Stansted-4

[southside bobby]

In line with Government national policy supporting UK airports STN set to receive £8m or equivalent to the airport`s business rate for the year.

[SWBKCB]

Isn't it an amount equivalent to the airport`s business rate for the year, up to a maximum of £8m?

[southside bobby]

Yes indeed hence my use of the phrase `or equivalent` in the sentence.

Publicity from & surrounding a local MP states the generic Government news release of £8m but then she would wouldn`t she...same with other local Tory MP`s & Mayors with airport workers in their constituency it appears.

[Expressflight]

So how much will STN receive? I've no idea what their annual business rates bill is. The figure for MME is around £470,000 so I assume the STN figure is well below £8 million.

[BHX5DME]

BHX are getting the max £8m so I assume STN will too

[southside bobby]

According to a listing for year 19/20 rates due payable by STN = £12,136,320.

[southside bobby]

RYR announce further extra flights from STN between 16 Dec & 3 Jan...

11 further to Dublin
& 1 further to both Porto & Bari.

[LTNman]

I have heard lots of rumours that the world is actually flat so there must be a bit of truth in it and that a new long haul service from Stansted to the edge could start by the summer.

[southside bobby]

Anadolujet recommence SAW today.
LOG appear to have gone to 2x daily again on LDY .

[southside bobby]

LOG add extra LDY/STN on 22.12.20 28.12.20 4.1.21.

EXS add 2nd weekly STN/Santorini Sundays May/Oct alongside Tuesday service.
Now schedules 14 Greek destinations.

[southside bobby]

With LCY shelving plans to extend its operating hours that should hopefully bode well for the STN CFE/BAW weekend ops either 21/22 then.

[Harrych]

Unfortunately BA are suspendIng operations at STN and MAN in S21. Hopefully they return.

[AirportPlanner1]

It seems the Citiflyer operation has gone to Southampton for ‘21 so whether it does indeed return to STN or MAN in ‘22 remains to be seen. Certainly it did seem a stretch for them to be running a STN operation when not even their LHR or LCY activities are at full strength, not to mention LGW.

[Harrych]

I had looked at flights to Malaga in October half term 2021 usually paying close to a grand for a family of four on this trip ba were charging £350 for all four adults. If that’s during school holidays I can see why they left.

[pamann]

I was looking at flights to Mykonos with them ex Stansted but both LHR and LCY were working out cheaper. Most of their routes overlapped to be fair with FR/LS and I guess they can’t compete on frequency.

I used them a couple of years ago, flying out FR returning BA/CF. I have to say the FR flight was much better, with a really friendly crew. The CF cabin crew were stuffy and refused a second drink request on a 2hr + flight. They also wished us all a very pleasant stay in Stansted when we landed. I’m not sure any of us were planning on a vacation at Mountfitchet Castle if I’m honest.

[AirportPlanner1]

2020 was supposed to have been the third or fourth year of operation so we can probably take from that performance was satisfactory. Certainly the one time I used them it was full up front, maybe 6 or 7 rows of Club.

[pabely]

With the threatened BACargo strike at LHR, will STN be picking up alot more business?

[STN406]

How would a BA Cargo Strike mean Stansted picking up more business?

[pabely]

With no-one to load and reload belly frieght and dedicated cargo flights through BA Cargo at LHR freight forwarder may seek to reroute urgent supplies into another airport which is geared up for Cargo.

[STN406]

I very much doubt that Stansted will see an influx on new or more cargo movements more a strike at Heathrow. BA’s main cargo airline is themselves with Bell Freight and DHL.
DHL already have a big operation at East Midlands and a substantial presence at Luton.
Im my eyes the most likely change could be Qatar who operates their flights for BA Cargo. With Freight from Hong Kong. They may do an extra flight but this time of year an extra flight from Qatar isn’t unusual.
Im not saying it’s impossible Stansted might see the odd extra flight but it’s highly unlikely. Never had big changes before on previous strikes from other UK cargo hubs.

[BHX5DME]

MAG Stats – November 2020

November Pax

MAN – 166,317 down 90.9%

STN – 160,805 down 91.5%

EMA – 17,136 down 93.2%

12m Rolling Pax

STN – 9,340,917 down 66.8%

MAN – 8,755,690 down 70.2%

EMA – 1,091,665 down 76.8%

Cargo

EMA – 41,613 up 26.45%

STN – 19,810 down 9.4%

MAN – 4,417 Down 54.0%

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

How would a BA Cargo Strike mean Stansted picking up more business?
BA cargo don't handle any airlines as such. DHL is in house and QATAR are 3rd party handled.
Actually BA don't have a cargo division anymore, just like Aer Lingus, it's now IAG CARGO.

[STN406]

Just seen a Job come up for West Atlantic at Stansted. It’s for a B1 Line Engineer for ATR’s.
Currently West Atlantic only have B737’s flying into Stansted for Royal Mail.
I’m guessing they’ll be looking at starting some form of ATR service at Stansted if they are hiring engineers.
Anyone have more information of the future operations they might be looking at ? First thoughts would be re-opening flights to GCI or JER which they use to operate on ATP’s before they moved to EMA.

[daz211]

NEW ROUTE

Azores Airlines - Ponta Delgada to London Stansted. Summer seasonal flights start 3 June 2021

PDL 0720-1205 STN (Thu, Fri & Sun)

STN 1305-1605 PDL (Thu, Fri & Sun)

[Harrych]

Good connection times for BOS. Will many people use it though?

[irishlad06]

Looks like Jet2 have removed everything for sale until the 1st of Feb.

[STN406]

Jet2 have cancelled all flights up to the 31st December confirmed. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is carried on into January.

[STN406]

daz211

Very positive news for the airport.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Not surprised with Jet2 on cancelling as they have little or no destinations available left to fly too.
Both Spain and Portugal are banning flights from Tuesday from the UK to add to Turkey already announced.

[Harrych]

STN-TIA service resumes 15 June 2021 operating 3x weekly until October 23. Don’t know if this is their second or third attempt at STN? The new flights look to have more favourable operating times then before if I remember correctly.

