]

I'm pretty sure I remember 35 min journeys from Liverpool St to Stansted not so long ago (Might have imagined that...)

You are probably right - even now some of the very early and late GA Mainline routes when the lines are empty are scheduled quicker than those around 06:00-22:00ish. So 35 mins back in the day sounds plausible probably for first and last services.

[Buster the Bear]

https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/are-plans-for-stansted-airport-signs-of-a-changing-world/

[davidjohnson6]

There is some large scale filming by an Easyjet aircraft at gate 35 today. Substantial film crew, lots of lights, etc
Anyone know what it is ?

[DaveReidUK]

Probably an Airbus ...

[SimonPaddo]

Probably an Airbus ...
Boom boom DaveReidUK ......

[STN406]

There is some large scale filming by an Easyjet aircraft at gate 35 today. Substantial film crew, lots of lights, etc
Anyone know what it is ?

Been lots of filming happening recently. Has been a mix of adverts, films and tv shoots. It’s not uncommon at all to see some form a filming every other week or so.

[FRatSTN]

New service to AYT starts 25th June, 4x weekly ops Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat.

[pamann]

New service to AYT starts 25th June, 4x weekly ops Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat.

Didn’t expect that considering their expansion at LGW and at other U.K. airports. Wonder if they have any connections to a U.K. tour operator/s? There’s certainly a lot of seats to Turkey for summer 2022.

[pabely]

Or couldn't get slots at LGW :}

[STN406]

New service to AYT starts 25th June, 4x weekly ops Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat.

Come peak summer holidays. I believe it’s going to be daily to 2 different Turkish destinations. AYT as mentioned and DLM I believe. Also Corendon Europe will operate RHO and HER 2-3 times a week each as well.

[pamann]

Come peak summer holidays. I believe it’s going to be daily to 2 different Turkish destinations. AYT as mentioned and DLM I believe. Also Corendon Europe will operate RHO and HER 2-3 times a week each as well.

Only AYT showing on the booking engine. The other routes showing are ex LGW unless you know something we don’t?

[STN406]

Only AYT showing on the booking engine. The other routes showing are ex LGW unless you know something we don’t?

These flights where showing an internal flight system at stansted a few weeks ago.

[davidjohnson6]

FR resume flights to Klagenfurt 2x weekly for winter 2022-23

[Buster the Bear]

More info about Corendon.

https://www.travelmole.com/news/corendon-airlines-boosts-summer-capacity/

[davidjohnson6]

In summer 2018, Wideroe opened a route from Kristiansand in Norway to Stansted. Wideroe pondered about making it a triangle route with Bergen, but by spring 2020 when Covid arrived, it was gone
Is there any hope of a non-stop STN-KRS route returning for autumn 2022 or spring 2023 ?

[AirportPlanner1]

Wideroe was to have moved the service to SEN from March 2020. They actually announced and launched SEN-BGO in 2020 but after only a couple of flights Norway imposed entry restrictions again so it was abandoned. They also had a load of slots at LCY but for now are going into LHR.

SEN remains in their system (or at least it did a few weeks ago) with nothing on sale. No idea if KRS will return for 2023, and if it does where it will go.

[davidjohnson6]

Rumour of Ryanair restarting Stansted - Edinburgh in late October 2022
https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-mainland-uk-domestic-return/

[pabely]

https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2022/june/ryanair-flights-from-stansted-could-face-serious-disruption-this-summer/

[davidjohnson6]

Is everyone looking forward to a new airline coming to STN ? Niceair's flight, operated by HiFly Malta's 9H-XFW as 5M211, is due to arrive from Akureyri in Iceland slightly before midday on 03-Jun-2022
https://flugblogg.is/2022/05/22/the-first-plane-for-niceair-is-getting-the-livery/
https://flugblogg.is/2022/03/21/why-niceair-is-not-an-airline-and-how-akureyri-will-benefit-from-it/