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I'm not saying that Blackpool should not stand or fall on it's own two feet.
Having said that it was Blackpool that signed the contracts with the airlines at the agreed amount and I'm sorry but if that price did not cover the day-to day running of the airport when there is little other income then you have to ask if the airport should still be in business.
You can run at a loss but not for long.
If you cannot cover your costs with your income you will fail.
As for the ADF not my problem. If you can charge £70-£80 for parking then charge that and scrap the ADF:}

MUFC

Point taken. Not sure I'd have a lot of happy customers though.
Morally if not legally(I'm not really into the legal aspect) I think I would have to tell them beforehand.
Childish No. It's his money and if he thinks what BLK is doing is wrong then he has every right to go elsewhere.

I am saying YOUR £10 note won't make a difference. The 000's of families in the NW who see themselves saving £30+ by using BLK will see it as a great deal!

Well, let's see if they turn up, then.

MUFC

Have you done a deal with BLK?
Are you getting a cut of the £10?
Cos your doing your best to put a positive spin on this ADF.
I hope all these thousands don't turn up in one go. They would have nowhere to park:E

E.F.

Regardless of my username, and I'm not employed by the airport, for me and family to fly out to Faro in the not too distant future, it is now going to cost us £20 to park and depart, 25 mins from home for an 0730 departure.

If we had gone from MAN or LPL then there would have been the best part of a tank of fuel round trip (call it £35) plus parking with APH which is usually £30ish plus 2 toddlers, car seats, buggy and bags on a shuttle bus, plus leaving home an hour extra before check in times just to get there.

Ok the LS flights might have been a bit more expensive than say MON but the drive to BLK and parking, when considered in the whole, is clearly cheaper AND EASIER!!!!

Surely that is the issue with BLK and the ADF, if it saves you time and hassle, and you break even or save a bit then it is a bearable inconvenience. Will people really pay more or choose more hassle at MAN just because BLK requires a tenner on departure?

By the way, it was a beautiful thing to see the BE Embrear departing today, 3 buses on the apron at once, just like 2007! Maybe BE have plans up their corporate sleeves....

Haha. 20% plus expenses.:ok:

ADF is not good, but it isnt going to go anywhere so we have to live with it. There is a major advantage to it as mentioned before.

My maths;
Bolton - Blackpool (ret) by car, 80 miles £10
ADF £10
Total, £20

Bolton - Manchester Airport (ret, by bus then train) £8 tops
No ADF
Total, £8

I'm already £12 better off by avoiding Blackpool. Three trips per year = £36 saved, which is half-way to another flight. All adds up!!

Why not do train and bus to BLK?:confused:

It also obviously depends on flight prices but really, howard h, I couldn't care less whether you fly from Blackpool, Manchester or even Inverness.

The fact is, ADF is here to stay.

It all depends on your start point.
From here Blk & NCL are 2hrs drive, any others a min of 2 1/2 hrs so the cost element comes into play (having said that the only airport that has flights to where I usually go is MAN)

howard and all the others against the ADF.

I have booked Palma in May - Alicante in July/August.

2 adults paying £10 each - 2 children don't pat the ADF = £40 up until summer.

No parking fees - Net profit £40 approx.

You was unlucky with your timing howard - so was I. Fact if - They had to introduce it at some stage, so it follows some of us would let unlucky.

Tell you why people will pay the ADF.

1) Still be cheaper than Manchester - even from Preston - Chorley or even Bolton.

2) Most important - Ease of use, no long walks. a simple hassle free airport to use.

It is my choice to continue to use Blackpool, it is your to not do so - I will be sat comfortable in the Departure lounge at Blackpool while you are dragging your luggage round Manchester having also paid for parking.

And how far is the car parking from the airport at Manchester?. Does not make much sense boycotting Blackpool because of a much needed tenner by BB to keep the airport maintained.

Why not do train and bus to BLK?
Thats £15 + the ADF. I was gonna go on the train originally.

It also obviously depends on flight prices but really, howard h, I couldn't care less whether you fly from Blackpool, Manchester or even Inverness.
I couldn't care less that you couldn't care less. If you think the ADF's so great, why don't you send the airport a few cheques to allow others to get in for free?

The fact is, ADF is here to stay.
We'll see.

Ease of use, no long walks. a simple hassle free airport to use.
So why don't they use that as their selling point rather than mug everyone??
I agree with the statement, but I'd rather queue for 30 mins at security than fork out a tenner which could be spent on better things.

Keep the free parking, drop the ADF, advertise the good points and Blackpool would be THRIVING.

I have some sympathy with that - I have said in earlier posts that BLP don't promote themselves properly. This mismanagement and failure to promote your business is just that has gone on for years by the previous owners, and BB can't be blamed for that. Can they?.