[AirportPlanner1]

Didn’t Albawings end because of the pandemic, not because it performed poorly? Of course in the interim Air Albania briefly came and went

[STN406]

Albawings figures where very hit and miss. Always higher loads on the departures. I’d guess it would have been about 60% load factor overall

[Harrych]

Surely a 60% load factor means the route isn’t viable.

[pamann]

It’s all about yield not the load factor.

[Harrych]

Emirates now pushed back until 1st November 2021.

[davidjohnson6]

Ryanair website shows no flights between Stansted and Cagliari, Kerry, Kiev, Lviv, Perugia, Plovdiv, Podgorica, Stockholm-Skavsta, Tallinn, Trieste and Zaragoza after the end of March 2021

I'm not sure if this is a computer failure, routes being taken off sale while schedules are reworked, or a genuine culling of routes

[AirportPlanner1]

Possibly going over to Ryanair UK? Lviv, Kiev and Podgorica of course are all non-EU. The loss of Podgorica would be a particular surprise because Montenegro Airlines has just collapsed.

Some of the rest of the routes are plausible as they’re marginal but Kerry and Stockholm would be surprising

[davidjohnson6]

Luton-Kerry seems to remain on sale in S21, while Stansted-Kerry ceases to be on sale beyond late March 2021

Stansted-Stockholm Skavsta is just 2x weekly in March, so a somewhat marginal route at the moment. There is of course also Stansted-Stockholm Vasteras which is 2x weekly until end March

[JW95]

Emirates now pushed back until 1st November 2021.
Wow.. that is a long wait for sure. I miss seeing EK and their shiny 77W at STN :( It’ll be nice to see them back sooner. Hopefully as more vaccines become available, the airline industry will rebound quickly as passenger confidence in air travel comes back. 2020 has been a truly horrendous year for airlines and airports, let us hope that brighter days await them in 2021.

[pamann]

I’m guessing that it’s not just Stansted in the U.K. that’s been pushed back? With the vaccines we should be in a much better position by the summer.

[AirportPlanner1]

LGW is the same I believe. Both are hamstrung by the need for EK to use their LHR slots I suspect. That said, their total operation from the regions will be a shadow of the 2019 operation and will undoubtedly be subject to further reductions and delays.

[JW95]

Correct. For the majority of next year until at least W21, all EK London flying has been consolidated to LHR, leaving LGW and STN without service to DXB until November :(

[STN406]

The terminal will once again close from 17:00-05:00 from the 6th January. The passenger flight schedule will fall within these hours once again. No date on when the terminal is expected to reopen 24 hours. But I doubt this will happen until early February at the very earliest.

[southside bobby]

And further info perhaps before the inevitable as previously...

GA & Cargo facilities remain 24hrs.

CAT 7 RFF 24hrs with CAT10 RFF on request.

[pabely]

Yet RYR are selling flights with shedules between the NOTAM date/times terminal closures.

[davidjohnson6]

No idea if it will really happen, but SAS are selling their 2x (Mon + Sat) weekly winter seasonal Stansted-Lulea route effective 17-Dec-2021. The route was originally announced in March 2020 for commencement in December 2020

[Harrych]

The original CPH flight is now also open for reservation. Commences 31 Oct 2021. Nothing to ARN unfortunately.

[southside bobby]

SkyUp Airlines 3 weekly KBP/Kiev-STN for 2021.

[Harrych]

I thought it wasn’t confirmed which airport they would fly to, it’s not currently loaded on their website.

[STN406]

Despite social media post from today. MAG have decided to push back the terminal closure to the 11th January.

[STN406]

southside bobby

A good move with Ryanair taken KBP of sale from March.

[southside bobby]

West Atlantic Operation & further to Post #23...

A Swiftair AT72 operated MAN-STN this evening with a NPT/West Atlantic trip number.The AT72 had previously positioned into MAN from Spain.

[STN406]

Interesting, West Atlantic must have taken the contract for this flight from ASL which has operated this feeder flight from Manchester for years.

[southside bobby]

Indeed...same route,same a/c,same numbers being flown this evening with very similar timings.

[southside bobby]

UK Ltd appearing to influence some segments of corporate flying too...

Witness a recently re registered CS- to G- corporate jet of NetJets Europe with corresponding flight prefix change from NJE to NJU flying STN-ABR today.

[pabely]

Might influence some Premier League footie team charters soon, might put more work Jota's way.

[SWBKCB]

Can you explain what you mean? :confused:

[pabely]

If the CAA are putting pressure on operators to run domestic routes on G- aircraft then demand will rise for domestic operators, why else would NetJets bother to setup a G- and the extra cost that would bring?

[SWBKCB]

It's not a case of putting pressue on, it's a licencing requirement. Can't see the impact on Premier League team charters, though as they are virtually all UK anyway - Jota, Eastern, Loganair, etc?

[AircraftOperations]

southside bobby

Seems a bit irrelevant, as STN-ABR is a transatlantic route.

[pabely]

SWBKCB

Maybe right, just I have seen the odd foreign sub, but I maybe wrong in that it was not a domestic flight.

[pabely]

AircraftOperations

I suspect Aberdeen was intended destination.

[southside bobby]

Indeed/duff shorthand...intended = ABZ/Aberdeen.

[southside bobby]

Jet2/Holidays Summer`22 programme offically published shows STN with 38 destinations & peak Summer total of 175 departures per week.

[davidjohnson6]

Looks like Ryanair's routes to Kerry, Kiev and Stockholm-Vasteras have been terminated early
Podgorica, Stockholm-Skavsta, Tallinn and Trieste seem to have their end date brought forward to mid-January, while Plovdiv now ends in mid-February

[southside bobby]

Kiev...Hopefully taken up as a destination in 2021 by SkyUp Airlines who have received Ukrainian Government permit to fly Kiev-STN 3pw.

Podgorica...Ironically RYR threatened legal action against the state of Montenegro who were seeking to bail out Montenegro Airlines subsequently shutting down.

dj6... Do you post/research any other RYR destination closures from a myriad number of bases other than at the largest STN ?

[davidjohnson6]

If you're asking if I do Twitter or have a website, the answer is No, I don't - you'll have to look at SeanM1997 and TheAeroNetwork instead

I live in London - my interest is smaller routes in the south east of the UK and also small airports across Europe. Thin routes to the UK tend to be heavily weighted towards Stansted/Ryanair and Luton/Wizz

[southside bobby]

Righto...Thanks for posts...

