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RogueOne 31st May 2022 12:54

Children squabbling over trustpilot reviews.... I've seen it all now. Anyone can post there at any time and say what they like. It's like the fake review scandal on Amazon!! hahaha. Forgetting 90% of reviews on there are from Flybe v1.

On another note, the majority delays and cancellations of the last couple of weeks have been due to problems in and out of AMS... a/c have taken multiple hour delays in and out because of slot restrictions. You only have to open your eyes and see 2-4hr queues to just get through security at Dublin, Manchester, Birmingham, Amsterdam... all airlines are struggling, but by all means pick a narrative that points your bent finger at 'same old flybe'.

BA318 31st May 2022 13:24


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11238363)
Children squabbling over trustpilot reviews.... I've seen it all now. Anyone can post there at any time and say what they like. It's like the fake review scandal on Amazon!! hahaha. Forgetting 90% of reviews on there are from Flybe v1.

On another note, the majority delays and cancellations of the last couple of weeks have been due to problems in and out of AMS... a/c have taken multiple hour delays in and out because of slot restrictions. You only have to open your eyes and see 2-4hr queues to just get through security at Dublin, Manchester, Birmingham, Amsterdam... all airlines are struggling, but by all means pick a narrative that points your bent finger at 'same old flybe'.

I literally posted a plane which hasn’t been near AMS in a week and it still had multiple long delays on 4 out of 7 days. Of course everyone is dealing with issues but at the same time they are not new companies trying to establish themselves in a highly competitive market where there are plenty of alternatives.

of the AMS flights most have departed AMS on time or less than an hour late apart from a couple of the past week AMS-BHX which were approximately (give or take) 2hrs late. How has that screwed the ops across the network for the past two weeks?

Wycombe 31st May 2022 13:43


How has that screwed the ops across the network for the past two weeks?
Ops are not screwed across the network, most flights are on-time or within 15-20 mins of being so, but AMS is having an impact, as well as other airports in the current network, at various times.

Emerald is also a new operation (and another which looks very much like the old one) who seem to be suffering similar delays at various times, although none of their a/c go anywhere AMS as far as I know.

These new operations still have to get their pax through the same security, ground handling, air traffic delays, weather etc, so very hard to establish/differentiate in those circumstances.

davidjohnson6 31st May 2022 14:03

Emerald may not go anywhere near Amsterdam... but they have a very heavy dependence on Dublin, which has been seeing its own issues
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022...n-airport-daa/
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/05/31/hellish-queues-outside-dublin-airport-in-the-early-hours-as-passengers-try-not-to-miss-fli

USER0005 31st May 2022 14:29

I have just this minute glanced at all the aircraft in the Flybe fleet to see how today is going. It might surprise some to hear that all the aircraft are operating reasonably to time (within 30 minutes) which given the state of air travel at the moment, and that they are working the four units they have bloody hard is pretty reasonable. There is but one exception showing at the moment - that is G-ECOE on BE1334 AMS / BHD which is carrying a long delay.

Of course that doesn't fit the narrative of some on this thread, but actually when you look back over the last few days, apart from for yesterday which looks to have been a bit of a mare, it really hasn't been too bad in the wider scheme of things. That said there is always room for improvement.

jamestkirk 31st May 2022 16:03

Rogue one.

who has forgotten 90% are from Flybe v.1 to be fair to air southwest, we both acknowledged that.

you call us children
I call you shoddy. Next time try reading the posts, you may learn something. But I won’t hold my breath.

RogueOne 31st May 2022 18:25


Originally Posted by jamestkirk (Post 11238467)
Rogue one.

who has forgotten 90% are from Flybe v.1 to be fair to air southwest, we both acknowledged that.

you call us children
I call you shoddy. Next time try reading the posts, you may learn something. But I won’t hold my breath.

I read all the posts thanks boss... and still TP was being brought up. Maybe don't take everything so personally...

:}:}​​​​​​​:}​​​​​​​:}​​​​​​​:}​​​​​​​ Shoddy. That's a new one, I'm going to need a mental health check after that broadside. Thanks Capt!!

Loofa 3rd June 2022 23:41

Tried the new Flybe this week with a total of four flights. All delayed, ranging from 45 mins to 2hr 54m on tonight’s LBA-LHR. All in all not great, one delay was Late inbound from Amsterdam, the rest staff/system/paperwork related. Total shambles at Leeds tonight with zero information relating to the rolling delay and only two Swissair staff on duty meaning they could only board one flight at a time, plus they had a cancelled TUI to deal with. The departure board didn’t even acknowledge a delay until 90 mins after departure time. Managed to get to Heathrow just before compensation would have kicked in! Can’t see me going near Flybe again for a while, their schedule seems to be totally unrealistic at the moment.

