Air Niugini's subsidiary - LINK PNG

[olderairhead]

Time for an update on where the pilots are with regards the Court Orders which precluded the expats from being included.

The information that I have received indicates that with the changeover of company lawyers things got a bit messy with regards submitted affidavits, applications etc etc.

Compounding this was the delay in issuing the Orders which then meant the appeal date closure had passed. My information is that you have up to 40 days to lodge an appeal yet the Orders were issued after 40 days.

So another appeal has to be lodged to extend the appeal date. This has now been done and they await a hearing to determine if their appeal is successful. If so then they can lodge another appeal against the actual Orders to have the PNGAPA to be included in the Orders.

I hope my very reduced summary of what I have received covers the main points. There is a lot more information available but I have kept this post as simple as possible.

Meanwhile life in paradise continues as normal - dismally.

[balusnomore]

Is it thought a bit sus that the Orders got issued after the Appeal period finished so they couldn't appeal??

Or am I reading too much of the old conspiracy suff into it all??

[olderairhead]

Time for some light humour.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1783061895045035&id=874724655878768

Over 20,000 grade 12 students right across the country sat for the Written Expression Examination today.

EMTV News visited two schools in Port Moresby – Jubilee Catholic Secondary and Port Moresby National High – which saw over 300 students start the exams on time, at 8:30am.

The three-hour exam was based on the topic of Air Niugini’s achievements in recent years.

The second lot of National Exams for Grade 12 students will be in October.

#EMTVNews #PNG

[DHC8 Driver]

This is how third world dictatorships brainwash the youth of their country. I'm sure Kim Jong Un gets the kids in North Korea to write similar bull****. Seems the PM picked up quite a few good pointers from Michael Mugabe during his recent visit. Shame on you Papua Niugini government. You are a disgrace.

[olderairhead]

An interesting article.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/08/22/pngu-a22.html

[Allan Lupton]

An interesting article.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/08/22/pngu-a22.html

I wonder if there's a Capitalist equivalent view somewhere or even an Australian view of the last paragraphs.

[LostProperty]

I wonder if there's a Capitalist equivalent view somewhere or even an Australian view of the last paragraphs.

It's a pity the Murdoch press pays scant attention to PNG affairs as it would be able to conjure a capitalist right viewpoint just as extreme as the socialist left WSWS.org.

I doubt that our Foreign Minister had much choice but to to accept O'Neill's new government. Australia is in the unfortunate bind of being unable to limit PNG aid or to stir the political pot too much for fear of inviting China into even more aspects of PNG's economy.

[packapoo]

[QUOTE=LostProperty;9873130]It's a pity the Murdoch press pays scant attention to PNG affairs as it would be able to conjure a capitalist right viewpoint just as extreme as the socialist left WSWS.org.

Why did I have it firmly fixed in my mind that the newspaper that styles itself 'The heartbeat of PNG' was a Murdoch rag :confused:

[NCD]

With the min wage (read majority of the population) on PGK3.50 ($AUD1.35) per hour, I don't think many would spend up buying newspapers, Murdoch's or otherwise.

[LostProperty]

With the min wage (read majority of the population) on PGK3.50 ($AUD1.35) per hour, I don't think many would spend up buying newspapers, Murdoch's or otherwise.

When I wrote the original comment I had in mind Murdoch papers outside PNG not the Post Courier to which I have somehow managed to retain an online sub free of charge long after the expiry of the initial trial.

[packapoo]

Getting off point, apologies. Your subscription continuing is simply covered by the insignificant fact that by imposing subscription, uptake drops off.
I've had the same, here and with other Murdoch newspapers.

[Mumbai taxi]

Is it possible to obtain employment with minimal experience as a Co-pilot or First officer with: Indian CPL, New Zealand PPL, I have an Indian IFR which requires renewal and I have 1322 hours, which can all be verified and cross checked?

[balusnomore]

Mumbai,

Few years ago you wouldn’t have stood a chance in hell of getting a job with those hours, but with majority of people giving PX a miss these days you are probably one of the more experienced applicants.

So if you are happy to live in a real third world country where wandering outside the compound will likely get you get robbed or worse by Raskals, flying in aircraft that have long time ago passed their use by dates in a country with aviation infrastructure having just about all failed, for some of the worst money and conditions in the Pacific, with the added advantage of working for a Management team that would prefer you don’t exist, ..and pretend you don’t, you are the ideal candidate that PX are seeking.

But I have only mentioned the good things about PX, there maybe some others still there that might tell you some of the negatives about the job.

So if you take a job there….GOOD LUCK, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT!!!!!!

[gulliBell]

Mumbai,

Few years ago you wouldn’t have stood a chance in hell of getting a job with those hours, but with majority of people giving PX a miss these days you are probably one of the more experienced applicants.....etc etc



In addition to all that, there is one upside to all the doom and gloom mentioned. The medical for your PNG licence is pretty easy.

[faheel]

gulliBell,

I concur re the medical renewals.

One of the last ones I did was a complete joke.

I turned up for an appointment at 3 pm, no doc around, was told he was teaching at the hospital and would arrive shortly.In the meantime they could not weigh me because the scales were buggered,could not ecg me cos the machine was buggered but the nurse could fill out the paperwork whilst I waited.

About 45 mins later my medical certificate is handed to me, I say hang about I have not seen the doc yet ! the nurse replies oh he is in his car outside and we took your paperwork out to him. !!

I check and there is no stamp on it and its valid for 12 months,I am over 60 and tell the nurse it cannot be valid for more than 6 months because of my age, she goes and checks with the turkey who is pretending to be a doctor and he says no its valid for 12 months.!!!

At this point I figure stuff it, as far as I am concerned I will get my usual GP in oz to check me out once a year....if the CAA in PNG cannot be bothered enforcing the rules why should I lose any sleep over it :ugh::ugh::ugh:

[DHC8 Driver]

Had a similar experience in PNG a few years back. The Doctor looked at me, said I looked pretty healthy, took 300 kina and that was that - got my medical. I had a good laugh about it at the time but looking back it just wasn't right!!!

[olderairhead]

Mumbai taxi
1 post
Wind up?
Yep!

[troppo]

Mumbai,

Few years ago you wouldn’t have stood a chance in hell of getting a job with those hours, but with majority of people giving PX a miss these days you are probably one of the more experienced applicants.

So if you are happy to live in a real third world country where wandering outside the compound will likely get you get robbed or worse by Raskals, flying in aircraft that have long time ago passed their use by dates in a country with aviation infrastructure having just about all failed, for some of the worst money and conditions in the Pacific, with the added advantage of working for a Management team that would prefer you don’t exist, ..and pretend you don’t, you are the ideal candidate that PX are seeking.

But I have only mentioned the good things about PX, there maybe some others still there that might tell you some of the negatives about the job.

So if you take a job there….GOOD LUCK, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT!!!!!!

Worst money in the Pacific maybe, but he's gonna be a millionaire when he converts it to rupees :}

[balusnomore]

Worst money in the Pacific maybe, but he's gonna be a millionaire when he converts it to rupees ........

Good point, but...converting Kina, like thats is so stable a currency, and then he has to survive when the experience is leaving for any job they can go to. So no experience...No way id get on any aircraft there without experience up the front and that is disaperining so quick

PX hasn't had the problems of the others due to the experience it has employed and the power it gave to the Check Staff. Even 2 yrs ago that was diminished and I hear it is worse now.

Wasn't that long ago the other "1st Level" airline there killed around 30 pax.

Id prefer to take my changes on the highland highway tank u.

Dash Guy....Haha, not only the medical...what about the ATPL and IR conversion!!! wow that was hard so hard!!!!

Never ever worked in a company that went from every one wanting the best job kept secret to how the f.... can I get out of here within a short time. And that is not just tech crew, but ginger beers, Cabin, ground staff and all. I hear the last year is worse.

Flag carrier joke...Try Fiji Air if you want to live in the pacific, at least they have modernish aircraft ...and lots of pax.

[Mumbai taxi]

older air head,


I don't know what you mean but I have secured a position, and I'm very happy. I know I have to start somewhere, but PAC750 will be good to start with.

[olderairhead]

Poxie don't operate PAC750's. Maybe you posted on the wrong thread?

What windup? :}

[Propstop]

Next thing Mumbai Taxi is to keep yourself alive. Lots of short strips, dead end valleys and cumulonimbus granitus.

[olderairhead]

I am getting conflicting reports about the Tabubil contract.

One source tells me that National Jet did not want to renew it and another reports that the pollies had it given to Poxie.

Either way Poxie now has the contract and are using National Jet to operate the contract using Poxies AOC. National Jet crew are conducting the flights with PX Captains sitting in the jump seat as safety pilots.

Reports are this will continue until all National Jet crew conduct a SIM check in MEL.

All sounds above board to me.........not!

As for the appeal, all has gone a bit quiet. It has been suggested to me there may be some political interference going on in the background but very difficult to prove.

[-41]

I am getting conflicting reports about the Tabubil contract.

One source tells me that National Jet did not want to renew it and another reports that the pollies had it given to Poxie.

Either way Poxie now has the contract and are using National Jet to operate the contract using Poxies AOC.
At cobham they do an anti-bribery and anti-corruption online course.☺

[mauswara]

-41,If Cobham (National Jet) are "working" with PX, then that "Anti Bribery and Anti Corruption on-line Course" should be put to good, practical use!!

[olderairhead]

I had posted an ode to Sammy which was deleted but now have approval to post it via a link, so if you want a bit of a chuckle it is here, http://jmp.sh/7GMp2kT, and yes Anon you are still Anon.

[tripelapidgeon]

Ode to toofar and co what a brilliant piece of eloquent poetry.Too close to the truth the reason for removing it from this forum?

[olderairhead]

No, it was a case of mistaken identity re Sam and MBA.

[olderairhead]

And FYI it has now been viewed 193 times.

And still no updates on the appeal.

[tripelapidgeon]

Descending more and more into political interference, corruption and more than total ineptitude.

[olderairhead]

More trouble for the pilots.

I am receiving reports that Poxie have not paid any money to AON (the expats salary sacrifice "super" fund) since May.

Running short of cash?

[NCD]

Super is not paid to expats so the guys make use of the salary sacrifice rules to get a least a little relief from the high PNG rates.

As most guys there salary sacrifice 15% of salary PX has held back a sizable chunk of money out of the guys salaries.