[davidjohnson6]

Ryanair seem to be cutting further instead of letting routes continue until late March
Cagliari - already terminated
Perugia, Zaragoza - will now end mid January

On the other hand, Poitiers is reinstated

[Keanaga]

STN-CAG has just taken off 18.30

[davidjohnson6]

Are Air Corsica planning on operating their summer seasonal routes from STN in 2021 ? The Air Corsica website doesn't allow booking of STN flights

[southside bobby]

Even before the Pandemic CCM/Air Corsica had stated for seasons `21 & onward they would consider ops from STN or a transfer to any other suitable LON terminal.

[BHX5DME]

December 2020 Pax

Manchester – 248,451 down 87.4%

Stansted – 198,291 down 90.1%

East Midlands – 15,065 down 92.7%

2020

Stansted – 7,543,779 down 73.2%

Manchester – 7,037,036 down 76.0%

East Midlands – 899,756 down 80.8%

Cargo

East Midlands – 46,320 up 43.5%

Stansted – 23,136 up 18.8%

Manchester – 4,693 down 46.6%

[southside bobby]

Stansted Airport`s planning appeal for approval to 43.5m pax pa begins online today with live streaming...

Inquiry Inspectors rejected calls (by SSE) for a three month deferral because of the Pandemic...

[Harrych]

With Norwegian stopping all long haul flights it can’t be good for STN’s chances of gaining JetBlue.

[Alteagod]

Jetblue might just not bother with TA at all now.

[Harrych]

They have confirmed they are just with a delay, flights should start in Q3.

[southside bobby]

Jet2/Holidays...In addition to the 38 destinations from STN in 2022 recently published Jet2 have announced the reintroduction of a further 5 destinations...Tiviat,Girona,Costa de Almeria,Nice & Malta.

[STN406]

I thought Jet2 had already had operation to GRO, NCE and MLA. Also thought LEI had been operated in the past ? Might be wrong though.

[southside bobby]

Yes...Guess the key word is "reintroduction".
For Summer 2022 though takes the total number of destinations on offer by EXS from STN to 43.

[pamann]

STN406

Im pretty sure that the destinations were pulled for Summer 21 due to low booking numbers/uncertainty, but are now being reintroduced for Summer 22.

[STN406]

southside bobby

Oh sorry I must have miss read your post.

[southside bobby]

No worries...we have to "box clever" I guess with many of these airline releases particularly featuring programming 15 months ahead but hopefully brought back to life from the mess of previous canx/abandoned plans due the Pandemic.

[Tranceaddict]

Current overnight terminal closures extended until Friday 26th March

[AirportPlanner1]

It will be longer than that I’m pretty certain. Not that it means much under the circumstances but I think STN could plummet down the passenger league this year. It was frequently #2 for movements and pax in Lockdown 1 and beyond but this time round most days it’s behind LGW and LTN, plus MAN and others.

[southside bobby]

Not so sure of the above correlation & semantics...

However...for what it`s worth= not so much in these terrible times for the nation.

[terrain safe]

AirportPlanner1

No, it's not. See here: https://www.eurocontrol.int/Economics/DailyTrafficVariation-States.html

[southside bobby]

Good source & great info...knew I wasn`t dreaming...

Referring to a different source MAN arrivals on Thursday were in totality 29...of which 3 were cargo/4 were corporate with that total also including 2 military helicopters & at least 1 positioning flight.

A non-scientific observation at STN in recent days does however appear to indicate further RYR reductions apart from the continuous test circuits being flown.

[sewushr]

AirportPlanner1

Stansted certainly isn't behind Gatwick in terms of commercial movements and isn't likely to be for a while. Gatwick handling single figure numbers of arriving passenger flights on most days next week. Of course Stansted's movements are boosted by freight and business jets, but roughly 3 times more movements than Gatwick at the moment (excluding positioning and circular flights at both).

[AirportPlanner1]

To be fair I did clearly say passenger league. I’m well aware of freight and other movements.

[southside bobby]

Given the parlous state of the industry is this really a discussion to be semantically furthered at this time one may wonder.

[Keanaga]

Jet2 to add twice weekly ATH from next April 2022.

[southside bobby]

Good news with ATH...now for a total of 44 Jet2 destinations from STN Summer`22.

Interestingly also received leafleting locally with the post yesterday for STN Jet2 Summer`21 showing 39 destinations.

[LTNman]

Seems the public can cut through the fence at Stansted and run amok airside and no offence was committed.

'Stansted 15' win appeal against conviction for deportation flight protest https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-55859455

[davidjohnson6]

An offence was committed... just not the offence prosecutors chose to claim had taken place. If prosecutors chose a less serious offence, they may well have gained a conviction

[Buster the Bear]

They were convicted of the intentional disruption of services at an aerodrome (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-46510776). Were they just there for a picnic and a bit of plane spotting? Probably did not think about the effects on an international airport, of cutting their way in and entering the manoeuvring area would have? What now, a fine and a 'don't do it again?'

[Harrych]

BACF flights now on sale to:
BER 1x weekly
CMF 2x weekly
Currently available from 18 December

[commit aviation]

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/sata-azores-airlines-to-resume-service-from-stansted

Some positive news subject to the usual Covid caveats of course

[SealinkBF]

LTNman

They can’t. They were charged as terrorists which was not correct.

[BHX5DME]

January 2021

MAN – 127,638 down 92.8%

STN – 104,477 down 94.5%

EMA – 4,802 down 97.5%

12m rolling

STN – 5,745,700 down 79.6%

MAN – 5,388,648 down 81.7%

EMA – 713,989 down 84.7%

Cargo

EMA – 32,777 up 9.2%

STN – 23,173 up 48.4%

MAN – 3,879 down 51.5%

[southside bobby]

The obvious reflection on the numbers is that a cargo network can add something at least to the business in what is becoming overall an even more parlous situation for all airports.

[STN406]

Overnight terminal closure will be extended till April 12th now instead of March 28th. The chance of this being extended again is also likely with management stating this could be as late as May 13th but no later than this date.