Wycombe 4th June 2022 06:49


Originally Posted by Loofa (Post 11240407)
Tried the new Flybe this week with a total of four flights. All delayed, ranging from 45 mins to 2hr 54m on tonight’s LBA-LHR. All in all not great, one delay was Late inbound from Amsterdam, the rest staff/system/paperwork related. Total shambles at Leeds tonight with zero information relating to the rolling delay and only two Swissair staff on duty meaning they could only board one flight at a time, plus they had a cancelled TUI to deal with. The departure board didn’t even acknowledge a delay until 90 mins after departure time. Managed to get to Heathrow just before compensation would have kicked in! Can’t see me going near Flybe again for a while, their schedule seems to be totally unrealistic at the moment.

It seems to me the problems they have are the same as many other airlines currently (including regionals such as Loganair and Emerald, who have had similar delays on some flights over the last few days), but are exacerbated by the size of the schedule they are trying to operate with only 4 a/c, which currently therefore include some 8 and 9 sector days.

Apparently, there are further aircraft due to be delivered (including at least one last week) that have not happened/been delayed, which is contributing further to the current poor performance (I reckon about 50% are being delayed overall - 2 out of 3 of this morning's first flights are on time, but things generally slip during the day).

Albert Hall 4th June 2022 09:09

This morning’s LBA-LHR looks to have diverted into Birmingham for some reason. It has to be said that this doesn’t seem to be a route blessed with good fortune.

willy wombat 4th June 2022 16:14

I am curious as to why Flybe feel the need to work the aircraft so hard with consequent problems and delays. Traditionally you either have expensive aircraft with low docs and these you have to work hard. Alternatively you have cheap aircraft, with possibly higher docs, and these you can work less hard and concentrate on using them at the peaks. Given that Flybe must have got these dash 8s for peanuts (and if not, questions must be asked) they should have the luxury of being able to economically operate a more relaxed schedule and be the UK’s most punctual airline. Now that would be a USP.

BA318 4th June 2022 20:44


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11240840)
Seems like KLM and Schiphol are struggling so much that they're flying empty planes back home, and not bringing the passengers because the airport can't cope. :uhoh:

If the flag carrier is struggling at home base, it's understandable that all airlines including Flybe are taking a hit on delays and cancellations messing with the schedule.

Schiphol is somehow overwhelmed, add in maintenance planned for this weekend and strong winds from the North... and everything grinds to a halt.

Indeed KLM are taking a tough time atm. But I would imagine they can afford to pay the EU241 compensation bill. But on some days the delays on Flybe must be more than wiping out any profits. Any Flybe don’t have good years savings or the possibility of the state stepping in to help them out if it gets too tough.

I agree with the above post. Drop a daily rotation, run an on time schedule and press release it for some cheap/free coverage and get known as the only UK carrier operating on time.

TartinTon 5th June 2022 07:27

Schiphol is in trouble because it is supposed to have a ground staff of 1400 and has a current shortfall of 600 with only 200 in the training pipeline. This will not be a short-term issue.

ZULUBOY 5th June 2022 08:56

I was on delayed Flybe flight from AMS to BHX yesterday evening. I was checking the plane all day and it was fine on the BHX-BHD-BHX leg but pilot said they then couldn't get into AMS and so had to sit at BHX and wait. We were only an hour and an half late in the end which wasn't too bad given it had to the EMA leg first. Virtually all flights into Schipol were showing as delayed yesterday.

The queues were fine at Schipol when we got there but I think that was due to the time of day. I saw horror stories on Twitter when we were on our train from Berlin about people queuing for hours in the morning




Wycombe 6th June 2022 19:24

....ambitious, and very reliant on aircraft serviceability! The current operation is really thinly spread, with the 4 aircraft they have at the moment nightstopping in BHD, BHX, LBA and AMS.

FR24 suggests that none of the other soon expected airframes (apparently FLBA, FLBB and JECP) have moved in the last couple of weeks.

SWBKCB 6th June 2022 19:31


Because the Flybe schedules requires 6 aircraft but due to delays in maintenance bringing aircraft back into service they're currently having to work the 4 aircraft they have harder.
On the other hand, it has been stated here that with their prior knowledge of the a/c history's they were getting the pick of the bunch, and it's not as if they didn't have plenty of time before the deferred launch to get things sorted.

c52 6th June 2022 22:04

( Norse Atlantic have a fleet of 787s all painted up with nowhere to go yet )

Atlantic Explorer 7th June 2022 04:36


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11241929)
It's nothing to do with picking & choosing the best. Part of it is down to all of them being in storage for two years, all the systems are meant to be tested and operated on a regular basis, hydraulics for example to prevent seals from perishing but this isn't always possible due to other reasons. Exeter is well known for doing a very good job and won't allow aircraft back into service if licenced engineers are not happy with the state of the aircraft. Another issue particularly for the Dash 8 is that the parts have to be shipped across from Canada which are currently being delayed or taking longer than usual due to supply chain issues.

So again it's partly out of Flybe's hands, In regards to sorting things out before their launch its a fine balancing act between getting the aircraft in service for the launch but not having them sitting around doing nothing for ages (which to my knowledge for any new airline never happens Air Southwest for example only started with 2 aircraft, added a third and then eventually scaled up to leasing a further 2)

All of which could have been reasonably foreseen by any diligent operator and accounted for when scheduling the airframes.

The expression ‘trying to run before you can walk’ springs to mind!


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