There is just no holding that company (OR Country) to accountability... :(

[olderairhead]

It is also interesting to note that there has been no funds deposited into the Nationals superannuation fund since May.

The Superannuation (General Provisions) Act 2000 (https://www.lexadin.nl/wlg/legis/nofr/oeur/arch/png/super_gen_provisions_act_2000.pdf) , sections 78 & 79 make interesting reading.

78. DUTY TO REMIT CONTRIBUTIONS PROMPTLY.

(1) An employer shall remit its employer contributions to the ASF within 14 days of the end of each calendar month.

(2) Where an employer deducts employee contributions from pay, the employer shall remit those contributions to the ASF within 14 days of the date of deduction.

(3) An entity,who fails to comply with this section, is guilty of an offence.

79. POWER TO RECOVER INTEREST ON DEFAULT.

Where an employer defaults in making any contributions required under this Part, the licensed trustee of the relevant ASF may, by written notice, require the employer to make payment of the outstanding contributions together with penal interest at the prescribed rate set out in the regulations from the date on which payment was due until the date of actual payment.


So Poxie is above the law??

[balusnomore]

Bet if they had not paid the fuel bill in almost 4 months there would be hell to pay....like cut off. Shouldnt be any difference in paying the salary bill.

The outright arrogance of not paying those guys is just outstanding.

[packapoo]

Not paying in that neck of the woods is just a way of life. Isn't it?

[Chocks Away]

Do the investors know (https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/59502-papua-new-guinea-may-revive-air-niugini-privatization-plans) of the industrial turmoil... :rolleyes::hmm:

[balusnomore]

packapoo....

When I was there ANG ALWAYS paid salary on time, on the dot, (Yeah, allowances took time but that was due to quaint 1970's colonialism practices that the office staff operated under) ...and all was paid in Australian Dollars, not Kina - USD would have been better though.

That all changed in 2015, which is the reason almost 80 expats left.

All ANG pilots are now paid in Kina - stable currency that one, not!!!!!.

Interstingly that the other Airline in PNG has massive debts..... I always thought it was fiscally run better than ANG.

But who would ever know, ANG never seems to publishes financials.

[tripelapidgeon]

It is obvious they are above the law, simply flaunt it or have it manipulated and twisted by the one and only shareholder the Independent State of Papua New Guinea.The current industrial court case is a fine example.

[packapoo]

I think you've nailed it TBL....

And getting spived by the country was a way of life all through my time up there so only positive is things are at least constant :E

[olderairhead]

It has also been bought to my attention that apart from not paying into AON the pilots are being further disadvantaged financially by the dropping in the exchange rate between the PNGK and the AUS$

It currently stands at 0.388

And Poxie in it's wisdom varied clause 42 of the 2015 contract without consultation and introduced this (my bold):

(AIR means Average Indicative Rate as at 30th June of the current i.e.
calculated from 1st July of the previous year to 30th June of current year.)

Clause 42 of this Contract is hereby invoked to insert to sub-clause
in Appendix B item 6 of the same Contract to read as follow:

6. Annual reviews will be conducted each year determining the AIR for
the prevailing year. Changes in remuneration will only apply should the
AIR move between 0.4000 and 0.3800. Where changes are applicable
they will be effected on the 1st July every year for the duration of the
contract. This is in line with Company Policy for Employment Contracts
that are based on Australian Dollar

So effectively as the Kina declines nothing will be done until July 2018

So if the spiral continues to say 0.30 they will be working for next to nothing!

[balusnomore]

.....and can't help but piss myself when folk are shocked when they get spived by the company and the country...

TBL Warrior, good to see you can get enjoyment out of reading about misfortunes of those working at PX.

It is not about complaining (no point in that..I'm no longer there), it is about letting others who might see PX as being an option for employment what they will be in for if they take the step.

And as stated...PX was not always like it is now...the years under the preceeding CEO were very good, the guys were happy and resignations were minimal.

Anyway, enjoy the read....just you dont "piss" yourself literaly, its not a good look.

[Loud Handle]

So if the spiral continues to say 0.30 they will be working for next to nothing!

Unfortunately, many of them already are.

[tripelapidgeon]

.....and can't help but piss myself when folk are shocked when they get spived by the company and the country...

TBL Warrior, good to see you can get enjoyment out of reading about misfortunes of those working at PX.

It is not about complaining (no point in that..I'm no longer there), it is about letting others who might see PX as being an option for employment what they will be in for if they take the step.

And as stated...PX was not always like it is now...the years under the preceeding CEO were very good, the guys were happy and resignations were minimal.

Anyway, enjoy the read....just you dont "piss" yourself literaly, its not a good look.

Yes agreed my post was not about a whinge but to point out to all and sundry the realities of working in a third world corrupt country and to clearly indicate to those who are still there to let go of the false hopes that things will return to the good old days and get the hell out of dodge if you can.

[olderairhead]

Receiving reports that AON still have not received any payments even after emails to Poxie highlighting the non payment.

Info is that the PNGAPA will be raising the issue with the regulator if a reply is not received from Poxie within the next couple of days.

Will the regulator investigate? Time will tell but it is PNG.

[RetiredTooEarly]

On a brighter note and in recognition of a life time of achievement. Captain Lekwa Gure retires after 40 years of safe aviating. Credit where it is due chaps.

I had the pleasure of training Lekwa on the A310-300 and a more dedicated, professional and mature pilot you would go a long way to find better!

I had(have) some concerns about the rapid nationalisation of the expatriate pilot body as of 2017 but if many of them have the skills and airmanship of Lekwa I would fly with them anywhere!

He is now into politics and hopefully he will be able to contribute to his country as he did for PX!

Well done Lekwa, always proud of you!

Ian FISCHER

[olderairhead]

Someone must have had a big win at the Casino this weekend as all AON payments have just been made.

[olderairhead]

This news may come as a surprise to currently employed pilots at poxie.

A close source has advised me that there is a ground school being run for the 767 with externally employed pilots. The course is 2 weeks in and is being kept very hush hush from the pilot group.

No upgrades from the current pilot group.

And back on the ongoing financial dilemma reports are being received that a 767 receiving maintenance in China will not be released because of an unpaid bill reportedly around $5,000,000.

[mauswara]

Well,we now know where the "missing" AON Super $$money was going!!! Question is now,where to steal a LAZY $5 Million, to "buy back" the 76?? (Simon might have to hand back his "Proficiency Bonus" for screwing the pilots.)

[tripelapidgeon]

Well,we now know where the "missing" AON Super $$money was going!!! Question is now,where to steal a LAZY $5 Million, to "buy back" the 76?? (Simon might have to hand back his "Proficiency Bonus" for screwing the pilots.)
Info not good. Unless the bill was paid at short notice. The aircraft in question has left heavy maintenance facility in China and should be back in POM as this is posted.

[olderairhead]

Info is good.

And with regards the 767 training I have had it confirmed that 2 of the 3 F/O's on the course have no jet experience, one from Tonga and one from Oz.

Also being told that Toofar is referring to the F100 Checkies as "road blocks" because they are failing pilot's who cannot make the grade. He has told those road blockers that they cannot fail candidates and they will get as much line training as is required to get them to standard. They WILL pass!

[tripelapidgeon]

Hi ain't called toofar for nothing. Don't worry I am sure the management will have a big prayer session around the board table on ANH 4 or Rei's inner sanctum on ANH 3 and guarantee all that sail on the good ship PX will be safe for ever and a day . Perhaps they could also be granted their most sacred of wishes to get rid of those pesky racist expats.

[olderairhead]

It has been a while since I received any solid information but finally it is at hand.

In summary:

• The application to appeal PNGAPA being excluded from the original Ruling was made on 12th September.
• This application was successful.
• The Judge suggested that this appeal be heard in conjunction with Poxies appeal against the original Ruling.
• PNGAPA lawyers are to prepare and present an “Index to review book”. This is now being done with the support and assistance of Poxies laywers.
• This document should be filed before the actual hearing date.
• All parties shall return to court on 16th October 2017 at 9.30am for directions.

There is anticipation that the appeals will be heard sometime in December.

[Mangi Fokker]

Any update of events on the 16th of October?

[olderairhead]

It was a directions hearing and I am awaiting details. Will post as soon as I have them.

I am not one for rumours as I only post validated information but I did have a giggle at the one doing the rounds at the moment and that is that Wassi is returning.

Maybe Simon Says is on the way out?? Damage control??

[Loud Handle]

So tours are being offered for those on the Fokker fleet. Although I’m yet to read the small print (and there will be a fair amount I bet) this new offering from above will be welcomed by many. With new contracts having to be signed......is this management starting to see the light or a “divide and conquer” move? Interesting times. Your views Olderairhead?

[olderairhead]

Tours are being offered under the 2015 contract conditions. Question is when Poxie loses the appeal will those on tour be bound by the 2015 contract or will the tours be removed as all conditions relate to the 2015 contract. I have been provided with a copy of the FSO and will post it when I convert it to Word.

They also advertised for Dash Captains on Seek and you don't necessarily need Command time or time in country. Terms are not disclosed but they would have to be 2015 conditions. These tour options have not been offered to current Dash crew.

https://www.seek.com.au/job/34644125?type=standout&userqueryid=7df2f5d018bf42b9a48006b2fc8bac77-3536884

[olderairhead]

The FSO

SUBJECT: Tours on the Fokker Fleet

Air Niugini is planning to implement Tours on the Fokker Fleet operation only. Tours will be open to citizen and expatriate crew operating on the Fokker Fleet.