[pamann]

What’s the purpose of the night closures? Is it just due to the reduced traffic? Or are they using it to work on the terminal redevelopment?

[AirportPlanner1]

Minimises costs, especially considering as a whole loads are fairly light. Gatwick for example generally has a similar number of flights, sometimes more sometimes less, but ends up staying open longer for the odd arrival or departure.

[pamann]

I thought the overnight closures had started pre covid?

[FRatSTN]

Terminal closure is to reduce cost. There's certainly no visible Terminal transformation works going ahead for the foreseeable other than the baggage upgrade and enhanced cleaning. I imagine the terminal will stay closed as long as it's possible to consolidate schedules into those hours. Just domestic gates being used too so as for Satellite 1 and 2 international gates I guess that could be peak summer if at all.

[STN406]

pamann

The overnight closure is due to reduced flight operations. Though I know Ryanair would operate more flights if the terminal was open all night but that’s my opinion. Also it gives MAG the benefit of having minimal staff numbers in so meaning they can furlough a majority of the workforce and save money for the meantime.
MAG have had a ban on all new construction work at Stansted since around May last year any project that continued where ones that where already payed for. Such as the new HBS (Hold Baggage System) which has just been completed 2 months ahead of schedule.
The overnight closure began around end of March/early April last year can’t remember exact dates. But the terminal has reopened over night since then but during each lockdown MAG made the decision to close overnight each time.

[SpringHeeledJack]

A Stansted question, though about airlines and their movements. Over the last few days I've noted perhaps 30 or more test flights of both Ryanair and Jet2 that power up, taxi, takeoff, do a circuit of no more than 10mins, land and power down again. These are obviously test flights, but bearing in mind that they are so many, all with different aircraft it piqued my curiosity as to why. Are they just being cycled through to keep them in airworthy condition bearing in mind the UK winter climate, or something else ?

[SWBKCB]

I think for the 737, if it's parked for more than 30 days you have to move to a more thorough storage regime - inhibitors and that sort of thing, so that's the reason for the regular short flights.

[southside bobby]

Appear to be referred to as "preservation flights" both as stated above & keeping crews valid.

[Yeehaw22]

SWBKCB

On the 737 If parked for less than 14 days (used to be 7) = normal parking. Quick flight round the block and the timer resets again.

Over 14 and your into active storage = fair bit of maintenance required and scheduled maint at 10/14/30/60 (tel:10/14/30/60) day intervals but no flights req.

[SpringHeeledJack]

Thanks for the explanations, there must be quite a number of Ryanair 737's parked up at STN at the moment.

[STN406]

In normal time Stansted’s operational fleet is usually around the 40 mark. Where as currently parked up it’s possible closer to the 90 mark this includes Lauda planes to.

[SpringHeeledJack]

That's a lot of 737's !

Out of interest, do Airbus have the same 'parking/storage' parameters as Boeing ? I ask because EasyJet must have a load of A320 family aircraft at LGW/MAN etc and I don't think that I've seen many test flights to keep them in 'parked' status.

[Double Hydco]

EZY have been doing circuits to keep the aircraft parked. During Lockdown 1 there were lots parked at STN and we’d see them fly over.

Ryanair had (have?) quite a number of Lauda A320’s stored at Stansted and I’ve seen one or two doing a maintenance circuit....

[Double Hydco]

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[southside bobby]

Appears the Loganair LDY service is set to continue the use of STN through to 2023.

[planeema971]

Does anyone know what’s happening with UPS at STN? Seems their 747 service no longer does CGN - STN - HKG and rather direct to HKG.

also have heard that some UPS services will be stopped from the airport and transferred elsewhere? Any ideas which ones/ when?

[STN406]

The HKG flight stopped operating a while ago now. I heard it was due to initial crew shortage in Europe, but haven’t heard anything in a while. I know it always left extremely full most days.

I have never heard any rumours of UPS leaving Stansted. I find this very doubtful though. I know they also operate to EMA and EDI but I doubt they would want to truck all south of England freight from EMA though. Also I doubt they’d move to another London airport.

[southside bobby]

STN-HKG direct with the B748 not flown since the Hong Kong authorities imposed Covid restrictions on the country due discovery of the UK variant.

UPS fly mainly a B763 to CGN in the slot as a feeder replacement.

UPS transferred it`s original STN service back in the day to EMA but reinstated some time later probably due to market demand.

[AirportPlanner1]

Genuine question, which hopefully won’t be jumped on.

Is talk of UPS reduction or relocation Brexit-related or something else? Has there been a downturn in volume for them and Fedex generally? I ask this as Amazon have significantly reduced their UK operation since Jan 1st due to Brexit.

[STN406]

I don’t think FedEx has had a downturn. They have at least 1 extra flight in and out each night either a MD11 or B77F. And the TNT side of FedEx has had an extra B734 flight most nights to.
Noticed recently that at peak times FedEx will have a aircraft waiting on the taxiway as stand space isn’t available.

[Flightmech]

No downturn for FedEx. As STN406 says extra-section MD11/777 flights multiple times per week and also utilising the weekend layover 777 for an extra STN-MEM-STN

[Harrych]

Ryanair launching new Greek routes, all start this summer operating 2 pw:
PVK
ZTH
JTR

[southside bobby]

Ryanair STN-Greece.

Latest schedules from July 1 include...

Prevesa 2pw
Zakynthos 2pw
Santorini 2pw
Rhodes 3pw

[southside bobby]

30th Anniversary of official opening of Stansted`s new terminal by HM The Queen on 15.3.91.

Since then nearly 4m flights have passed through.

Due to the pandemic traffic figures for the last 12 months reflect 1994 levels however.

[Harrych]

AnadoluJet increasing the SAW route to 3x daily between 15 July and 15 September.

[STN406]

Not surprising at all this. Preformed very well in the summer months last year with additional SAW with DLM and AYT added to.

[BHX5DME]

Feb Pax

MAN = 79,408 down 95.5%

STN = 34,967 down 98.1%

EMA = 255 down 99.9%



Rolling 12m pax

STN = 3,903,227 down 86.1%

MAN = 3,688,509 down 87.4%

EMA = 519,779 down 88.8%



Feb Cargo

EMA = 34,053 up 23.6%

STN = 19,832 up 51.9%

MAN = 4,174 down 41.8%

[southside bobby]

As expected the only positive for STN is once again the cargo network.

