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Atlantic Explorer 22nd September 2022 10:25

Crikey, I’d thought I’d woken up on April 1st this morning reading all the recent postings of Flybe’s latest route announcements. They must have some seriously deep pockets as they're going to lose a shed load of cash with this latest foray. I’m genuinely struggling to see what their business plan and strategy is, it’s just so scattergun it’s difficult to see where they’re going with the business (apart from squandering a whole load of cash)

Very interesting times ahead!

stewyb 22nd September 2022 10:32


Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer (Post 11300669)
Crikey, I’d thought I’d woken up on April 1st this morning reading all the recent postings of Flybe’s latest route announcements. They must have some seriously deep pockets as they're going to lose a shed load of cash with this latest foray. I’m genuinely struggling to see what their business plan and strategy is, it’s just so scattergun it’s difficult to see where they’re going with the business (apart from squandering a whole load of cash)

Very interesting times ahead!

yes they seem to be making the same business decisions and ultimately mistakes all over again. I just cannot see where their logical thinking is and it’s all very scattergun as you say!

SWBKCB 22nd September 2022 11:02

Is the common denominator trying to keep hold of LHR slots, NQY and IOM/BHD replacing LBA?

JobsaGoodun 24th September 2022 08:20


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11300701)
Is the common denominator trying to keep hold of LHR slots, NQY and IOM/BHD replacing LBA?

Almost certainly, otherwise they’d need to hand them back to IAG.

CaptainActor 24th September 2022 10:52

Only guessing but I just cannot see them making money at present. Coupled with an almost definite recession on the horizon, flybe v2 looks precarious.
I hope it works out as a business so that the crews still looking for work get a chance of re-employment if business expands.



Rivet Joint 25th September 2022 10:27

I agree with others they appear to be making the same mistakes. As a new business it is never a good idea to instantly go after the competition. They should be focusing on routes with no competition and then when they are stronger start picking fights. I would love to know the logic on focusing so much on BHD when Emerald were already setting out their stool there and with the backing of EI.

when it comes to competition surely it would make sense to focus on the routes LM use the 145 on as it’s cramp and not the most efficient. I think most would take the Q400 over one of those as it’s nearly as quick, more space and tickets would be cheaper.

willy wombat 25th September 2022 11:44

I would take the jet over the Q400 (which isn’t particularly Q) any time.

Hial Flyer 25th September 2022 20:02


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 11302415)
I would take the jet over the Q400 (which isn’t particularly Q) any time.

I agree. The E145 over the Q400 anyday. Use LM regularly. The service is great. Plus do they not own all the E145s, so no leasing costs involved.

BHD2BFS 25th September 2022 23:14


Originally Posted by Rivet Joint (Post 11302366)
I agree with others they appear to be making the same mistakes. As a new business it is never a good idea to instantly go after the competition. They should be focusing on routes with no competition and then when they are stronger start picking fights. I would love to know the logic on focusing so much on BHD when Emerald were already setting out their stool there and with the backing of EI.

when it comes to competition surely it would make sense to focus on the routes LM use the 145 on as it’s cramp and not the most efficient. I think most would take the Q400 over one of those as it’s nearly as quick, more space and tickets would be cheaper.

Does anyone know who is winning in BHD between EI and BE?
when will CAA figures be released to show the comparison?

cavokblues 26th September 2022 14:34

The much debated May pax figures on the CAA have been updated on the 22/9/22 as below.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f88aba73c8.jpg

BHX5DME 26th September 2022 14:42

[QUOTE=cavokblues;11303031]The much debated May pax figures on the CAA have been updated on the 22/9/22 as below.

Thise figures look a lot better / more accurate than the original ones

Asturias56 27th September 2022 07:24

53% of capacity - but one would hope that would build as the brand re-establishes itself

Hearmenow 27th September 2022 13:32


Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun (Post 11301808)
Almost certainly, otherwise they’d need to hand them back to IAG.

I see VA have joined SkyTeam.

allan1987 27th September 2022 17:46


Originally Posted by Hearmenow (Post 11303595)
I see VA have joined SkyTeam.

Possibily Flybe might codeshare with airlines that are in SkyTeam?

tictack67 27th September 2022 18:27


Originally Posted by allan1987 (Post 11303730)
Possibily Flybe might codeshare with airlines that are in SkyTeam?

Unlikely, rumoured at the time that BMI paid over £1 Million to join Star Alliance

These alliances have strict entrance criteria to meet, it's not automatic.

https://www.skyteam.com/en/about/air...r-requirements

SWBKCB 27th September 2022 19:17

You can codeshare without coming a member but there will be hoops to be jumped through (I think SkyTeam have announced that they aren't accepting anybody else anyway).

Also, didn't VS lose on mk 1, and are no longer involved?

tictack67 28th September 2022 07:29


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11303782)
You can codeshare without coming a member but there will be hoops to be jumped through (I think SkyTeam have announced that they aren't accepting anybody else anyway).

Also, didn't VS lose on mk 1, and are no longer involved?

Yes.

To operate a codeshare flight you have to be fully safety audited and have customer service standard equal to or great than the company whose code you wish to use.

Very tough. On domestic UK flights BMI got circa £50 pp for codeshare pax, one of reasons they went under.


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