Tours will be available in accordance with the following conditions:

• 2 year contract with the terms and conditions as per 2015 Pilot Contract,as applied through the 2017 Variations.
• The Employer at its discretion may offer tours to Pilots as allowed for under Part 122 Subpart E or an FRMS system.
• Clause 2.8 Secondary Employment of the 2015 Pilot Contract and Rule Part 122.53(b) Crew Member Responsibilities apply to Tour Pilots.
• Home base for a Tour Pilot shall be Port Moresby. The pilot may choose to domicile from an Air Niugini destination point. A ticket shall be provided to and from this selected point unless they are rostered to operate in our out from this point. Right to abode is the pilot's responsibility. Any other points chosen outside of the network point are at the pilots own time and cost.
• Air Niugini will offer Type "A" Tours only:
o Max of 28 days availability for Duty, followed by
o At least 21 days free of all duty.
• There will be a planned roster period of 21 On / 21 Off.
• KPI of 700 hours per annum OR ~88 hours per tour of duty can be expected.
• Hourly rate of K375/hour will be paid for flight hours above 88 hours on each tour
• The Annual Bonus rates for full time pilots will apply to Tour pilots
• Exceptions to the 2015 Pilot Contract Amended are as follows:
o Tour Pilots shall not accrue, nor shall they be entitled to take Annual Leave.
o Tour Pilots shall be entitled to seven (7) days Sick Leave per calendar year. Unused sick leave shall accumulate each year, up to a maximum of 14 days in 2 years. This may be cashed in after this period, per the contract terms, as the count shall be started again at the start of the next two years.
o Tour Pilots will be provided with accommodation whilst on tour of duty in Port Moresby on a shared apartment basis. For company overnights outside of Moresby accommodation and allowances will be provided.
o Tour pilots will receive meals whilst on operational duty, and an allowance of K100 per day while off duty during a tour in PNG.
o Whilst on tour the Employer shall be responsible for transportation of Tour Pilots to and from duty.
• No Reserve Days will be rostered for Tour Pilots whilst on a tour of duty.

[Loud Handle]

Well so far it’s looks very good although if it really is to be 88 hours per tour week three will be a bit of an up hill adventure.

[mauswara]

PX Management "Absolutely HATE" Tours!!This development would confirm they are now ,officially, "Absolutely Desperate" to crew (Fokker) flights,it seems.Question is, does application for tours (and acceptance) imply endorsement of the reviled 2015 contract?

[olderairhead]

Poxie may be offering tours but still have not paid outstanding contributions to AON. Last payment was for June.

One member did pressure Poxie for payment and his is up to date but bugger everyone else.

Not legal Poxie.

[Mangi Fokker]

EOI does not mean it will happen. Just a tactic to slow departures.

[tripelapidgeon]

To quote a cliche "Beware of Indians 🐻 bearing gifts"

[splat72]

Agreed Mangi fokker, this is just a delay tactic to keep pilots there for the xmas period, not paying Aon contributions, promises of tours, promotion ect all very desperate tactics.

[balusnomore]

Well if I were there and not being paid my superannuation I would not be working until I got it.

About time to stand up to the stand over tactics, espectially when it is your money they are not paying, what crap employer takes money from your pay and doesnt put it in your bank.

Time to withdraw labour until it is paid.....another words a good reason to go on strike....geez you guys got screwed over on a contract, got screwed on a court case, now they are not paying super...what else are you going to put up with!!!

[olderairhead]

The PM has an aeroplane crewed by PX pilot's, wrong!

The PM now has an aeroplane crewed by one fully employed pilot. The other, the Captain, is now a contract pilot. They have no backup. The backup they had refuses the B scale payment.

A lot more to this story but cannot be revealed at this stage.

Maybe when the PM changes his plans and has no-one to crew the flight can more be revealed.

[olderairhead]

The following communication from the PNGAPA lawyers was made available to me and is self explanatory.

Firstly, good news for all APA members. The good news is that when I last appeared before, His Honour Kassman J, the lawyers for Air Niugini informed me that they will not raise any objection or raise any issue with APA being included in the order at the hearing of the Supreme Court. In other words, our review application to include APA in the appeal will not be challenged.

Secondly, during the last directions hearing, Kassman J consolidated our Supreme Court Review (SCR) No. 87 of 2017 and Supreme Court Appeal (SCA) No. 83 of 2017 be consolidated and the court order and our Review Application be incorporated into the Appeal Book. Following theses orders, Kassman J directed parties to return to court on Monday 23 October 2017 to confirm compliance of the orders which we did and His Honour made further orders that the matter is listed for Chief Justice to allocated a Hearing date on 6th November 2017. On 6 November 2017 I will return to court and confirm the hearing date.

We hope to get the hearing date in the month of December 2017 to complete the matter. I will provide further brief to you after 6th November 2017 and confirm the hearing date.

[olderairhead]

Just received this update.

At the hearing on November 6 a court date was set being December 11.

One day has been set aside.

In the morning the the appeal by Poxie on the original decision will be heard and in the afternoon the "review" of the PNGAPA being excluded from the original decision will be heard.

Of note is that Poxies lawyers will not be contesting the PNGAPA "review" but supporting them as they believe the Judge made an error by excluding them.

It has now been 3 years since the forced introduction of the contract and after the hearing on the 11th a final decision will be handed down which I am led to believe cannot be contested.

Just a matter of waiting now for the final verdict.

[Loud Handle]

......after the hearing on the 11th a final decision will be handed down which I am led to believe cannot be contested.

Just a matter of waiting now for the final verdict.

Thanks for the update Olderairhead and I wish the pilots the best of luck, however unfortunately I bet my left nut you will be giving us updates on this sad state of affairs well into 2018.

[olderairhead]

The predicted exodus of pilots has commenced.

3 nationals and 1 expat have handed in their resignations today. All on the Fokker fleet. Word is this is just the start. More to come very very soon.

4th floor did not see this one coming and will be in for a big surprise very soon.

[tripelapidgeon]

This would be poxie exodus 2. A continuation of the horror movie. Produced by simple Simon , the Italian pretender and a ring in from Pakistan. Directed by the blue lagoon and Too far.

[olderairhead]

Hearing whispers of the number 7. And all Captains too. That will hurt.

A decision before Christmas is also on the cards.

[olderairhead]

If it is so good maybe you should ask the 3 cadets who just completed their command ground school why they quit.

Also tours are not on offer to currently employed pilots, except for the kiwis and a couple of others.

Not employed as a recruitment agent are we saabs?

[troppo]

[QUOTE Not employed as a recruitment agent are we saabs?[/QUOTE]

I doubt that very much. I'd say he's only giving a friendly heads up.

[olderairhead]

I believe tours and commuting are available as options to all pilots on the Link Png contracts ( both Captains and FO’s).

Thats not what I am being told.

[CI300]

Better than Air Nelson -Was that before or after the recent Air Nelson contract upgrade? They now have more money and more days off. And domilce location might be flexible within the next year or two.
This is an atempt to stem the outflow of nz crew, who are picking up the local and foriegn jet jobs. I havent hear of anyone leaving for a turboprop job. There are just too many options at the moment.

[olderairhead]

Rumour from the 4th floor was that the cadets had resigned and reapplied as direct entry Captains with Link so they would get better pay rather than stay with Poxie and be paid cadet wages. hahahahaha good one.

Simon Says called 2 of them in today and wanted to give them 24 hours to reconsider and also offered the promise of better wages and conditions. Trust me I am Simon Says.

But the truth of the matter is that Hong Kong is a destination of choice and one months pay up there is equivalent to a full years pay with Poxie.

Me thinks Simon Says is in for a rude shock especially when another 7 (rumoured at this stage) follow the leaders.

There is only so many times you can kick a dog before it retaliates.

[tripelapidgeon]

Rumour from the 4th floor was that the cadets had resigned and reapplied as direct entry Captains with Link so they would get better pay rather than stay with Poxie and be paid cadet wages. hahahahaha good one.

Simon Says called 2 of them in today and wanted to give them 24 hours to reconsider and also offered the promise of better wages and conditions. Trust me I am Simon Says.

But the truth of the matter is that Hong Kong is a destination of choice and one months pay up there is equivalent to a full years pay with Poxie.

Me thinks Simon Says is in for a rude shock especially when another 7 (rumoured at this stage) follow the leaders.

There is only so many times you can kick a dog before it retaliates.

Oh let the games begin. I only hope that they all have the metal and fortitude to carry it through and depart. Not like many of those who have gone before them and got cold feet at the last moment.Being afraid of not being the bigmen any more. The old bigfish in a ****ty little pond or a small fish in the big wide world pond .

[olderairhead]

Another National cadet has resigned.

[The Big E]

Whale oil beef hooked.
It is simply staggering how the successive Board members and other hierarchy can just sit back and watch about 4 incompetent (can't be called management) flunkies systematically, almost personally, destroy the once great world class airline that we knew, and yet not take any action whatsoever against these incompetent individuals who are actively involved in reverse racism, amongst other activities.
The legal costs alone need questioning, let alone the total lack of managerial integrity shown over recent years. A total cleanout is required to prevent what many have been forecasting and prophesying, and it can't happen soon enough.
The waste of 44 years worth of training, huge loss of experience and skill, and the subsequent erosion of goodwill is damn near incalculable.

[NCD]

As told by Cadets....Cadetship finally finished after 8 - 10 years..so ofto the DH8 for the first command, ground school finished but now told that they will now be "Cadet Captains" and not Line Captains as happened in past, not proper Captains until they get their jet command.

Wow, One way of saving money, but ay Simon the financial problem is bigger than saving pennies.

Considering the Grand Chiefs Independents day speeches, the Chief would be ashamed of how Pixie is treating its National Cadets, meant to be the future of PNG.

[olderairhead]

I have been hearing rumours of serious financial problems for PX such as non payment to NAC for the previous 12 months, owing the builders of the new PX hotel many many millions of Kina (38?) as well as Simon Says going begging for 100 million kina and then I received the following:

PNG’s NATIONAL FLAG CARRIER IS STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE
PNG’s National Flag carrier (Air Nuigini) is really struggling to survive in PNG’s Airline Industries at the moment. As a concerned citizen, I am very worried how this company has been managed so far…
While the airline’s financial situation is deteriorating, some executives are spending more time entertaining young junior staff. Who is that Expat Executive of the National Flag Carrier caught many times with his pants down with junior staff at the Air Niugini office car park?? He was also punched by a supplier twice for bullying local suppliers. Is he concerned with the deteriorating financial situation? Appears not.
If he was a ‘bilak sikin’ he would have bitten the dust long ago. In one instance, he wrecked a company car after an all night binge with one of his junior officers. This matter was of course swept under the carpet. He called in security to rescue them, the security appears not to have filed an incident report, or if they did, no action resulted from it. Bilak sikins have been sacked for similar offences. He was seen with yet another junior staff in very compromising situation at PX HQ car park, again no action. Official meetings, mostly unnecessarily long meetings, with young, nubile girls are frequent, and minutes of banter and small talk always preludes any official discussion. Seems he is always on the lookout for potential suitors.
He jets off to Brissy every two weeks or so to see the misis and con her into thinking everything is fine. Meanwhile, PX is in serious financial situation. Creditors are owed tens of millions, and counting, and this executive sees fit to spend his time fulfilling his libido and travelling.
This same executive was collared in his office by an irate creditor who is owed tens of thousands for the new residential building. Happened in front of all his staff. He was rescued by some of his staff.
Most people working at PX HQ are aware of these morons’ deeds, and many ‘executive’ managers also know. When will PX management and the Board get rid of this guy?
The PNGs only airline carrier is financially broke, while their attempt to get a K100million loan from BSP was rejected outright due to poor financial performance for the last couple of years showing signs of going nowhere.
Their fourth and final attempt to hold back the large foreign owned planes on lease to Air Niugini is under continues negotiations for two weeks from now in Singapore with all the Senior Managers still in Singapore now.
Also, the Financial Controller of Air Niugini is working from Australia now due to his work permit has expired.
Air Niugini is another time bomb to create disaster in the history of our airline and the Government need to take some drastic actions to put in capable people who can manage this company.
PNC COALITION GOVERNMENT NEED TO STEP IN NOW OR IT WILL TOO LATE….