[AirportPlanner1]

My rough calculation of about 47 departures/arrivals per week on average gives about 93 pax per flight. Clearly most will be higher because Loganair will be carrying significantly less.

You do wonder why so many are travelling, and what checks are being done to make sure it’s essential.

[davidjohnson6]

With maybe 4 or 5 international passenger departures per day, I think traffic at STN is extraordinarily low - it seems no-travel rules are being adhered to pretty strictly by the general population.
You could send police to interrogate everyone... but I'm not sure that would achieve much in reducing Covid transmission rates. I would be much more concerned at the rather larger number of flights at Heathrow

[Spanish eyes]

Well that doesn’t apply to Luton. Plenty of flights each day to Eastern Europe and now to holiday destinations on the Med particularly at weekends when so called essential travel away happens.

[southside bobby]

MAG/STN Planning Appeal for 43.5m pax pa.
All observers both opponents & allies appear in agreement that the local authority has failed in the Appeal which has ended more than two weeks early.
Amongst rancour within different areas of the Council concerning the Appeal MAG looks likely to press for a seven figure award of costs.
The Inspectors decision is expected in three months.

[LTNman]

The Council is just doing its duty to oppose airport expansion, which is why it was voted into power in the first place due to a rebellion by the locals who put up alternative candidates at the local election.

Contrast that to Luton where the airport owner is the planning authority and where the locals are just ignored.

[southside bobby]

"The Council is just doing its duty"...

Yes so much for local democracy up to the tune of a £3m bill in costs with new District Councillors involved in the farce defying advice from their own planning officers & legal council in a planning matter which had already been Council approved & which had forced the MAG Appeal.
Wonder who funds the bill for the charade?...of course every local household & business in UDC.
Perhaps some of those who are either for the airport or agnostic on the matter would rather they were "just ignored"
But seriously the situation with planning at Luton will not continue as it has in the past.

[AirportPlanner1]

R4U’s official position isn’t actually against the airport or even necessarily additional flights, although they do want to limit night flights. They are more interested in mitigation and solving local annoyances such as parking controls. It seemed to me that the Councillors ‘went rogue’, and I can’t see it ending well for them. Realistically they are only in power because of a Brexit backlash which saw the Tories wiped out, down to just 4 seats from having controlled the Council. R4U had 26, but 3 since defected to the Greens.

[southside bobby]

Possibly so but in essence the R4U majority acted in an undemocratic manner reversing a planning decision made by full Council six months prior to their election.

They were advised by planning officers & legal advisors that reversing the decision would be found failing & with large costs in the event of an Appeal by MAG which duly happened.

[daz211]

FlyPop are rumoured to be acquiring their first Aircraft within the next two week.
but no word of seats going on sale as yet.

[southside bobby]

...Moving rather quickly now then perhaps.
Recently stated either a July or October start with the founder styling himself now as the Sikh MoL which may relate to an advertising association with STN but stated as still in talks with LGW/BHX/EMA too.
Working on a deal to lease up to 10 a/c.

[LTNman]

I don’t want to :mad: on the party but I just see these potential new flights as low cost services to Covid 19 and potential new variants. Why not introduce a direct service to Brazil just for good measure? This year is not the right time.

[southside bobby]

No worries LTNman not sure you are spoiling a party certainly not a STN party.

The "airline" appears to be putting its self out there for the benefit of new potential investors.

Of course the pandemic will have an influence on proceedings (but see above).

Possibly if acquiring a first aeroplane maybe eying the cargo market to start towards an AOC...Only a thought.

In a recent statement say are talking to LGW/STN/BHX/EMA to fly two destinations so premature to claim it is a STN party.

Fair go with your thinking as long perhaps as you carry the same sentiment on in the LHR thread too as Vistara & Spice Jet from the Indian sub continent have been awarded slots there this Summer

[BA318]

Potential new variants exist for all of time. Might as well just lock everything up and never do anything. COVID-19 was a new variant. And as we saw with the Kent variant they can occur anywhere.

[LTNman]

Southside bobby,

I have concerns where some communities have a reluctance to take a vaccine travelling to countries where next to no one is vaccinated or tested, whether they are flying from Stansted, Luton or Heathrow. There is being proactive and there is being reactive and this is one airline I would not welcome this year.

[southside bobby]

LTNman...

Whilst not denying your legitimate concerns I would humbly suggest you possibly take those concerns elsewhere now.
The STN forum is not the place for a Government vaccine roll out programme debate.

[AirportPlanner1]

Agreed this isn’t the place for vaccine debate, although I would note India is the world’s third highest vaccinator and a major producer. So perhaps concerns about Indian route risks are overblown

[Vokes55]

LTNman

Then stay hidden behind your sofa, and don’t forget to change your bed sheets every day. The rest of the world is moving on.

[ATNotts]

AirportPlanner1

Given the size of its population and its manufacturing capability it's quite surprising India isn't top of the list for number of vaccinations, however per capita wise I imagine they have vaccinated but a miniscule of their proportion of their population.

FlyPop looks like yet another in a string of virtual airlines, they even state on their website that they are looking to begin operations without their own AOC! Recent history is littered with these carriers that look to flog seats at rock bottom prices to ex-pats through ethnic (perhaps to be more PC one should say "specialist") travel agencies in cities such at Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford and London; their "wish list" of UK airports reflects that to some extent. I just feel for families who are fooled into parting with hard earned cash for a trip back home to see the relatives, in all probability blissfully unaware of the status of the "airline".

I shall be amazed if it takes off at all, let alone lasts more than a few weeks. That said, I suppose one company could make the business model work, and I could be eating my hat in 12 months time!

[daz211]

FlyPOP.
Im hearing the Aircraft my not be the previous mentioned A330 and could well be B789.

[southside bobby]

An interesting development with the B789 as perhaps the A330 would have larger below deck cargo capacity.

There must be many low lease rates readily available on both types in the current circumstances however which maybe why plans are being advanced.

