Three ACMI A321s are going to be based at LGW, probably from the usual Latvian/Lithuanian suspects.

Subject to change, of course.

hdsfarrar

Does it specifically say A321 or are you going by the seat plan? Could it be that the 737-Max10 has been loaded into the system? The seating is probably similar 220-230 passengers I’m guessing?

It's an ACMI A321.

G-TUMA B737-8 MAX has been at BRU since 7th November, showing as "De-Registration" in progress on CAA G-INFO site; presumably off to Sweden/Germany/Belgium?

Yeah, it specifically says A321-220 in the TUI app, presumably A321, 220pax. as the B738, shows as B738-189

A321 routes - see this Tweet from theaeronetwork on 30-Nov - it has an image from GCMap.com showing all the routes.
I'm on a mobile device and can't see if the link appears or not, so apologies if it's truncated

BOHEuropean

Airframe back at Gatwick doing flt BY782 to SID today.

Is there any difference on the TUI App between a 738 and a MAX8? So, if I am seeing 738-189 as type, does that denote one, the other or both?

Thanks

Interesting article on a ‘close shave’ for TUI in September…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...sengers-lives/

Paywalled.

The horse's mouth

https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib...737-8k5-g-fdzf

P330

Both have 189 seats, and the app can show both the normal 738 and the MAX, however it isnt reliable. I've had flights show as 738-189 and be operated by a MAX and vise versa. Hope this helps

Thankyou. 👍

what app are you using ?
I find it so frustrating that all other airlines show A/C type but for some reason TUI’s flights never show they type of aircraft.
and don’t get me started on the lack of seats allocation at time of booking.

The TUI app....

daz211

A far cry from the Thomson days when the BY 767 flights were clearly marked in the Brochures with a * !!

I remember that! One of my first flights was supposed to be a 732 and imagine delight when the old style sticker seating map for a 762 was displayed at check-in.

I cam remember ringing Brittania ops in Luton to ask if the 762 was operating the route to Tenerife..The conversation was very helpful and they confirmed it for me....how times change...That was in 1986 mind
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Not sure if anyone can help with this is confusing, I noticed 2 of Tui`s Boeing 767 ( G-OBYG & G-OBYH ) Currently in St Athan OBYG EOL and OBYH freighter
conversion but am i right in thinking all 4 UK based 767`s are supposed to be retired by end of December 2021. I have also heard that 2x Boeing 767`s G`OBYF
& G`OBYK are having cabin refits? if that is the case then am i right in thinking these 2 will stay for another couple of years?

there is problems with the 787’s so maybe

G-OBYF is parked up at MAN, I saw it when I departed on Friday. G-OBYK I believe is in China for maintenance. It briefly left the UK to Scandinavia then went onto China. If they are getting re-fits it would be interesting to see if they are used again for long haul if it’s to cover for 787 issues. They have been used only on short/mid haul flights in all economy since the 787’s arrived a few years back!

What are the 787 issues?

Are these delivery delays due to the Boeing pause or problems with existing inventory?

I think the only problem with the TUI 787s is lack of work currently!

787's
 

Are you sure about that?

BHX-Cancun Friday was delayed 24 hours as no aircraft available. I assume the one at Luton and one that has been at Gatwick a while are on maintenance, it seems they have all been busy over the last few days between the UK & Scandinavia bases plus DHL tonight (789 just gone BHX-EMA and another due MAN-EMA).I suppose you could say not busy on pax flights but they do seem to be fairly busy considering the cruise work is nowhere near what it was.

Pete

The 787s are flat out at the moment. Not helped by the -9 which was transferred to the Swedish AOC being taken out by a catering truck in Scandinavia.

G-OBYF is operating a MAN/TFS service today and has just departed MAN

G-OBYK has departed TPE as TOM988P and seems to have landed in the UAE.
Edit : Routing was TPE-DWC-MAN and is due home tonight.

looks like a swathe of TUI cancellations pending…

Why?



filler

With current news, new restrictions and demand falling off a cliff I cannot fathom why this might be the case…

What evidence do you have of "demand falling off a cliff"? Gatwick has just had it's busiest (in terms of flights and departing passenger numbers) Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday since February 2020, despite "current news" and "new restrictions". Even busier than a fairly restriction free October half term. Red list aside, long haul loads have been barely affected by any changes recently.

But how is that specifically relevant to TUI? Aside from Morocco, Goa and a few ski flights, some of which are being re-routed, TUI are operating to more or less everywhere they would be at this time of year.

The issue is collapse in the last few days and inevitably of new restrictions here and elsewhere. Clearly Christmas travel is strong and largely will have been booked in advance. You then go on to say yourself…mostly a normal schedule apart from the places closed to us, which on Tui’s part is a substantial element of the ski programme and part of the big Spanish market due to the unvaccinated not being able to waltz in anymore.

Its harder to see with TUI most other Airlines allow you to see the seat plan for flights without booking and you can get a feel for passenger loads. I’m flying out to ACE from MAN in January but I’m not holding my breath, I can see my seat plan for both sectors and it’s not looking good at all, when I got to the date I could book my seats on the Aircraft I counted 107 booked seats on my outbound and 124 on my return but looking over the past week that has dropped to around 50 and 80 respectively.
im not saying this is only a TUI issue as I know people are changing their plans and postponing their holidays until later in the year.

Which new restrictions? The only country that’s imposed new restrictions on travel is France, and we all know that’s nothing to do with Covid. Additional testing hits the short break market but has little to no impact on long haul or ski/Lapland, and the loads across all airlines reflect that. The removal of the red list takes away any nervousness attached to long haul.

Not saying it’s ideal, but not predicting “swathes of cancellations” and particularly not specifically for TUI.

I'm wondering if Crystal Ski, TUI's ski arm, might have significantly reduced loads for passengers flying to French and Andorran ski resorts - will TUI be tempted to consolidate some flights ?

The fact that the UK doesn't have a red list doesn't stop other countries putting the UK on their red list, and this will discourage people booking holidays which may not happen.

And which countries have done that in the past week or so, apart from France?

Andorra flights are being changed to Barcelona. Loads to French resorts will be reduced to zero because they’re not allowed in. The benefit of the package holiday though is that they can change to a destination that is letting them in fairly painlessly.

Israel for one.

Well known for its Ski resorts.