By the way resignations are still continuing.

[olderairhead]

A memo has been sent to all pilot's residing at the Gateway that their leases will be terminated on 15th December and that they are to relocate to Poxie Palace.

Their room number is yet to be finalised because they are not fitted out yet. (may have something to do with the unpaid construction bill??)

Of particular importance is that each pilot is to provide:

His own bedding and linen
His own cooking utensils
His own cleaning with his own house Meri
His own washing with his own house Meri

Just waiting to find out what the arrangements are for those domiciled in Oz.

I have also had it confirmed that the episode alluded to in my previous post re the 4th floor shenanigans has been confirmed by the brother of victim. It was the CFO who was the perpetrator.

Finally the Link roadshow held recently held in NZ was a resounding failure. Less than the fingers on one hand attended.

With the recent serious illness of 2 Captains who are now off line Christmas will not be a good time to travel with Poxie.

Oh and the decree that paper must be recycled and printed on both sides to help reduce costs will surely save them a lot of money and save the airline from bankruptcy.

[Loud Handle]

One wonders how much paper, ink, photo copying machines could be bought.....haus meris could be hired and other benefits provided to the pilots if through sensible negotiations and thoughtful terms and conditions PX wasn’t continually having to pay thousands of dollars in training costs to replace pilots that are continually leaving. Talk about an ever tightening death spiral. It’s not quantum physics Sam.

[tripelapidgeon]

One wonders how much paper, ink, photo copying machines could be bought.....haus meris could be hired and other benefits provided to the pilots if through sensible negotiations and thoughtful terms and conditions PX wasn’t continually having to pay thousands of dollars in training costs to replace pilots that are continually leaving. Talk about an ever tightening death spiral. It’s not quantum physics Sam.
Don't forget Toofar has a hard studied for MBA gained in three days from a highly regarded tertiary institution in another Western Pacific country. He must know best.

[faheel]

Don't forget Toofar has a hard studied for MBA gained in three days from a highly regarded tertiary institution in another Western Pacific country. He must know best.

MBA ?

Master Bull**** Artist ?

[olderairhead]

As reported previously 4 cadets have resigned whilst completing their command ground school.

What has not been fully reported is why they resigned.

Until now a cadet was deemed to have completed their cadetship after 10 years or first command.

Rules have somehow changed. These guys were told they would still be considered as cadets until they they received a command on the jet fleet.

So a new unpublished C scale was going to be applied to them on the Dash fleet as command cadets.

They met with Simon Says and rejected his bait that their conditions would be reconsidered. Read a leopard never changes his spots and elected to leave.

In the mean time PNG Air are making it known they will take on anyone from Poxie regardless of the threats of political interference.

Interesting times to say the least, especially with the upcoming hearing and decision.

[balusnomore]

Economic salvation off the back of the cadets, bet that really helps the bottom line. up there with recycling paper.

Instead of paying the pittance to the cadets (a new national pilots wage) they should look at a redistribute the salaries of the 767 Captains and see economic sense of flying Captains with First Officers instead of mostly Captains. An advantage of the "Big Men" I suppose, not bad considering many of them were cadets in the past.

[olderairhead]

Cost cutting at it's best.............provide your own A4 paper

http://jmp.sh/IG5WYlZ

(Now viewed 110 times)

[got you sighted]

That’s Gold!

[Pinky the pilot]

Another lifetime ago (In the early 90's to be exact) when I was pushing beat up, high time Bongo vans and ancient (a) model C402's about the PNG skies, flying for Pixie (which was then well run) was viewed by me and others, a treasured and respected job!:ok:

How times have changed!:sad::{

Edited to add; If I have already posted such sentiments; My apologies!

[olderairhead]

It continues. Another resigned today.

[tripelapidgeon]

It continues. Another resigned today.

If it was a white fella Toofar and the Blue Lagoon will be rejoicing.

[olderairhead]

Toofar and Looneygona are rejoicing. :E

[olderairhead]

And another one quit today, a long serving National. Brings the total to 110.

[got you sighted]

Just out of interest, what is the total percentage decrease in pilots since the start of hostilities

[olderairhead]

When the new contract was forced upon the pilot's there were 233 pilots, 110 have left.

There have been new hiree's since then.

[tripelapidgeon]

When the new contract was forced upon the pilot's there were 233 pilots, 110 have left.

There have been new hiree's since then.
What is the total number on the seniority list now?

[splat72]

Nobody has seen a seniority list for a very long time I’m told.

[olderairhead]

Unless I am mistaken the last one published was 31 July 2016

[olderairhead]

Today was D Day. The Court case has been heard. By all reports an amazing day for the pilot's.

I have been asked to postpone any details until the pilot body has been briefed.

I will honour this request and post details tomorrow.

[tripelapidgeon]

Today was D Day. The Court case has been heard. By all reports an amazing day for the pilot's.

I have been asked to postpone any details until the pilot body has been briefed.

I will honour this request and post details tomorrow.
Words and actual actions have two meanings here in PNG.I don't want to be cynical and take away from a well deserved and just victory. However we shall see how these pages unfold in the coming weeks and months.

[olderairhead]

Case was heard yesterday in front of 3 Judges.

First issue was whether the Court would allow the PNGAPA and NAPU be heard together. This was approved.

Second issue was the appeal by Poxie against the initial decision. Amazingly Poxie did not supply the required Appeals book.

The pilot's laywer responded that by law Poxie should have and asked that either the appeal be dismissed or proceed with what the Pilot's had responded with. Judges took the second option.

Reports are that the Judges were very displeased with Poxies lawyer.

The Pilot's lawyer then gave a summary of the case and the original decision.

All in all took 1 hour and a decision is expected in 2 weeks.

[Loud Handle]

Initially I felt very buoyed having read your previous sanguine post Olderairhead. However this latest report puts me firmly in Tripela’s camp. Still a fair way to go, the fat ladies haven’t even started warming up yet.

[olderairhead]

Have faith! :ok:

What I can also report is that a recruitment drive is under way to replace Simon Says.

Big fella has spoken. :E

[Duck Pilot]

Where can I apply?

Big pay rises, more holidays and tours all round if I got in the thrown.

And some new aircraft!!!!

[Loud Handle]

Have faith! :ok:

What I can also report is that a recruitment drive is under way to replace Simon Says.

Big fella has spoken. :E

Quite right, I should have more faith.
Especially after hearing Wantok(s) are discussing coming from the East to drain the swamp Sammy and Simon! :}

[olderairhead]

Throne Ducky ;)

Where can I apply?

Big pay rises, more holidays and tours all round if I got in the thrown.

And some new aircraft!!!!

[olderairhead]

And he has spoken loudly

The return of the previous CEO is imminent I hear. February maybe.

Quite right, I should have more faith.
Especially after hearing Wantok(s) are discussing coming from the East to drain the swamp Sammy and Simon! :}

[Lost in Places]

Decision in 2 weeks Eh? Oh that would be Xmas day then. Think again lads, I would suggest next year so keep working and wait. If you are one of the Pilots waiting for 9th Jan start date with another Airline well......... You ain't going to get your answer before then.

[SIUYA]

...the Elephant Washer.

:} That is GOLD olderairhead.

I sincerely hope that you are right about that though. A VERY good guy who should never have been allowed to leave in the first place. But if it's true and he's returning, then there is hope for PX yet.

[chimbu warrior]

Maybe they can bring back the SP elephant........

So you think there were never elephants in Mt Hagen? - Keith Jackson & Friends: PNG ATTITUDE (http://asopa.typepad.com/asopa_people/2017/12/so-you-think-there-were-never-elephants-in-mt-hagen.html)

[Mangi Fokker]

You would know Duck Pilot. Still working to pay for yours I believe.

[Mangi Fokker]

Lost in Places, bit like being chuteless really, isn't it?

[NCD]

Strong Rumours doing the rounds of the PM trying to get a new Management team, CEO and below in next year.

Gotta be a serious hard rebuilt, will definitely require heaps of dollars...not sure if the Govt Coffers would have anything left.

Suppose the PM doesn't want to be remembered as the one in charge when Pixie went down the Tube.

AUS AID / WORLD BANK....come on down.

[troppo]

He should take a leaf out of the Honorable Prime Minister of Fiji's book and fk them off. Deal with the fall out for a couple of days and then move on.
There are plenty of donors out there who will finance PX when the government shows commitment to change and reform.

[NCD]

...."when the government shows commitment to change and reform".


Dragged kicking and screaming to the table I'd say...taken so many Million Kina "DIVIDEND" that Simon smilingly hands over in the way of that "Bigpla Cardboard Millions of Dollars Cheque",..so much that Pixie has proably nought left in the cupboard...but guess no different to the Govt.

I wont be donating for sure...as even the Almighty woldnt be able to follow the money trail.

[olderairhead]

Seems like the original info I was given about the replacement CEO was misleading.

Multiple sources are now telling me that the prodigal son will be returning from the land of the sand along with a new team to back him up but with no budget increase for the next 2 years cos the gunment does not have the money.

Story is he was personally farewelled by the big chief at the airport when the deal was done.

Maybe the saviour for Poxie cos he is a top bloke. (This should appeal to you my pm'er ;))

[troppo]

So the Board and Officers of the company are turning a blind eye to their liability if PX trades whilst insolvent and/or folds?
Then what happens?
Don't get me wrong, I think it is appalling the contempt shown for the pilot group. I'm posing the question 'what happens if....?'
Industrial relations win but at what cost to the PNG economy?