[pamann]

ATNotts

One thing I will say for FlyPop is that it’s been a long time in the making. Their website is more professional than some ‘real’ airlines.

There’s also said to be significant investment from the U.K. government’s future fund...

FlyPop News (https://www.flypop.com/16/308/flypop-announces-investment)

[AirportPlanner1]

ATNotts - Not that I want to extend vaccine chat further but India has done about 5% of their population which isn’t too bad by global standards

[southside bobby]

The airline`s genesis goes back originally to 2014.

[daz211]

southside bobby

I believe if they go with the 789 it will be ex Norwegian.

[STN406]

Think LTNMan is just jealous that STN and LGW are both being looked at as a potential for another new long haul venture and LTN has to stick with short haul only 🤣

[daz211]

MOL update on Ryanair’s Boeing (https://www.boeing.com/) 737 Max order and said that Ryanair expected to take delivery of the first 737 Max in April 2021 and expects to operate 16 of the type in 2021.

Asked about consumer confidence in the 737 Max Mr O’Leary said that any passenger that didn’t feel comfortable flying on the aircraft could get the next available flight at no cost, they could not however disembark and seek a refund.

From... Uk aviation news.

[davidjohnson6]

Ryanair to start new route to Zagreb from 01 September

[southside bobby]

...Yes from their new base in Zagreb announced today.

[southside bobby]

Zagreb will be a RYR by Lauda Europe base.
Service to STN will be by LDA A320 daily.

[southside bobby]

Re the Norwegian B787`s they had assembled a fleet of over 30 with a mix of 8`s & 9`s within the various offshoots.

Norse Atlantic Airways have in recent days signed for 9 with a combination of both models.

Should leave a candidate or two for flypop then notwithstanding remedial work required on some with the engine issues.

[Harrych]

Is LGW set in stone for Norse Atlantic or could STN also be a candidate?

[davidjohnson6]

Have Ryanair changed Aalborg in Denmark to a summer seasonal route ? I'm pretty sure a few weeks ago that STN-AAL was being sold for winter 2021-22

[southside bobby]

Previously we would all have been stunned & stultified by instant "incoming" from both detractors & naysayers to even raise such an innocent thought but probably beneficial for the thread they all appear more recently to have had their say on long-haul.

[daz211]

Jet2 are set to announce 2 more New routes

STN - OLB
STN - CTA

[STN406]

The current overnight closures of the terminal building 17:00 – 05:00 will be extended through to Saturday 1st May 2021, with the final overnight closure on Friday 30th April 2021.
The terminal will re-open at 05:00 on Saturday 1st May 2021 after which it will remain open 24hrs.

[STN406]

Good addition to the Jet2 network and Stansted overall network as well.
Both 2 weekly from late May and then weekly in October.

[Harrych]

Anadolujet to add 3 weekly STN-BJV from 21 June for the summer season. I don’t think Jet2 ever replaced the capacity on the route after easyJet left, which could be why they’re having a go. This now also means that TK now fly up to 7 times day from STN! They have also applied for slots to operate ADB this summer.

[Harrych]

The SATA Azores route from STN is no longer available to book.

[STN406]

Excellent news from AnadoluJet/Turkish Airlines.
Just looked up flights and yes for example on Monday 9th August we would have 7 flights in and out of STN to 5 destinations, be great if ADB is added as well.

SAW 0845-1055 STN
AYT 0910-1130 STN
ESB 0910-1140 STN
DLM 1015-1225 STN
BJV 1100-1315 STN
SAW 1235-1425 STN
SAW 2020-2210 STN

STN 1150-1750 SAW
STN 1225-1825 AYT
STN 1240-1845 ESB
STN 1320-1915 DLM
STN 1410-1940 BJV
STN 1525-2100 SAW
STN 2355-0600 SAW

[pabely]

With Covid cases going steeply upwards at the moment in Turkey, let's hope this is not to over opportunistic!

[LTNman]

Vokes55

Seems like the government thinks along the same lines as me rather then the rubbish you spout with your pathetic insults. Pakistan and Bangladesh banned next week and maybe India before Fly Pop launches flights to Stansted?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56614950

[LTNman]

This is about Stansted and Fly Pop and its potential new service

[BA318]

LTNman

I mean HMG have hardly covered themselves in glory during this whole situation so I’m not sure you can confidently say they are correct. The fact that they will exempt nurses from the Philippines shows it’s all just a game. Either there is a risk or there isn’t. If the risk is high enough that anyone from there needs to be isolated in a hotel for 10 days then it’s enough risk that a nurse from there could also get it.

There will forever be a risk of virus mutations or new variants. That’s how the world works. Either you open up with sensible precautions or you close your self off to the world ala North Korea style.

[LTNman]

BA318

Now the thread has deviated away from Stansted.

[southside bobby]

...and perhaps the Machiavellian ploy to start with.

[Vokes55]

LTNman

Aside from the points made by others about the government’s red list, last time I checked Pakistan and Bangladesh aren’t India. You don’t help yourself, do you?

[Expressflight]

Simply on a point of fairness LTNman made that perfectly clear in his initial post.

[Harrych]

Even if India was added to the red list next week there would be no reason that it wouldn’t come off the list again after a month or two. A country being put on the list doesn’t mean it’s a write off, just look at Portugal.

[Vokes55]

Nowhere in the article he posted does it mention “maybe India”. Suggesting so just because Pakistan and Bangladesh have is ignorant at best, although somewhat unsurprising.

[Harrych]

AnadoluJet have now added ADB 3 weekly commencing 21 June.

[STN406]

Excellent news. That makes 8 daily flights in and out on Mondays now then.

[pabely]

As reported on Loganair thread, not unexpectedly, Derry flights showing ending up at LHR T2 from 28th May but booking engine doesn't reflect this yet.

[STN406]

Any links to this? Only early March DfT agreed to carry on funding the route to Stansted from Derry until 2023.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-56290196

[pabely]

Heathrow.com arrivals, search dates and airline, shows as a destination & schedule.

[daz211]

I’m hearing a Press Conference will be held on Thursday, this links in with previous comments regarding an aircraft order this month.

[daz211]

press conference now due Monday.

[daz211]

FlyPop has announced that it has signed a multiple aircraft order for the A330-300 the lease deal is with Avolon.

