Let us study your comments line by line. You mean people coming to the UK to do tasks needed to be done in Lincolnshire as 1/. Most of the population there are either too old to work the fields 2/. Not wanting to work in the **** conditions offered by the Tory gang masters 3/. Have too many common Genes that one finds if you have spent some time in that county that puts year by year RTA death rates on trunk road signs. 34 last year and 37 this. WIZZ sodded off as their business in the area was chopped off by the Gams. Lots of Gams lost their jobs. Lesson learned.

Diff Tail Shim - It is most disappointing to note that your counter-argument to my post comes in the form of deplorable racist hate speech. Use of the 'G' word in the context you deploy it is every bit as racist as dropping the 'N' word, and for exactly the same reasons. I'm sure that Lincolnshire farmers will be surprised to learn that they are "Tory gang masters" offering "**** conditions" too.

It is apparent that you are a person driven by hatred and intolerance rather than rational thought processes. You have blown what little credibility you had.

DSA struggled for the reasons I summarised in post 848. I see no reason to engage with you further.

People I know there have lost their jobs. You lack of common sense is obvious. Airport has gone. I worked there iin the RAF as well. One of the best places in the mob. But you never did. Rotten pork smell.

The airport is closed because there was no strong business model for opening in the first place. Consistent profits were never returned and any ROI just wasn't there. The brutal truth is that the totality of the whole DSA passenger operation has been effortlessly absorbed by nearby airports without as much as a ripple. DSA had no USP, no differentiator. There needed to be a critical mass to stand any chance of being consistently profitable, they never got it. See also Southend and possibly Teesside, both of which are IMHO, similar.
Heartbreaking from one standpoint, but unless you openly operate as public service, that's how it works out.

Don't let Ben Houcin hear you say that. Southend was also extremely busy before COVID. And Brexit. I happened to be on an AOG there and it was rammed before the effects of both and the latter. I am an aviation professional btw. Not a spotter.

Southend drove volume deals with both easyJet and Ryanair which drove short term unsustainable throughput. When the intro deal runs out, the locos relocate the fleet to somewhere with a better deal, SEN never managed to lock them in with a deal that the airport would do well out of. Again, if Southend stopped all passenger ops tomorrow, the totality of the operation would easily be handled by Stansted and others. Like Manston before it, it adds nothing that's net new, it really just cannibalises competitors.

But I know what you mean, it's a crying shame, very painful for local jobs and businesses. Very sad.

I think it was built for the low-cost model following the success of Liverpool. Don’t think they banked on Leeds changing their strategy. What is telling is that since DSA opened, Ryanair opened a base at LBA and EMA, Jet2 opened a base at EMA and continued expansion from LBA, easyJet tried something a couple of times at DSA (they don’t operate anything this part of the world between LTN and NCL!) but that didn’t work out for whatever reason. Contrary to popular opinion they have tried to get Jet2 and KLM on board by offering financial incentives to do so but they have remained ambivalent at best.

I do think it could be a success, but it would have to be at the cost of LBA and to an extent EMA. Be interesting to see how these talks conclude. Heard some fantastical rumours about who the bidder(s) is/are and what their influence is and plans are. Believe it when I see it though.

I’m seeing all the same comments that have been raised previously

Do we ‘Need’ DSA? - No there are alternatives, but similarly do we need a Morrisons popping up next to a Tesco - No, but they do because they are tapping into a market.
Can DSA be viable commercially - Yes but only with the right management and 15-20 based Airframes and let’s face it they would need to be bucket and spade operators, and Wizz
Are TUI going to base 15-20 Airframes - No, so DSA would have to try pull in Easy Holidays, Jet2, Ryanair & Wizz
Would that cannibalise the market - Yes but which market?, that depends who bases, TUI & Easy would pull the Yorkshire traffic currently travelling over the Pennines using MAN (they can afford to lose 3m pax), Jet2 would run the risk of closing LBA, Ryanair would hit numbers at MAN, LBA, EMA, BHX, NCL, LPL, Wizz would just return with previous routes.
There is opportunity for a successful facility at DSA, get the right products, in the right volume, at the right price, with the right timings/frequency and the passengers will welcome the opportunity to use the award winning airport. Despite being on a fringe, it’s very accessible and convenient, unlike LBA. Look at the support on social media.

How do you get to 15-20 airframes against established incumbents? What would new DSA do that old DSA didn't? How much would need to be spent to accommodate 15-20 based a/c?

and then look at the support for all the flights attempted over the years. They'll melt away as soon as they can get a cheaper flight somewhere else.

That post assumes that this hasn’t already been tried. When you say ‘right management’ what do you believe they would do differently to the wrong management?

The fundamental problem is lack of demand combined with an already highly competitive operating environment. So if you can’t attract airlines away from the competitors then the only way you can make a success of it financially is to scale back on the ambitions and push for small, sustainable growth, with the ultimate outcome being reduced service levels.

Your supermarket analogy is a poor one.

There are official meeting notes (I will try and find them - they are online) which states Peel turned down a low cost carrier (other than Wizz) who wanted to base last year. Also, the comments from alot of people who worked in cargo saying Peel regularly turned away business is alarming.

We have all heard the stories, and I am also aware that a business decision was taken to turn away some business over the last couple of years.

DSA is not the only airport that has turned away business, do your minutes show why they decided to turn away said low-cost airline? Could it be that they were requesting subsidies to do so at a time when Wizzair U.K. had already agreed to expand there, thus causing concern of saturating an already delicate market?

The previous suggestion from G-FORZ is similar, that airlines should cannibalise their own market.. We wouldn’t have many airlines around if they employed that sort of business model.

May have been part of the deal with Wizz for them to open a base

Reading between the lines of the current social medial post from the mayor, a compulsory purchase order is the only hope now. And there is zero chance of it being successful IMO.

Not necessarily, perhaps just an update due to nothing new to report. Doubt there will be an announcement to a negative whilst Peel are under an apparent legal obligation to keep the airport operational. Not sure how they have managed to secure a Judicial Review into a private company, the statement from Ros Jones isn’t clear that they have.

what council is going to go out and try and buy an airport in the current financial situation? their voters would turf them out

Never underestimate the electoral power of the prospect of cheap holidays - ask Ben Houchen...

According to the local MP negotiations are still ongoing, and Doncaster Council are at High Court week commencing 28th.

Not dead yet.

What are the are the grounds on which they are contesting?

Assuming Peel lose, it's going to take a lot of time, energy and money to get DSA back to 1 million pax per year