[Loud Handle]

Ah you see Olderairhead, Wantoks from the East.......it was there in black and white for you. 😀

Quite right, I should have more faith.
Especially after hearing Wantok(s) are discussing coming from the East to drain the swamp Sammy and Simon!

[tripelapidgeon]

Obviously nothing till the New Year?

[geeup]

It is the new year.
When does court reopen?

[olderairhead]

I am hearing it may be as late as February.

Time also for a bit of an update on a day in the life of living in paradise.

Told tonight another 4 cadets who have just completed their cadetship handed in their resignations. Off to the opposition.

And for those that have not heard the National Weather Service employees have been on strike since the 5th of January. The only legal forecast available is for Pom supplied by ASA.

In their wisdom CASA PNG have agreed with Poxie that control towers can provide weather reports and therefore enable flights to depart. 3rd world operation.

Bit Poxie in the @rse last night. Narita flight was a 738 instead of a more efficient and lighter 700. With Pom requiring an alternate due fog CS was planned. Only problem was they could only carry 20 of the 100 pax. As usual the guru's could not find a solution. Result was send them all with another airline but Poxie could not depart because they missed the curfew so they flew back empty this morning.

And as for faulty towers the tour pilots have had to move in but the problem is there is not much furniture etc. Turns out it is BYO black plastic sheets to use as curtains and scavenge the construction site to find spare plastic chairs to sit on. Apparently the floor is uncomfortable. Bloody ungrateful pilots!

[olderairhead]

From the horses mouth. Don't shoot the messenger. :)

[olderairhead]

Just received this little gem.

2 floors of Fawlty towers now have staff living inhouse even tho the builders said do not put anyone in before the end of January, it is not ready. Of course Poxie knows better.

So in go the staff and find the white goods are faulty, especially the microwaves. Turns out they have been in containers sitting on the wharf for over 12 months and fried the circuit boards. So back to the manufacturers and claim warranty repairs. Told sorry guys but warranty has expired while containers sat on the wharf. Bugger!

It has also been discovered that when you use the washing machines your floor may flood. Seems they forgot to connect the drain pipes to some machines. Bugger!

But who cares, they have heaps of money.

[tripelapidgeon]

Hahahaha
😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[Kiwiconehead]

Just received this little gem.

2 floors of Fawlty towers now have staff living inhouse even tho the builders said do not put anyone in before the end of January, it is not ready. Of course Poxie knows better.

So who is living there?

Is it just the Techies or are they planning on moving everyone in?

What does that mean for the hill and other accommodation areas?

Other than that it sounds like a normal PX endeavour.

I have to say us touring engineers were lucky when we got turfed out of the Gateway in 2010 that we ended up in the new townhouses in East Boroko (owned by a mate of Wasie's), was a pretty good setup.

[NCD]

Some Expat middle management types and a couple of tour pilots living there atm. Not sure about furnishing for MNGT ones, but seems tour pilots have been scrounging what they can, resourceful types that they are :)....hearing black plastic curtain stuck to windows, that kinda things.

Building looks finished, but not much evidence of any furnishing etc. To PX credit it is a nice looking building, lovely gardens and nice pool, restaurant area and Pool Bar.

Rumour is that Disrupts will be housed there as well, prob the reason for the restaurant and Bar...but with no information being released to the crew, no-one knows.

Certainly better looking than the current crew * hole. All are supposing that it will be run by Coral Seas but the PX Pilot group have been left in the dark over the whole thing...prob Management don't know.

Think the Hill will remain for POM resident Crew, FA's etc etc etc.

[olderairhead]

It will be run by Coral Seas.

Currently has a mixture of pilots, as in Pom based from the 2 hotels and management from engineering etc.

All other crew, as in pilots, who are domiciled out of country will be moving in at the end of January..... if it is furnished.

At least the Arctic air-conditioners work very, very well.

As do the standby generators..... while they still have fuel in them. Once word gets out I am sure the rascals will have a field day!

[geeup]

Thread has drifted from LINKPNG.
It’s now more about the wonders of PX

Why are people moving in if the White Elephant isn’t complete?

Is the Crew going to be blamed re 738?

[packapoo]

[QUOTE=olderairhead;10018514]It will be run by Coral Seas.

Mr Swire still got his sticky fingers in there....?

[Mangi Fokker]

"Is the Crew going to be blamed re 738?"

Geeup, please elaborate?

[geeup]

Mangi Fokker refer previous posts by olderairhead & TBL warrior.

[DHC8 Driver]

"Is the Crew going to be blamed re 738?"

Geeup, please elaborate?

There will be no blame for that. Just another TANGFU. I could tell you a dozen stories about those kind of incidents in ANG. It really is ops normal these days. If the place wasn’t funded by the government (aka the Australian tax payer) it would have closed down years ago.

[splat72]

I was sent this little Gem a couple of days back.

https://youtu.be/aaQkE7U8vu0

[olderairhead]

I was sent this little Gem a couple of days back.

https://youtu.be/aaQkE7U8vu0

902 posts summarised in one you tube. Brilliant!

[olderairhead]

22 Fokker sectors un-crewed today. Ops normal.

[gulliBell]

22 Fokker sectors un-crewed today. Ops normal.

Think of the savings on the fuel bill.....

[tripelapidgeon]

As Mr. Grace would say. "You've all done very well" Congrats Too Far , Simple Simon and the HR Manager of the year Mr Rei L. A job well done.

[gulliBell]

As Mr. Grace would say. "You've all done very well"...

He's been quiet recently...been 6' under for many years...

[tripelapidgeon]

He's been quite recently...been 6' under for many years...

Just like PX should be.

[olderairhead]

While we wait for the Court decision thought I might pass on some of the latest from the land of wonder.

Another Fokker Captain resigned yesterday.

Been told latest recruitment drive is from Tonga, can't get drivers from any where else.

Between the 15th and 20th of January only 63 flights were cancelled due to no crew available.

The Cairns flight is now being done by the 737 fleet because there is no Fokker crew to cover the flights even tho there is barely enough pax to even warrant a Fokker let alone a 737.

Board is being told there is no crewing problem.

In the meantime Airlines of PNG are actively recruiting from Poxie thanks to the efforts of a recently employed ex Poxie Fokker Capt.

Oh and did I mention the disgruntled Fokker guys who are not being offered tours yet others are because their work permits are about to expire and they are required to sign the 2017 contract? Sign and you get tours, don't sign and you are terminated. So they are signing with a lawyer written rider which Poxie is accepting..... but those not being offered tours are very angry against those who have signed which is resulting in a very uncomfortable working environment. Catch 22!

That should be enough for tonight!

[olderairhead]

75? Really! And they make a sh!thole sound like paradise. 🤣

Must be finding it hard to recruit, wonder why?

https://www.seek.com.au/job/35302196?type=standout&userqueryid=7e1d3c01e231a4d788a0e1badbe912e3-7934814

[tripelapidgeon]

https://youtu.be/fDEsTG6cbeE

[olderairhead]

Informed that 3 Captains are on the move plus 2 F/O's. An Ozzie operator will be getting some very good operators.

[Mangi Fokker]

Funny, I heard 4 Capts.

[olderairhead]

Funny, I heard 4 Capts.

I have been told that another one was not successful and is making noises of maybe leaving but nothing confirmed.

[olderairhead]

The DEC’s coming from PNG Air will cover it shaggs, maski wori.

All Fokker Captains going, not Dash. They only have 18, no 17 or is it 16 left. Can't keep up with the departures!

By all reports fatigue levels are at a record high.

[Loud Handle]

Olderairhead dear boy, I think what Tabubil Warrior is trying to convey is that Poxie is so desperate, so desperate that they will employ PNG Air Dash commanders as DECs on the Fokker fleet.

Combined with your point that we appear to now have a new cut off age of 75, this rumour of Dash captains being offered Fokker commands with no jet experience whatsoever leads me to believe that PX management are actually going out and buying the Emmental themselves.......long long manmeri!

[DHC8 Driver]

Olderairhead dear boy, I think what Tabubil Warrior is trying to convey is that Poxie is so desperate, so desperate that they will employ PNG Air Dash commanders as DECs on the Fokker fleet.

Combined with your point that we appear to now have a new cut off age of 75, this rumour of Dash captains being offered Fokker commands with no jet experience whatsoever leads me to believe that PX management are actually going out and buying the Emmental themselves.......long long manmeri!

I like your post Loud Handle. For those who don’t know Emmental is a kind of Swiss Cheese. Hahahahaha

[olderairhead]

Poxie have just announced that from 7th April to 25th April they are cancelling the Tuesday afternoon flight, all flights Wednesday and the Thursday morning flights POM - CNS - POM due to Low Season demand!!

Is it just a coincidence that it coincides with the B767 C check?

B767 unavailable, B737 picks up the B767 work, F100 picks up B737 work......ooops, got plenty of F100 airframes but nopela F100 Pilots..,,,so just cancel POM CNS POM....and hope nobody works out the real reason. :\

Going to help guys wanting to go home for days off...not!

TANGFU
.

[Petropavlovsk]

OK, so in the past they bring in a B767 from EURO ATLANTIC, why not this time, ?

[DHC8 Driver]

OK, so in the past they bring in a B767 from EURO ATLANTIC, why not this time, ?

Simple - no money!

[NCD]

"Simple - no money!"

Well, there you go...every cloud does have a silver lining!!

[DHC8 Driver]

"Simple - no money!"

Well, there you go...every cloud does have a silver lining!!

True, for the crew working in PNG. Not so for the punters.

[olderairhead]

Money is getting very very tight at Poxie as we all know but if this is true then alarm bells must be ringing somewhere.

After screwing the pilots, engineers and cabin crew they have now reportedly decided to start charging ground staff (the lowest paid workers) K1 each way for the morning and afternoon staff bus service that has always been provided free. When you are getting paid as little as K2 per hour this one really hurts.

Well done Poxie. :mad:

[Pinky the pilot]

they have now reportedly decided to start charging ground staff (the lowest paid workers) K1 each way for the morning and afternoon staff bus service that has always been provided free. When you are getting paid as little as K2 per hour this one really hurts.

If so, I fear that the end cannot be far off.:sad:

[balusnomore]

Prob some Manager doing his best to meet his KPI target and get a final bonus before the gravy train runs off the rails.