[southside bobby]

Another step forward...now to apply for an AOC with the lease agreement signed.

Good solid workhorse in the A333...seating will be 400+

[pabely]

Hope they don't go Tech as no local A330 operators and expertise. Air India & Jet tried them but gave them up.

[southside bobby]

..........& there it is!

Took longer than thought though `bout 6 hrs.

[pabely]

Just with the Avolon connection and them having plenty of ex Rednose dreamliners sitting around I would have thought they would be a better solution than some old 330CEOs.

[VickersVicount]

Even now, the leasing costs for a new start are significant between those two types, am I missing something?

[pamann]

southside bobby

Some of the regulars are that predictable.

[Harrych]

POP have now added Kolkata and Goa to their destination list on their website. I was also wondering how long it would take for them to board a 400+ seat a330 if they use STN’s single jet bridges.

[brian_dromey]

Do turn around times really matter for long-haul? I would think cargo unload/offload and refuelling would be rate limiting, rather than passenger loading. Plenty of airports worldwide board and disembark A330s via a single airbridge, DUB being one and almost all US airports that I can think of.

[pamann]

Norwegian(did)/Tui seat 340+ on their B789’s I believe. What’s an extra 60 odd passengers? An extra 5 minutes boarding?

[cavokblues]

Whats the seating config on the Emirates 777? Must be close to a similar figure?

I'm intrigued by FlyPop's promise to have a fixed pricing structure. IMO it seems an unnecessary promise and limits how you can manage your yield.

[Harrych]

The 777s that EK use at STN seat 354 passengers.
i agree with your comment on pricing structure, they should be focusing on being flexible in their pricing structure to enable them to maximise yields.

[davidjohnson6]

Does "fixed pricing structure" mean that all pax on a single flight will pay the same price ?
I couldn't see anything on the website saying this, and wasn't sure what is being referred to. Would somebody be able to point me to where "fixed pricing structure" is mentioned on FlyPop's blurb ?

[Harrych]

My understanding of it (but maybe I misunderstood) was that it referred to POP setting a maximum fare limit on all of their flights, therefore during busy times of year they could miss out on higher yields.

[esscee]

Thought Titan were getting a A330? Just because no obvious A330 operators at STN does not mean there is no expertise present.

[cavokblues]

The fare structure is mentioned here - https://simpleflying.com/flypop-airbus-a330-aircraft-lease/

The airline will offer flights on a fixed fare scale. The cheapest tickets will start at £350, and never exceed £750. The lowest fares will only include a seat on the aircraft. However, there will be no nasty surprises as the default fare will include a checked bag and a meal.

[daz211]

Rumours of STN-EWR and YYC in 2022.

[FRatSTN]

I'll believe that when I see it. High density A333, no premium/business cabin, presumably once daily at most. For India/Pakistan maybe, but doesn't sound like a recipe for success on London-New York if you ask me.

[SWBKCB]

I think they will be marketed as through flights from the US to India/Pakistan.

[davidjohnson6]

Small start-up airline that wants to fly from London to multiple long-haul routes as a pseudo-hub and not bother with short haul, while a pandemic has yet to end. It's certainly ambitious...

[daz211]

SWBKCB

Correct... will be ticketed India/Pakistan - America/Canada with a change at Stansted.

[SWBKCB]

The market they're aiming at is on the website - the aim is clearly to link up large local populations:Our Vision We are our customer. flypop is an airline for the South Asian diaspora run by the members of the asian diaspora.

We want to make travelling ‘home’ an affordable proposition for everyone.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Does Stansted currently have airside flight connections facilities without passengers entering the UK? Last time I was through you could just walk out of the departure lounge and leave for landside.
You can't have that if you are allowing India-STN-US connecting traffic access? And anyone flying from India onto the US needs to reclear security to UK DfT guidines before departing again. Maybe a secure gate set up on Sat 1?

[southside bobby]

New low-cost airport in Albania...Kukes International Airport Zayed-NorthWings "officially" opened on Sunday with Air Albania/ABN flying repatriation/promo sectors STN/Tirana/Kukes.

Air Albania due to start flying to STN in June.

[STN406]

Skipness One Foxtrot

Stansted no longer has a connection area. If I remember correctly in the BAA days there was this facility.
Can you be more clear? You can’t just leave the departure lounge straight for airside.

Sat1 does have the ability to be able to used as a transit/connection area but is only possible for how it seems FlyPop want to operate US. Land from India and offload. Passengers split from up, arrival to the UK goes to immigration and connection to US can be check in one of the gate areas which can be converted to a small security area and then allowed to go to the new departure gate in SAT1.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

There is/was a one way departure door out of the departure lounge for landside with no return possible, saw it last time I was through although that's 2 years ago now. Maybe it's gone. It was well signposted, caught my eye, for people who miss flights I guess.

[pamann]

Don’t all airports offer this? People miss flights at every airport and need an exit route other than the apron.

Transfer facilities have existed before. The reason they’re not there now is that currently they are not required. They can easily be put in when/if the need arises.

[STN406]

Only ways of exiting the departures lounge is by getting on your flight and exiting via a staff security area and then customs (Signposted as Returning Passengers)
There is an exit for domestic arrivals via the link bridge to SAT2 but this is manned by security so you can’t freely exit from here.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

This is to stop people buying Duty Free goods and not travelling? So how do you get out if you miss your flight? There was an exit last time I was through, 100%, it must have been removed as I remember filing it for future reference as a handy to know. There are always people who miss their flights every day, there must be an offical way to exit airside if you're not travelling. I mean they don't actually check the domestic arrivals, you could head to Sat 2 lower level then put a jacket and hat on and just exit with the hordes of arriving easyJet passengers (!) but I'm sure there's an official way.

[STN406]

No I have worked at Stansted for many years and we don’t have or have ever had what you are describing. The only ways of exiting are the ones that I have previously stated.

[pamann]

So what happens when a whole flight of say 300 passengers gets cancelled at the gate?

There has to be a way out of the departure lounge. Every airport has to have this facility somewhere. There definitely has to be one at Stansted. Maybe a question for a handling agent?

