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azz767 6th Dec 2021 13:36


Originally Posted by gaz2021 (Post 11151715)
Not sure if anyone can help with this is confusing, I noticed 2 of Tui`s Boeing 767 ( G-OBYG & G-OBYH ) Currently in St Athan OBYG EOL and OBYH freighter
conversion but am i right in thinking all 4 UK based 767`s are supposed to be retired by end of December 2021. I have also heard that 2x Boeing 767`s G`OBYF
& G`OBYK are having cabin refits? if that is the case then am i right in thinking these 2 will stay for another couple of years?

G-OBYF is parked up at MAN, I saw it when I departed on Friday. G-OBYK I believe is in China for maintenance. It briefly left the UK to Scandinavia then went onto China. If they are getting re-fits it would be interesting to see if they are used again for long haul if it’s to cover for 787 issues. They have been used only on short/mid haul flights in all economy since the 787’s arrived a few years back!

P330 6th Dec 2021 13:40

What are the 787 issues?

Are these delivery delays due to the Boeing pause or problems with existing inventory?

pabely 6th Dec 2021 19:11

I think the only problem with the TUI 787s is lack of work currently!

OltonPete 6th Dec 2021 22:49

787's
 

Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11152331)
I think the only problem with the TUI 787s is lack of work currently!

Are you sure about that?

BHX-Cancun Friday was delayed 24 hours as no aircraft available. I assume the one at Luton and one that has been at Gatwick a while are on maintenance, it seems they have all been busy over the last few days between the UK & Scandinavia bases plus DHL tonight (789 just gone BHX-EMA and another due MAN-EMA).I suppose you could say not busy on pax flights but they do seem to be fairly busy considering the cruise work is nowhere near what it was.

Pete

H44 7th Dec 2021 07:42

The 787s are flat out at the moment. Not helped by the -9 which was transferred to the Swedish AOC being taken out by a catering truck in Scandinavia.

chaps1954 7th Dec 2021 08:16

G-OBYF is operating a MAN/TFS service today and has just departed MAN


Skipness One Foxtrot 11th Dec 2021 00:44

G-OBYK has departed TPE as TOM988P and seems to have landed in the UAE.
Edit : Routing was TPE-DWC-MAN and is due home tonight.

VickersVicount 17th Dec 2021 17:31

looks like a swathe of TUI cancellations pending…

Vokes55 17th Dec 2021 21:59


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 11157484)
looks like a swathe of TUI cancellations pending…

Why?



filler

AirportPlanner1 18th Dec 2021 07:12


Originally Posted by Vokes55 (Post 11157566)
Why?



filler

With current news, new restrictions and demand falling off a cliff I cannot fathom why this might be the case…

Vokes55 18th Dec 2021 08:01

What evidence do you have of "demand falling off a cliff"? Gatwick has just had it's busiest (in terms of flights and departing passenger numbers) Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday since February 2020, despite "current news" and "new restrictions". Even busier than a fairly restriction free October half term. Red list aside, long haul loads have been barely affected by any changes recently.

But how is that specifically relevant to TUI? Aside from Morocco, Goa and a few ski flights, some of which are being re-routed, TUI are operating to more or less everywhere they would be at this time of year.

AirportPlanner1 18th Dec 2021 10:29

The issue is collapse in the last few days and inevitably of new restrictions here and elsewhere. Clearly Christmas travel is strong and largely will have been booked in advance. You then go on to say yourself…mostly a normal schedule apart from the places closed to us, which on Tui’s part is a substantial element of the ski programme and part of the big Spanish market due to the unvaccinated not being able to waltz in anymore.

daz211 18th Dec 2021 10:39

Its harder to see with TUI most other Airlines allow you to see the seat plan for flights without booking and you can get a feel for passenger loads. I’m flying out to ACE from MAN in January but I’m not holding my breath, I can see my seat plan for both sectors and it’s not looking good at all, when I got to the date I could book my seats on the Aircraft I counted 107 booked seats on my outbound and 124 on my return but looking over the past week that has dropped to around 50 and 80 respectively.
im not saying this is only a TUI issue as I know people are changing their plans and postponing their holidays until later in the year.

Vokes55 18th Dec 2021 10:50


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11157744)
The issue is collapse in the last few days and inevitably of new restrictions here and elsewhere. Clearly Christmas travel is strong and largely will have been booked in advance. You then go on to say yourself…mostly a normal schedule apart from the places closed to us, which on Tui’s part is a substantial element of the ski programme and part of the big Spanish market due to the unvaccinated not being able to waltz in anymore.

Which new restrictions? The only country that’s imposed new restrictions on travel is France, and we all know that’s nothing to do with Covid. Additional testing hits the short break market but has little to no impact on long haul or ski/Lapland, and the loads across all airlines reflect that. The removal of the red list takes away any nervousness attached to long haul.

Not saying it’s ideal, but not predicting “swathes of cancellations” and particularly not specifically for TUI.

davidjohnson6 18th Dec 2021 11:07

I'm wondering if Crystal Ski, TUI's ski arm, might have significantly reduced loads for passengers flying to French and Andorran ski resorts - will TUI be tempted to consolidate some flights ?

inOban 18th Dec 2021 11:15

The fact that the UK doesn't have a red list doesn't stop other countries putting the UK on their red list, and this will discourage people booking holidays which may not happen.

Vokes55 18th Dec 2021 11:24


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 11157766)
The fact that the UK doesn't have a red list doesn't stop other countries putting the UK on their red list, and this will discourage people booking holidays which may not happen.

And which countries have done that in the past week or so, apart from France?

Vokes55 18th Dec 2021 11:26


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11157764)
I'm wondering if Crystal Ski, TUI's ski arm, might have significantly reduced loads for passengers flying to French and Andorran ski resorts - will TUI be tempted to consolidate some flights ?

Andorra flights are being changed to Barcelona. Loads to French resorts will be reduced to zero because they’re not allowed in. The benefit of the package holiday though is that they can change to a destination that is letting them in fairly painlessly.

ATNotts 18th Dec 2021 11:58


Originally Posted by Vokes55 (Post 11157774)
And which countries have done that in the past week or so, apart from France?

Israel for one.

The Flying Stool 18th Dec 2021 13:24


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11157784)
Israel for one.

Well known for its Ski resorts.


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