Plane Down in Hudson River - NYC

[Bartholomew]

I'll be the first to admit... I read through the first few pages as this drama unfolded, and since then I have not read anything on this site - for fear that the armchair and fltsim fiends would all be throwing in their 2 cents worth. Here we are... this long after the event... and we STILL have people standing up and saying "he did "this" wrong" or "he should have done "that" differently".

What is it with you people?

Sully did what he was paid to do - he made the best decision he could at the time, based on his training and the options available to him at that particular moment in time.

Everyone survived.

What else do you buggers want?

For goodness sakes... get a life and and a good dose of reality at the same time!

You people make me sick (and ashamed to think that at least 5% of you might actually still be active flight deck crew??????).

Shocking :=

[Bartholomew]

Just in case you missed the most important part of that rant....

here it is again....

EVERYONE SURVIVED!

Now back off and get a life.......
:bored:

[Bealzebub]

Well it was over 2 years ago, and there have been a lot of posts since then. Perhaps you should try reading a bit more and ranting a bit less!

The overwhelming consensus of opinion, supported the obvious conclusion that this was one of the all time best combinations of decision making, crew resource management, teamwork, ability, cool and calculated thinking, outcome and luck.

On top of that, the captain used his well deserved fame to highlight the problems that were and are endemic in the air transport industry.

So why don't you get over yourself a little bit, and take the time to read what actually has been written. Better still, have a bit of sleep and then do it.

I read through the first few pages as this drama unfolded, and since then I have not read anything on this site Odd, because you have posted quite a bit since Jan 2009, twenty three times in fact, including as recently as the 18th of January this year?

[Bartholomew]

The few posts I read before my post talk about APU starting - good/bad... and flair options.

I don't need any sleep to see that there are still people out there nit-picking.

But thanks so much for your concern.

Oh, and thanks for checking up on when I last posted here... Mavis.

Perhaps next time I should be more succinct and declare "this thread" as opposed to "this site".

You have far too much time on your hands. Like most others on this.... thread/site/planet. :D

[Graybeard]

Sully gave a terrific interview on Bill Maher's "Real Time" on HBO last night. He's lost 40% of his pension, and Jeff Skiles has lost 60%. Airline employees are unfortunately leading the way in the destruction of the US Middle Class. Air travel is following the way of cheap imports that look ok, but fail miserably in service.

[rottenray]

Bartholomew (http://www.pprune.org/members/116332-bartholomew) writes:
EVERYONE SURVIVED!... which is what makes this accident so valuable, and worth so much discussion.

Please understand that a lot of the opinions expressed here and elsewhere are not necessarily indictments of Sully & Co.

The simple fact of the matter is that this was a major accident in which everyone survived, and a very unusual accident at that; hence, discussing and dissecting it is not a bad thing.

In fact, it is a good thing.

All of the "Well, I would have done this!" and "Well, he should have done that!" statements are recorded here for posterity for everyone to read and consider.

Obviously, Sully did the right things at the right time - everyone survived.

Discussions of what he *might* have done differently are just that, discussions. But they have value, as these discussions make people think about the situation.


Cheers!

[cyflyer]

Thanks for the heads-up on the Bill Maher Realtime show Graybeard. I'd like to see that. Checked in on the website and it appears you can watch the episode a week in delay
HBO: Real Time with Bill Maher: Homepage (http://www.hbo.com/real-time-with-bill-maher/index.html)
so I'll keep a watch on it next few days, unless you know of elsewhere where its playing immediately.

On the subject of the book, and for those that don't know, they are supposedly going to make it into a movie, maybe with with Harrison Ford as Capt Sully. Here's the link to the video report:

From Hudson to Hollywood - CBS News Video (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6918231n)

Bottom line, he landed under difficult circumstances, everyone saved, well done to the man. Incidentally, why did he lose 40% of his pension ?

[pattern_is_full]

HBO reruns Real Time 3-4 times during the following week - on thie main channel. Check Sunday or Monday listings - I think about noon or 1 pm EST (sorry, too late at night to figure Zulu!)

As to pension cut: Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger To Congress: My Pay Has Been Cut 40 Percent In Recent Years, Pension Terminated (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/chesley-sully-sullenberge_0_n_169512.html)

Short (and thus imprecise) version being companies (in this case airlines) get to reduce pension obligations as part of bankruptcies. Pensioners are counted as "creditors" who get cents on the dollar.

[Graybeard]

You're right about pay and pensions, PIF. Shows the limitation of my hearing and retention in real time. Guess I should use the Digital Video Recorder more aggressively if I'm going to report here...

[bubbers44]

Real Time plays at 6:45 PM EDT on Directv and again in the middle of the night. I am recording both to see it. Don't be so hard on yourself GB. If we were all perfect on every post this would be a very boring place.

[alph2z]

Saw Sully on RTwBM. Was funny and sad. Talked about pension and salary cuts. But I don't believe we know the whole story. Also talked about Buffalo crash.

Successfully downloaded and saw RTwBM with (550 MB). This link worked as opposed to some fake ones.

Free File Hosting, Online Storage &amp File Upload with FileServe (http://www.fileserve.com/file/NZqKvG2/Real.Time.with.Bill.Maher.2011.04.08.HDTV.XviD-FQM.avi#)
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[craftmaster]

I have questions but did not see the answers in any post. After the crash in an interview, Sully reported they tried to dive under the geese. Is that confirmed? Did they try to out dive geese?

If they had raised the nose would the high aoa minimized some of the bird ingestion?

Geese were reported on radar, did they get the report of a target?

:30 seconds before bird impact he was gazing at the Hudson and reported how nice it looked. Did he mention at what point he began lo0oking out the front window again?

[Ditchdigger]

Geese were reported on radar, did they get the report of a target?



Congressional testimony of the crew, and controller Patrick Harten:

YouTube - ‪Rep. John Mica (R-FL) attacks Air Traffic Controller at Congressional Hearing.‬‏

At around 2 and a half minutes Congressman Mica directly questions the controller about whether he could see the geese.

[grumpyoldgeek]

Just in case you missed the most important part of that rant....

here it is again....

EVERYONE SURVIVED!

To which I would add, even the airframe survived well enough to become a museum exhibit.

[Raj Merlion]

It would have been awesome if Sully and copilot had eyeballed the flock of geese and evaded them. But then we would not have this great story for posterity.

[Coffin Dodger]

Looks like the professionals on the receiving end of the questions there in that vid showed very very large amounts of patience.

[G-BNOZ]

Well that 'Congressman' was not trying to manipulate the answers he got at all...