[DHC8 Driver]

They did consider charging pilots for the crew bus around the time of the 2015 contract debacle but shelved the idea. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it resurfaced.

[packapoo]

If they read here it certainly will....;)

[splat72]

I don’t think there will be many pilots left to charge.

[ARPs]

Will be walking distance from PX Palace to the Terminal ... just a mugging or two chucked in each year for free

[Petropavlovsk]

I think the money problems are over.
Today the PM's pic is on the front page of 'The national' and he informing the country he has K1.9 billion from the Asian Development Bank and on the front page of the 'Post Courier' three desperado's have run off with $US220 million for a bogus phone service....
Must be plenty of money about ?? ;)

[gulliBell]

Sad to read all of this. Years ago when I used to frequent the PX kerosene canary I thought the in-flight food and service was quite good. Sure, flights often departed late or not at all, and I sometimes had to overnight at Airways or elsewhere on the PX account. All part of the rough-and-tumble of the PNG experience. But to stiff their ground staff 1K to catch the company bus just sucks big time. Makes me wonder, if they are so desperate to generate such a pittance of revenue in this way, how do they cope with big ticket items like maintenance and spare parts etc?

[NCD]

"....how do they cope with big ticket items like maintenance and spare parts etc?"

Been a few Fokkers stuck out at outports due to maintenance issues that have required rescues lately. Some relating to issues previously reported. Prob gives and indication of how they are coping with the big ticket items.

[olderairhead]

Received info that the last pay cycle was processed at 0.3687 cents and is not in line with the amended 2015 contract which was to provide protection against the rapidly declining Kina.

That 0.3687 cents is a 5% reduction since December.

More pain for the pilot's!

[NCD]

Old Guy,

as was explained to me by the Association, the Contract says PX only needs to effect any change on the 1st of July every year. Think that means that if it was adjusted on that one date, and then continued to fall, to for e.g. say .30 cents the conversion stays there until the following 1st of July.

And now we see PX madly trying to recruit Fokker crew with a already dismal salary of,


Fokker Cap: PGK 372,237
Fokker FO : PGK 258,437

which is then converted to Aussie at whatever the exchange rate is on the day (.3687 as mentioned as the last exchange). And that exchange rate has been dropping almost daily since December (and for a Country that is borrowing Billions what would you expect to happen to its currency?)

But wait there is more.... NO superannuation is paid by PX, and PNG tax is horrendously, higher than AUS.

I'd have say you could get as good if not better package flying a Turbo Prop in Aus and have the added bonus of not having to go to PNG.

Used to be a place for Missionaries, Misfits and Mercenaries, but reckon Mercenaries have be forced out of the game due to such ****e money.

[mauswara]

NCD, the mercenaries have long departed PX, the misho’s & misfits are getting ready to go I suspect.

[tripelapidgeon]

NCD, the mercenaries have long departed PX, the misho’s & misfits are getting ready to go I suspect.

Agreed MW can't be a mercenary on the chicken feed being paid now.

[balusnomore]

Hearing that another Fokker Captain simply walked yesterday without notice.

Anything to do with a "Leave Audit" or just treating disdain with same disdain?

[olderairhead]

The one who resigned yesterday is one of the 3 that I referred to in post 913. Another of those 3 mentioned in that post resigned because of the leave issue.

Takes the total to 122 since the ECP was initiated.

[balusnomore]

122 resignations since 2015, they only had about 220 odd at the peak didn't they?

Maybe the Managers should look at raising the recruitment age to 95 instead of just 75....haha!!

[lucille]

Is anyone left in PX who were there from the early thru late 90's? For their sake's, I hope they managed to move on to better places.

From these pages, it sounds really dire there now.

[tripelapidgeon]

Is anyone left in PX who were there from the early thru late 90's? For their sake's, I hope they managed to move on to better places.

From these pages, it sounds really dire there now.
There are a couple of senior citizens from that era who moved on and are now back or on their way back . We are talking the plus 60 and plus 65 brigrade.

[Kiwiconehead]

Speedy is still there in Engineering, little bit slower these days.

[geeup]

70 & 75 year olds also in the mix..
8 domestic sectors a day with continuous early starts will be a worry.
ANG retirement village 😴

[Propstop]

Speedy is still there in Engineering, little bit slower these days.
He has been there forever! He started 40 years ago at least as I left 35 years ago having spent 5 years with pixie.

[fdr]

70 & 75 year olds also in the mix..
8 domestic sectors a day with continuous early starts will be a worry.
ANG retirement village 😴

"Age shall not weary them..."

About 4 times a year, I go fly some fun planes for training recurrency, PT22, PT17, Pitts S2... the youngest IP I have is 78, the oldest is 82, and they still teach me stuff every flight. I still fly military and civil jets as well, and so I cannot say anything against age at all. Flying is in the mind, and I have flown with youngsters that should have been on pushbikes not planes. I have flown tactical stuff recently with guys approaching big age numbers and they can be hard of hearing and somewhat cranky on occasions, but they can still do a damn good job. Where I have been, some of the F22 and 35 instructors were young about the time that VN was not a headline in Lonely Planet. Age shall not weary them, atrophy comes from not using your mind or body.

Getting into an ejector seat is less comfortable as you get older, a reminder of what you have got out of your body.

[Duck Pilot]

No disrespect, however these highly experienced elderly Captains are flying big RPT aeroplanes in the toughest environment in the world with very minimal support.

Are they still going into Chimbu?

[NCD]

Duck,

PX doesn't operate into Chimbu these days.

Not privy or even care about the reasons, but all the LINK crew are grateful not to to have to go. From the air the surface looks ok.....but remains horribly short...and high!!!!!!!

It is left up to Waps to provide the Highlands excitement experience these days.

[Mangi Fokker]

"hard of hearing and somewhat cranky on occasions,"

They'll fit in perfectly.

[olderairhead]

I see that Alliance have posted an ad in the Post Courier today (page 58) for expressions of interest for Fokker 100/70 type rated Captains and F/O's.

The boys will be busy tonight!

[balusnomore]

Olderairhead,

You referring to PNG's Post Courier listing the jobs???"

Any 457 Visas being offered???

Right to work in Aussie would leave PX with a shed load of Fokkers with absolutly no one to fly em!!!!

But Be Sad times for those that hung out at pixie,hoping the court case would fix the problems... They should ave left when the proverbial hit the fan at the end of 2014..

[krismiler]

Looks like a Pilots market as far as the Fokker is concerned at the moment. Rated and experienced drivers should start demanding decent terms and conditions. It’s an older type and not in mainstream use anymore so unlike the A320/B737 there aren’t many 200hr wonders coming along with the type on their license.

No one is going to self fund a rating on something like this and those who flew it in the past have probably moved on to bigger and better things by now. Experienced and current Pilots should be able to command a premium based on supply and demand.

[tripelapidgeon]

Looks like a Pilots market as far as the Fokker is concerned at the moment. Rated and experienced drivers should start demanding decent terms and conditions. It’s an older type and not in mainstream use anymore so unlike the A320/B737 there aren’t many 200hr wonders coming along with the type on their license.

No one is going to self fund a rating on something like this and those who flew it in the past have probably moved on to bigger and better things by now. Experienced and current Pilots should be able to command a premium based on supply and demand.

Ahh you talk logic and reality not in the thinking of those now in charge of PX. Toofar , the blue lagoon and others of thier ilk have different agendas certainly not the success and sustainability of the national carrier.

[geeup]

Did ANG just deliver another Fokker 70?
P2-ANY
How many Fokkers are now in their fleet?

[olderairhead]

After the continuing flight cancellations and flight delays questions are finally being asked in Parliament and by the journalists.

And surprise, surprise the fact that 122 pilot's are no longer there since the ECP began is being ignored.

https://mylandmycountry.wordpress.com/2018/02/10/air-niuginis-dominic-kaumu-explains-ongoing-flight-delays-says-theres-a-pilot-shortage/

And

https://youtu.be/sxwbwqY2FmA

[tripelapidgeon]

Dominos Pizza needs to go back to class to learn English grammar. His "press release" was non-sensical and reminiscent of something that would be produced by a lower primary school student.

Older I believe the acronym coined for the restructuring (most will say destruction) of Air Niugini was the VEP (Value enhancement program) not ECP

[olderairhead]

Above the surface that's what Poxie called it, but behind closed doors it's the ECP. :E

[fortybelow]

ECP - Expat Cast-out Plan?

Love the politicians though: "delays for the last few weeks..." - :ugh:

[SammyBigs]

Hello friends

I came across two PX recruitment ads on avcanada looking for Dash Captains and Fokker crews (both Captain and FO). Apparently seeking both full-time and rotation positions. Around 2012, I saw one of their ads looking for Dash Captains with 3 weeks on/3 weeks off rotations based in Cairns with salary of ~140k/year (AUD). That seemed pretty reasonable to me. As a Dash Captain who's flown for a few months in PNG on a survey contract, I'm interested in hearing what they have to offer this time. I had a read through this discussion and there's some great info on here (thanks to all for keeping it updated with the current stuff) but I didn't see anything about current salaries and what the new rotations will be.

Can anyone comment about the current salaries and how the accommodations are which are provided in POM (I gather the lodging is in the Ela Beach area)? Also, what is the rotation they are offering (the ad says 3 on /3 off with 6 on / 6 off "by negotiation"). And what are the chances of internal movement to Fokker or other types?


Thanks very much for the help. Shoot me a PM if you don't feel like posting.

SB :)

[olderairhead]

This should be fun. :E

[LostProperty]

Olderairhead,


Right to work in Aussie would leave PX with a shed load of Fokkers with absolutly no one to fly em!!!! .

Alliance might end up with both the pilots and the Fokkers in the shed!

[olderairhead]

There were 7 parked against the fence in Pom yesterday.

[tripelapidgeon]

ECP = EXPAT C*!✓%S P*"?&FF

[balusnomore]

I was told that during the negotiations for the Contract of 2015 the aim was within 5 years to have only a small percentage of expats still in PX.

Guessing they must be close to that now but with the Cadet and National Pilots also leaving they will soon only have a small percentage of pilot numbers compared with aircraft numbers.

What semi smart person wouldn't have seen this coming.

The track to destruction couldn't have been mapped better if you tried.

[NCD]

Just had a look at the latest post in Aussie Airlines wages...
Virgin Australia narrow body EBA just voted up.