[STN406]

Don’t try and be condescending by saying it’s a question for a handling agent.
As previously mentioned it’s would be exiting via a staff security area and then customs (Signposted as Returning Passengers) This is the exit for of one individual has missed his flight or a Ryanair flight is cancelled.

[pamann]

Not trying to be condescending at all. I have no knowledge of your role at the airport, if indeed you work there? Just suggesting that perhaps one of the airport handling agents might have an answer.

No need to get all defensive over a simple suggestion.

[STN406]

I have given you the answer. It is the correct answer.
If you don’t have the knowledge, and ask a question, be grateful for the answer and response.

[pamann]

Chill out.

Why is everyone on this website so highly strung?

[BHX5DME]

March Pax

Manchester – 95,798 down 89.8%

Stansted – 44,259 down 95.0%

East Midlands – 71 down 99.9%

12m end 31.03.21 Pax

Stansted – 3,069,220 down 88.6%

Manchester – 2,841,407 down 89.9%

East Midands – 413,321 down 90.8%

March Cargo

East Midlands - 40,908 up 29.4%

Stansted – 26,176 up 53.3%

Manchester – 4,046 down 39.5%

[STN406]

Once again the powers at be have decided to extend the overnight terminal closure.
The current overnight closures of the terminal building 17:00 – 05:00 will be extended through to Sunday 16th May 2021, with the final overnight closure on Saturday 15th May 2021.
The terminal will re-open at 05:00 on Sunday 16th May 2021 after which it will remain open 24hrs.

[southside bobby]

EXS launch year round city breaks STN-Funchal/Madeira from Nov1 ops on Days 1 & 5.

[STN406]

Pretty sure Jet2 had FNC on year round operations prior to flight suspensions.

[southside bobby]

PGT offering STN-BUS Batumi/Georgia via Istanbul/SAW from 7.5.21 at 2pw.
Credit Routes...

[FRatSTN]

FNC is not a new flight destination, in fact its one of the original routes from when the base launched in 2017. Just that they're now offering city break packages in Funchal as well as the usual Jet2holidays packages.

[pamann]

southside bobby

This is surely just a connection? Like they offer connections to loads of destinations via SAW.

[southside bobby]

Certainly....In response to the answers with both my previous posts...

[STN406]

Something that is a new route addition is Ryanair adding Stockholm Arlanda for the winter season. Starting 31st October and operating daily for the whole winter season. No summer schedule on sale as of yet.

[southside bobby]

Quote above..."Something that is a new route addition is"...

Why the jaundiced manner & allusion...Regarding the PGT "connection" over STN-BUS certainly Routes were interested enough to publish one of their own Routes Analysis on Stansted- Batumi for what its worth.

As to the year round EXS Funchal it was announced as a Jet2 Holidays addition to its City Breaks offerings which I imagined all could interpret from my post that stated "city breaks" within it...but then obviously not...Ah well...

BTW good news re ARN.

[southside bobby]

With the green light for Portugal from 17th May RYR put on sale STN-Lisbon STN-Porto STN-Faro all at 14pw.

[southside bobby]

Correction...Actually appears STN-Faro will be at 17pw.

[STN406]

Arkia to resume flights to Stansted from 01st July.
They’ll operate 3 times per week. Wed, Thu and Sun.
Operating up to the 28th October.

[Playamar2]

Arkia website says flights are to Heathrow, 3 per week from 1st July

[FRatSTN]

Some quite significant changes to the TUI Summer 2022 programme:

Faro, Hurghada, Kos and Larnaca all dropped. (Kos has been added at Luton, replacing Zante).

Dalaman reduced from 4 to 3 weekly (new Tuesday flight but both Thursday rotations cancelled).

Increased frquency to Antalya (2 to 3 weekly), Gran Canaria (1 to 2 weekly), Kefalonia (1 to 2 weekly) and Palma de Mallorca (3 to 4 weekly).

Overall result gives one less weekly rotation with a gap on Sunday afternoons. Either a new flight/route should be expected to replace the Larnaca flight or the new Sunday morning Palma could change to a w-pattern away somewhere.

[southside bobby]

Originally planned for Stansted SAS will now fly the Winter Lulea service 2pw from LHR.

[BHX5DME]

April 2021 Pax

Stansted – 84,553 up 517.5%

Manchester – 82,218 up 244%

East Midlands – 78 up 32.2%


12m rolling end 30.04.21

Stansted – 3,140,402 down 87.2%

Manchester – 2,899,742 down 88.8%

East Midlands – 413,340 down 89.9%


April 2021 Cargo

East Midlands – 40,439 up 48.8%

Stansted – 23,519 up 26.0%

Manchester – 3,830 up 288.2%

[southside bobby]

In both of the recent numbers tables for all three MAG airports indicators then = all positive~~one could say.

[davidjohnson6]

Play from Iceland apparently going to open a Stansted-Keflavik route on 24 June
Not entirely convinced about the start date though...

[pabely]

Not wanting to make a 'Play' on words, but is 'Now' really a 'Prime'ra time to launch? :)

[BA318]

Given Iceland is open to US vaccinated travellers and Brits it’s probably the best time possible.

[southside bobby]

Encouraging news then with PLAY.

AOC received...large backing & 3 A321`s signed for overall.

[davidjohnson6]

I think I have to eat my words. Tickets to Iceland now on sale

[NickBarnes]

Bagged myself the free flights as well, fingers crossed they are successful

[southside bobby]

Yes firming up now...

PLAY on Days1.4.5.7 departures ex STN 1610. FF 24.6.

[southside bobby]

UPS 4 reinstated today with B748F to HKG replacing the morning B763F UPS 263 feeder to CGN which has operated in lieu.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Avgeek question, FedEx's N573FE operated in on Monday as FX34, departing later only to fly a circuit to land, anyone advise what the issue was? Seems to still be parked up?

[G-ANPK]

S.O.F
Had a problem with an engine, a replacement has arrived , aircraft towed to the Diamond hangar area for the new one to be fitted..

[STN406]

Terminal building reopened fully for 24 hour operations as of yesterday morning at 0500.
Departures end of the terminal will still be closed off overnight between 2300-0300 to passengers, this was standard practice prior to the full overnight closure. Some nights timings might change depending on last and first flight departure times.