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Originally Posted by howard h

Why not do train and bus to BLK?
Thats £15 + the ADF. I was gonna go on the train originally.

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Fair point: But if I was to travel from my town in South Lancashire by rail 2 adults and 2 children.

2 adults £13-50 each weekly return.

2 children £7 approx weekly return.

Total £41 -00 - ADP £20-00.

Not much different to Manchester - But would save the ADC, Liverpool more expensive so not much saving there, and awkward to get there.

I use a car - So I gain, but even so I would rather cough up £10 that use public transport and have the hassle of Manchester.

Last year I used a taxi three times, so I would have lost if the ADP had been in place.

But look at the benefits of Blackpool, every time I get back from Malaga or Palma it's between 11pm and 11-30 pm and you are feeling pretty knackered. With BLK no walking, no waiting - Is £10 that bad as you would wish to bother with Manchester after a long day getting home - Not for me anyway. Even if I did not use my care which I will be doing, I would still rather pay the £10 and get out of the airport and home within a hour or so, Manchester can't offer you that.

Nearly everyone I know who goes to an airport be it Blackpool or Manchester uses a taxi for convenience, and they average £80 return from where I live. With that mentality I can't see them being bothered about a tenner.
howard I am totaly with you that in the long term, BLK have to promote themselves for what they are, in the meantime we have to cough up the tenner and give BB a chance - or like you, use another airport.

One quick point before beddy-byes, the biggest drawback with flying, apart from the obvs cancellations/delays, is getting back to your own airport, then spending 1hr+ at immigration/baggage etc.

It is WORTH £10 - damn it, MORE!! - of anybody's money if you could get off the aircraft and out of the airport within half-an-hour.

So - an idea for ALL airports....scrap ADF's, and replace it with an out-within-half-hour pledge. As you leave the aircraft, the steward gives you a card with the time on, you give him a tenner.
If you are not through customs/baggage within half-an-hour, you get your tenner back from a desk landside.

Hows that? Airports speed up (it's in their interest), we get home quicker, and everyone's happy.

Job done. Are you reading, Blackpool Airport? Come in...Blackpool Airport....

YES, ATTN you, DAVID KERSHAW, I sign the cheques for the tarmac(not?!).

attn Egerton flYER
i Doesnt matter how many thousands turn up, they've got plenty of parking spaces and an overspill car park that is a secret. the lasdy told me so when i rang up

attn everyone- this is getting so boring - u either agree or disagree and will pay or not. can some computer geek not start a poll and we can just vote and then come in DAVID KERSHAW can see some figures -thats what top business people like to see, even probably DK.

instead, lets talk about , POP POP POP MUSIC, POP POP POP MUSIC, RADIO VIDEO, BOGEY IN A SUITCASE
sing along now folks

Airport to expand car park as demand soars - Blackpool Today

numbers at last.

Let us indeed start a campaign for Mr K to once again HONOUR us with his presence. Hey, Mr K, you can have my tenner JUST for your Points Of View....!!!!!

Looking forward to hearing from you.


S

Posted by Ernest Lancs
Pricing comparison between LS flights from Blackpool and Manchester to the same destination and on the same dates vary considerably depending on the date you actually make the booking.

As previously posted I booked flights in February for return travel to Murcia in September.
The price from Blackpool for 5 adults was £649.24 + £50 ADF = £699.24 whilst the cost from Manchester was £554.96, the difference being £144.28

In this case the ADF swayed me from 'worth considering' to 'no-brainer' no matter what mode of transport is used to get to the airport, but it may have been different if the booking was made on a different day. So I still await my first flight from Blackpool since the days of Silver City Airways and may have to wait quite some time as unfortunately the destinations that I travel most frequently to, are not available from Blackpool as yet.

With the ADF and free parking there will be people who will gain and there will be people who will not, when all factors have been considered.

There you go howard h, need any more proof?:ok:

Oh...and demand is up as I said last week!:ok:

From the article posted by dada

She then goes on to say :

According to the CAA, the passenger figures for Blackpool was in 2008 was 439,200. So assuming Ryanair passengers accounted for 200,000, this would leave 239,200 non-Ryanair passengers.
Now, if the forecast for 2009 is 30% less than 2008, we can expect 307,440 passengers this year and all of them non-Ryanair, an increase of 68,240.

My question to any Blackpool statistician is .... Is an increase of 68,240 (5,700 per month) non-Ryanair passengers realistic, to achieve the forecast 30% reduction for the full year.

If it is, then I feel Blackpool will have performed very well.

Another point to consider here following TSR2's post.

If Ryanair accounted for half of Blackpool traffic: Aer Arann have taken over the Dublin route.

I don't know the difference between pax numbers for the Ryanair Dublin/Girona routes.

But when calculating the numbers for 2009, only the pax from the missing Girona route will be making a difference.