"New base rates for B737: (super not included)

Capt.
July 2017 $227,904
July 2018 $233,023
July 2019 $239,440

FO Level 1 / 2 / 3
July 2017 $125,347/$136,742/$148,138
July 2018 $128,167/$139,819/$151,471
July 2019 $131,692/$143,664/$155,637

OT trigger at 68.25 hrs per 28 day RP."


The latest Direct Entry PX B737 Captain reckons he earns the equivalent of AUD $125 K without super and only 4 weeks leave!!!!!!! OT triggers at 70.0.

Can earn more than that on the Dash.

No wonder PX can't get pilots..thankfully the separate company Link has stabilisation and a descent boss.

[gulliBell]

..The latest Direct Entry PX B737 Captain reckons he earns the equivalent of AUD $125 K without super and only 4 weeks leave!!!!!!! OT triggers at 70.0.

Can earn more than that on the Dash.


Can earn more than that flying a helicopter in PNG on equal time tours.

[krismiler]

Can probably do better on a 19 seat turboprop in Australia.

[geeup]

Better pay as Captain on an Otter 28 days on 28 days off.

[splat72]

Hello friends

I came across two PX recruitment ads on avcanada looking for Dash Captains and Fokker crews (both Captain and FO). Apparently seeking both full-time and rotation positions. Around 2012, I saw one of their ads looking for Dash Captains with 3 weeks on/3 weeks off rotations based in Cairns with salary of ~140k/year (AUD). That seemed pretty reasonable to me. As a Dash Captain who's flown for a few months in PNG on a survey contract, I'm interested in hearing what they have to offer this time. I had a read through this discussion and there's some great info on here (thanks to all for keeping it updated with the current stuff) but I didn't see anything about current salaries and what the new rotations will be.

Can anyone comment about the current salaries and how the accommodations are which are provided in POM (I gather the lodging is in the Ela Beach area)? Also, what is the rotation they are offering (the ad says 3 on /3 off with 6 on / 6 off "by negotiation"). And what are the chances of internal movement to Fokker or other types?


Thanks very much for the help. Shoot me a PM if you don't feel like posting.

SB :)
The Current salaries are crap, maintenance crap, morale crap, accomodation crap, managment however think all is wonderfull and continue to pat each other on the back.
To quote Forest Gumps mother “Stupid is what Stupid does”...

[olderairhead]

Hearing the lads are getting pretty excited today preparing for tonight's exclusive invitation only drinks and nibbles in the faulty towers Cafe hosted by the ops department.

Reckon there will be plenty of room to swing a dead cat or two around.......... That's if anyone shows up.

[olderairhead]

Just in, they now have to pay to go to work in their own cars. This includes the training centre, Poxie house and Fawlty Towers.

This notice is to POM based staff only.

As per AVSEC Management directive Vehicle Access Passes (stickers) for 2018 issued to Air Niugini Staffs and Contractors will be charged.

· Vehicle access passes (stickers) issued to staff for own private vehicles will be charged a fee of K20.00

· Staff that are using company vehicles will be charged K20.00. Respective departments are to raise SR and forward it to Security Department.

· All Contractors and sub-contractors will be charged K50.00 per sticker.

All payment of cash must be done at ANG Claims Office and present their receipts at Security admin counter to collect their passes (stickers).

PX Security Management



:D:D:D:D

[tripelapidgeon]

Please can someone teach them English "Air Niugini "staffs". Really

[Killer Loop]

Please can someone teach them English "Air Niugini "staffs". Really

Tripela,

For some reason PX admin staff struggle with (amongst many other things) the concept and use of “Mass Nouns”. Other common examples include Cargo(s), Accommodation(s) and Furniture(s).

Bloody annoying I agree but probably not at the top of the list of irritants for the troops right now. 🤪

[packapoo]

It's a PNG thing, KL.

[Mangi Fokker]

I disagree, it does need to be at the top of the list. Airlines rise and fall on their standards. If the HR department can't master basic english language, how are they going to handle, contracts, leases, compliance, etc. This decline in oversight of standards is reflected through all aspects of the company. Just ask their customers.

[Killer Loop]

I disagree, it does need to be at the top of the list. Airlines rise and fall on their standards. If the HR department can't master basic english language, how are they going to handle, contracts, leases, compliance, etc. This decline in oversight of standards is reflected through all aspects of the company. Just ask their customers.

I admire your standards Mangi and agree wholeheartedly with you.

[Killer Loop]

It's a PNG thing, KL.

It’s an education thing Packapoo. Plenty of other people in PNG manage it.

[DHC8 Driver]

What do you expect from a company with one of the world’s best HR managers. Bwah hahahahaha

[troppo]

It’s an education thing Packapoo. Plenty of other people in PNG manage it.

I wish to advice you its an pacific islands thing. Stuffs like this are same for all staffs.

Based upon advise, I know why queenie and the empire walked away...

[olderairhead]

The resignations continue. Another one gone today

123 and counting.

[NCD]

"Vehicle access passes (stickers) issued to staff for own private vehicles will be charged a fee of K20.00"

"The resignations continue. Another one gone today. 123 and counting".

Seeing that there would be around 150 cars needing parking permits, PX will raise about 3000 Kina.

The time to train a new hire, with endorsement costs, ground school, salary etc, would have to cost somewhere in a conservative area of 50 to 70K Aus dollars ran……plus loss of revenue because of flight cancellations due to the crew shortage.

Someone seem to have missed Business 101 if chasing a 20 kina parking fee is more important than nutting out some T&C’s that would keep pilots instead of having to throw cash at the training basket to replace them.

[geeup]

TBL Warrior don’t forget that will reduce the 767 fleet to 1 airframe.
Hard to stay current with 27 captains and 15 First Officers.
The amount of Reserve Days or Grey Days the lads are about to get would make a Qantas long haul pilot blush!
Won’t do much for their KPI however....

[balusnomore]

27 Captains on the 2 aircraft 767 fleet, well, thats nice work if you can get it.....am reliably told that there are 21 Fokker Captains on its 9 aircraft schedule. ouch!!!!

Now thats Airline Management 101...hahaha.

[olderairhead]

I am being told that realistically there are 18 Capts on the Fokker plus 3 under training which actually makes it worse.

[olderairhead]

Was Ducks Pilots a footy player? Well oil beef hooked!

[Mangi Fokker]

Are any of the 18 Fokker pilotsCheck Capts, who do not fly regularly? Internet says they have 14 Fokkers.

[tripelapidgeon]

The English language thing is not really irrelevant. The comment of its a PNG or Pacific thing is indicative of an acceptance of reduced standards from an operational sense and an overall reduction of governance and oversight from a societal point of view. This goes to the crux of the current industrial dispute where management thought they could make decrees and ride rough shod over the pilot body. There was a sham negotiation which the geniuses in ANH house classified as consultation.Is that a PNG THING ????

[olderairhead]

Are any of the 18 Fokker pilotsCheck Capts, who do not fly regularly? Internet says they have 14 Fokkers.

As stated they have 18 operational Captains which include C&T Captains so that explains why they park 7 of the 18 Fokker's against the fence.

Simple maths shows they cannot crew them and given that leavers outnumber arrivals it is obvious things are getting worse and worse.

Well done Simon Says, Sammy Toofar and Looneygona. You guys must be so proud of what you have achieved.

[troppo]

Without going on about the English language prowess,the acceptance of and 'dumbing down' of educational and professional standards is not acceptable. We all achieved to higher standards than what has become the norm. English is the primary language throughout Melanesia and it's not that hard to get right. As a learning experience walk into any public school in Melanesia and have a look at the resources they have to work with...it's sobering.

[Killer Loop]

The English language thing is not really irrelevant. The comment of its a PNG or Pacific thing is indicative of an acceptance of reduced standards from an operational sense and an overall reduction of governance and oversight from a societal point of view. This goes to the crux of the current industrial dispute where management thought they could make decrees and ride rough shod over the pilot body. There was a sham negotiation which the geniuses in ANH house classified as consultation.Is that a PNG THING ????

I couldn’t agree more. What does “it’s a PNG/South Pacific thing” even mean? Nothing, it’s just a cop out. Why is it a PNG/South Pacific thing? Well, Troppo seems to have answered the question perfectly above.....education.

[Mangi Fokker]

Rumour is there is a new schedule out to replace schedule 125(A). And that it only utilises 3 or 4 Fokkers. February/March has always been the low time of year, so who knows how that will go.

[balusnomore]

Surely no Airline Owner or Management team could be so inept or stupid to get to this position...could it be a plan for ANG to get rid of its Domestic Ops...give it to CG (who happens to also be owned by the GOVT in "around about way".

Leave ANG to do just International...leave the troublesome Domestic stuff to others.

A thought bubble yeah, but if the rumours are true about dropping down to a 3/4 aircraft schedule from a 9 aircraft schedule, while having a fleet of 14 Fokkers !!!!!

And if the owners, read the PNG Govt hasn't bothered to step in , surely some planing for this must have happended, otherwise the Management, Board of Directors and Post Holders would been flicked by now.

Airlines PNG have brand new ATR's, more coming, and Air Niugini has old Dashes and old Fokkers doing the Domestic runs. How does a private company get finance for new airframes and the Government owned Airline still flies outdated aircraft.

And does a drop down to 3/4 airframe schedule mean some of the guys will be furloughed, or is the schedule meant to meet the pilot numbers?

Was a freaking mess three + years ago, but from the sidelines this is now obviously worse and embarrassing to watch, sad for those still there.

[Mangi Fokker]

It's PNG, there are wheels within wheels and hidden agendas everywhere. The predominate public perception is the reduced Fokker ops is due to pilot shortage and DH8/B737 are being used to cover previous Fokker sectors.

[krismiler]

Does anyone remember the change over from Talair to MBA ? Perhaps something similar is going on.

[olderairhead]

I'm hearing that a Fokker ground school started on monday for 3 direct entry captains and a company upgrade captain. However the 3 direct entries were no shows.

Must have been underwhelmed by the T&C's.

[fortybelow]

Hope the contract instructor (JN?) still gets paid..:D

[krismiler]

Some airlines know they will have a few no shows for a class of new joiners and stick in a couple of extras to allow for this. Looks like ANG couldn’t even fill an intake, let alone have a few reserves.

Next step, other than collapse, is no bring in short term contract pilots which will generate considerable resentment when their pay package gets known.

