d.j.powell
ihave used dsa and lba many times,and lba is not a second rate airport. an. |
Originally Posted by davidjpowell
(Post 11461716)
It is what it is. There was an early version of the announcement with an ugly worded statement that DMBC would be the leaseholder. I'm sure they have something different in place to make it worth the effort of going back to market.
As for LBA. Who cares. It's a second rate airport which is even harder to get to than Manchester. What will be will be. We just have to wait and see if anyone is biting. Agree though, it rests on whether anyone credible will make any serious approach to a lease/sub-lease, but you cannot ignore the factors of growth at LBA and neither will any interested party who may or may not be interested in joining the Council in their endeavours. There has to be market support, the airlines/freight companies in this case are key stakeholders who will have to have some level of interest before anyone will seriously consider investing anything into the venture, regardless of how many people say they’d fly from there if there were ‘flights to the right places’. |
I notice various Facebook groups and MP Nick with his selfie stick are celebrating that LBA ACP has been rejected. They would be best placed to actually look a bit deeper into this and they might realise that this was initially applied for in 2021 and is not the ACP request of 2022 on the back of DSA airspace closure.
Also, it has not been rejected in principle. LBA have been invited to reapply once they have satisfied the criteria outlined in the initial rejection, mainly full stakeholder consultation and design proposals. One rejected today ACP 2021-066 Ongoing proposal tagged on to DSA airspace closure (to take a segment of DSA airspace) ACP 2022-082. From my understanding the original proposal from 2021 concerns certain aspects of Class-G which can lead to high workload descent profiles onto RWY32 compounded by a lack of STAR procedure, and this is separate from the other proposal to take a segment of DSA CAT. The proposal is built purely to enhance safety of all airspace users, not to undermine any business case that may or may not be in the making. |
I noticed a thread last night where Lord Chadwick calling everything fiction.
it looks more to me like a man out of his depth. It appears when he doesn't understand he just calls it boll@#$$. I am not sure whether the airport contractor thing looks true or not but it looks genuine. |
I'm trying to access the most recent post, apparently from RobinRed, but it's not showing.
Now it is! |
Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 11465050)
I'm trying to access the most recent post, apparently from RobinRed, but it's not showing.
Now it is! |
Originally Posted by Big Tudor
(Post 11465058)
Think it is a ‘feature’ of this type of bulletin board. Had a few occasions where front page indicated a new post or posts were available, only for them not to be visible when opening the thread. Not sure if it may be connected with new users and their posts requiring some sort of approval from moderators before they appear?
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Yes new members are on post approvals. I think it is til a certain number of posts have been reached to make sure that it isn't a fake/ spam account.
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Originally Posted by RobinRed
(Post 11464824)
I noticed a thread last night where Lord Chadwick calling everything fiction.
it looks more to me like a man out of his depth. It appears when he doesn't understand he just calls it boll@#$$. I am not sure whether the airport contractor thing looks true or not but it looks genuine. Supposedly interested parties already been approached in Middle East, South of France and U.K., although that sounds like the same ones mentioned in November last year. |
Airspace Update - The CAA have uploaded their assessment of the request to call in to Secretary of State regarding the ACP to remove CTA from DSA.
https://airspacechange.caa.co.uk/doc.../download/5865 This document confirms that none of the call in criteria has been met, and though the report has been sent to SofS for final decision, it looks like the CAA will be pushing ahead with closure proposals regardless - outcome to be determined but I would expect they will take on board LBA proposals to retain the northern segments. |
Was always going to happen. Another nail in the coffin. Maybe it can all be forgotten about now.
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The disciples will not let that happen
The CAA has always said that it's not a difficult task to reinstate the airspace if it reopens. How true that is I have no idea. |
Originally Posted by davidjpowell
(Post 11466328)
The disciples will not let that happen
The CAA has always said that it's not a difficult task to reinstate the airspace if it reopens. How true that is I have no idea. |
I believe that Sywell must re-submit an ACP for the previously approved RNP approaches. This is due to no AFIS for a two year period I am told? Seems very heavy handed. I get new staff would need to be trained, the approaches flight checked and any new ground obstructions noted. Full ACP required though.
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Staff, systems, equipment everything has been removed so how long would that take and cost to replace.
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
(Post 11468766)
Staff, systems, equipment everything has been removed so how long would that take and cost to replace.
Staff is more tricky. But I dare say it won't go zero to hero but ramp up. Some people will come back, some people will have to be trained. I guess a few key positions like ATC and firefighters may be tricker than others. |
"Systems and equipment are just costs"
yes but it drives up the initial costs you have to pay long before you have any income - it's a major hurdle - and then its a sunk cost right at the start . The time value of money means it's far more important than the same sum later - it really hits the NPV calculation. |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11469147)
"Systems and equipment are just costs"
yes but it drives up the initial costs you have to pay long before you have any income - it's a major hurdle - and then its a sunk cost right at the start . The time value of money means it's far more important than the same sum later - it really hits the NPV calculation. |
I think most people on here reckon there's less than a 5% chance it will re-open TBH
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Despite all the current pallaver about leases and CPO's etc I'm struggling to see what the business case is i.e. how an airport operator makes any money. Is it the Southend approach of waiting for MAN, LBA etc to fill up and then pick up the overspill??
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