[Loud Handle]

Next step, other than collapse, is no bring in short term contract pilots which will generate considerable resentment when their pay package gets known.

My money is on the former rather that the latter. If they had the money for contract pilots they would have already tried to have appeased the pilots and quell the exodus, they are not complete imbeciles.

I think PX is simply so impoverished that they have no choice (with the current management and lack of foresight and imagination) other than to carry on down the road to self destruction while hoping in the meantime some sort of sourcery will save them.

[olderairhead]

Also heard tonight that 70 flights were cancelled on the last roster due insufficient crew.

[Mangi Fokker]

Over 100 employees laid off at the government owned OkTedi mine today.

[tripelapidgeon]

My money is on the former rather that the latter. If they had the money for contract pilots they would have already tried to have appeased the pilots and quell the exodus, they are not complete imbeciles.

I think PX is simply so impoverished that they have no choice (with the current management and lack of foresight and imagination) other than to carry on down the road to self destruction while hoping in the meantime some sort of sourcery will save them.

"They are not complete imbeciles" ? huh🤔🤔🤔🤔

Also know a couple of Ok Tedi expats who bailed a couple of years ago because they could not stomach the corruption and ineptitude anymore.

[DHC8 Driver]

This was planned for the beginning. In 2014 Toofa issued a memo that told all the pilots that the company would move to having an almost all national pilot composition with just a few expats. He has well and truly achieved his goal and I’m sure he is giving himself a big pat on the back every day.

ANG’s current situation is purely political. That’s why the politicians are tolerating it and tolerating the current management team.

Any expat who accepts a position at ANG with an expectation of long term employment is naive, IMHO!

[tripelapidgeon]

Naive would be an understatement. To take a a job with PX let alone expect any form of long term career would indeed be a perilous move. A little research of this thread or better still have a chat to some of recent and current drivers and they will give the good/BAD oil. Unless of course one would like to experiment in a game of Russian Roulette with all barrels loaded.

[Dan_Brown]

Bet those crews won't be here come Jan.

That was the result of QF, trying to reinvent the wheel.

[olderairhead]

Information from my sources tells me that a minimum of 22 flights a day are now being cancelled due to no crew. :ugh:

And as for the recent get together with ops, been told that they had no furniture (tables, chairs etc) so had to borrow them from the Gateway and return them after the frivolities. :ok:

[olderairhead]

I am hearing that another 3 have pulled the pin. 2 National Captains on the Dash fleet who have recently completed their cadetships only to find they have been put on B scale along with a National FO. All gone to the opposition

Just waiting on confirmation so only a rumour at this stage.

[Loud Handle]

I am hearing that another 3 have pulled the pin. 2 National Captains on the Dash fleet who have recently completed their cadetships only to find they have been put on B scale along with a National FO. All gone to the opposition

Just waiting on confirmation so only a rumour at this stage.

Well congratulations to the National pilots for standing up to the bullying from the 4th Floor and having the stones to do what’s best for them, their families and their careers.

Now, let’s hope the expat pilots left have the gumption to do the same.

And before the two or three apologists that chime in here defending the expats who stay for one flimsy reason or another and attack Pruners like TBL Warrior as they prattle on about supporting the expat pilots.....boo f@cking hoo! .......there are no excuses left for expats to stay in this toxic environment!

With the plethora of jobs available (and I mean plethora) at the moment everyone left should have at least three applications in with other carriers.

Which ones? Doesn’t matter, none can be as bad as the present **** show and just having an application in will make you feel better as you take it up the proverbial.

Unless you have Stockholm’s Syndrome you have no excuse to stay at the South Pacific Circus.

[DHC8 Driver]

Well said Loud Handle
Agree with every word you said

[olderairhead]

Looks like the clock is ticking

https://storage.jumpshare.com/preview/Wfoaotg42YLw96ADeNPa8BWgKYsLTbvRkzklSU_c4-a7PJE_Uqlv1JfR_e9mBM52I9ItEvsAKauH3EFHAIOaTd0Iq-_ZMIwlJNqsu6s4bO0F1kR3dMUjedqC16uBUu85

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=142684186549145&id=100024226926298&set=gm.1991245621096098&source=57&refid=18&__tn__=EH-R

[tripelapidgeon]

Looks like the clock is ticking

https://storage.jumpshare.com/preview/Wfoaotg42YLw96ADeNPa8BWgKYsLTbvRkzklSU_c4-a7PJE_Uqlv1JfR_e9mBM52I9ItEvsAKauH3EFHAIOaTd0Iq-_ZMIwlJNqsu6s4bO0F1kR3dMUjedqC16uBUu85

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=142684186549145&id=100024226926298&set=gm.1991245621096098&source=57&refid=18&__tn__=EH-R
This communication would appear to refer to public servants. Not necessarily PX. It is almost a constant the Independent state of Papua New Guinea is on the financial abyss. This does not mean that PX does not have the Cashflow to make its salaries. That being said it does not bode well for the short and medium term viability of the PNG economy, particularly considering the recent earthquake in the southern Highlands. This disaster maybe a blessing in disguise allowing an inflow of cash from foreign donors which will serve as a short term bailout.

[olderairhead]

I have been told pilots have not been paid yet.

[tripelapidgeon]

I have been told pilots have not been paid yet.

Perhaps Simple Simon and Loony Logona delivered big cardboard cheque to the big cheese O steel this week to bail him out. Leaving the PX coffers empty.

[olderairhead]

They got paid........... this week.

Worth watching this https://youtu.be/QxznUgwDQf0 puts the financial position of PNG into perspective remembering that Poxie is a a guvment company.

[geeup]

And yet people keep applying.
Recruitment sims today and over the next few days.
Don’t just limit the current problems to ANG/LINKPNG as PNGAir, Hevilift, TropicAir, North Coast all have the same issues.
Foreign currency exchange rate or age will be he final straw for the remaining “A Scale” expats.

[krismiler]

Why would they worry ? The Australian government will step in with an emergency aid package to bail them out. If the place was competently run it would be a very rich country given its vast resources and relatively small population.

A team of outside auditors would have a field day exposing where the revenue received actually ends up.

[DHC8 Driver]

The problem with this industry is that there will ALWAYS be people prepared to work for nothing just for a chance at flying a plane, for wearing the cool uniform, telling their mates they are an airline pilot. I can’t blame them. I was like that myself once, flying skydiving aircraft for free to get hours. I saw an ad today for Eagle Jet in the US offering a chance to fly a B747 freighter in the Middle East - just pay $59,000 US and it’s all yours! So I guess the lure of flying for ANG is too tempting for some.

Unfortunately the dream soon becomes a nightmare when you find out that you are stuck in a third world **** hole (just quoting the US president), getting paid sweet FA, always tired, stressed out, even too scared to go for a walk outside the compound. You don’t get to go home when you expect, the aircon in your room doesn’t work and you get bitten by 100 mosquitos and end up with dengue fever or malaria, you are treated like scum (anyone wanting to know how racism feels - this is the job for you), the roster you get isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, crewing will constantly call and change your plans, and I could go on all day with other examples of why it totally sucks.

I was there for 9 years. The first 2-3 years were great. I thought I had the best job in the world - good money, great flying, good mates to drink with and tell war stories at the bar. But that all changed about the time O’Neil became PM. O’Neil’s government gambled on making money from oil and gas. They borrowed big from China. Port Moresby was gonna be the new Dubai of the Pacific they touted. The mood in PNG became very anti-foreigner, especially Australian. At one time I had an M16 rifle pointed at my head by the police who stole my money (they called taking all my money at the point of a gun a fine) after they chased me and accused me of speeding. But the price of oil plummeted and the rest is history. Now PNG is an economic basket case.

The management at ANG also changed at that time and a new policy termed the Value Enhancement Program (VEP) was introduced. This basically involved cutting all pilots benefits, a 30 percent pay cut, and a policy to rid the airline of expats. It was basically a crusade by upper management to put the pesky pilots in their place. This totally destroyed the morale of all pilots, expat and national alike. Over the next three years 120+ pilots resigned. The exodus of pilots brought ANG to its knees.

All those new hires will feel the same after 6-12 months max, I guarantee. There is not one single expat at ANG now who genuinely wants to be there. There are some who are stuck for varying reasons but none of them want to be there. I know because they are my friends and they tell me.

Good luck to you if you go but please don’t ever say nobody warned you. There are over 1000 posts on this thread - if you didn’t read them more fool you!!!

By the way if you really want to be an airline pilot so much I reckon you’d be better off paying the 59 grand and doing the 747 freighter gig myself - a lot less stress!

Eagle Jet International, Inc. (http://www.eaglejet.net)

[olderairhead]

DHC8 Driver well summed up but Simple Simon is fixing it.

He says so here Air Niugini takes steps to address Pilot Shortage | Papua New Guinea Today (http://news.pngfacts.com/2018/02/air-niugini-takes-steps-to-address.html)

the airline has already taken steps to address the current pilot shortage by improving terms and conditions of the existing crew to stay competitive in the market

Really???

[DHC8 Driver]

I honestly hope for the sake of the guys still there that it’s true, but I reckon it will be too little too late. Especially given the overall state of the PNG economy and the falling Kina.

The problem for that management team is that no one believes a word they say anymore.

[Seagull201]

[QUOTE=DHC8 Driver;10069295]The problem with this industry is that there will ALWAYS be people prepared to work for nothing just for a chance at flying a plane, for wearing the cool uniform, telling their mates they are an airline pilot. I can’t blame them. I was like that myself once, flying skydiving aircraft for free to get hours. I saw an ad today for Eagle Jet in the US offering a chance to fly a B747 freighter in the Middle East - just pay $59,000 US and it’s all yours! So I guess the lure of flying for ANG is too tempting for some.

For a person to do these Eaglejet programmes, an FAA or JAA license is needed, also some type of visa, a person has to pay for their own accommodation, the biggest worry is sending tens of thousands of dollars to people on the other side of the world, that just answer the phone.

If a person wants to go down that path and has access to large amounts of money, a better option would be, to get an A320 type rating (35K simulator only) and sign up for the Vietjet cadet programme.
Details are listed through the Vietjet website under careers. Person needs an ICAO Frozen ATPL and type rating.

I know there has been large amounts of discussion on Vietjet, there's nothing mentioned on their website that their programme is a pay to fly scheme, if it is, it's a better option than through Eagle.
Virtually all the Captains at Vietjet are foreigners. Vietnam's an interesting place.