Loganair take over MME from Eastern and connect to ABZ from 27th March 2022, x 6 weekly

Stands
 

Guys, as always the answer is in the masterplan. Link below. See pages 36-37. An indication of possible stand layout. Of course the previous master plan had larger stands planned for the big parcel the airport own to the north east, but it seems they now want to waste that land on yet more big haulage sheds with miniscule low skilled employment.

I did wonder at the time why the airport did not include the stands and the northern taxiway link in with the runway extension planning but I assume the airport want to do it in stages. I guess adding planning for big stands to the runway extension would not have been a good idea as the ecomentalists would have used it as proof that the extension is just about bigger aircraft. Of course they used that argument anyway but if true I guess there is some logic in the airport avoiding linking the two.

https://www.southamptonairport.com/m...ble-growth.pdf

Salzburg
 

What happened to Stewyb? Lol

BA adding Salzburg from SOU from December to April. Good that they are continuing to add routes.

More detail here.

https://mediacentre.britishairways.c...ns-this-winter

I'm not sure it has been reported here, but Cityflyer will be opting to Belfast City this winter? That would account for the Saltsburg originating from Southampton.

No, BACF won’t be flying from Southampton to Belfast. The aircraft will operate the following pattern:

Friday:

EDI-SOU

Saturday:

SOU-CMF
CMF-SOU
SOU-SZG
SZG-SOU

Sunday:

SOU-CMF
CMF-SOU
SOU-EDI

Are you saying that BACF will be operating SOU-BHD this winter? I haven't heard anything to suggest that and haven't seen it mentioned on here or anywhere else.
My understanding is that an E190 will be operating EDI-SOU, SOU-CMF-SOU-SZG-SOU, SOU-CMF-SOU-EDI as a weekend's flying from Friday evening to Sunday afternoon.

Buster the Bear

No it hasn’t been reported because it’s not happening , think you have been misinformed

Departures
 

Anyone know why nearly all departures are from 02 now? Been like that for a few months now when traditionally the majority would be from 20.

Wind direction, longer TORA, keeping neighbours happy?

The latter maybe but then they are meant to go against the wind direction. I can’t imagine the wind direction has permanently changed so that 02 sees the bulk of the departures now. I remember reading a while ago that 20 saw about 80% of the annual departures but I would say it has completely flipped the last few months. All very strange.

You'd be surprised.Sounds like the most likely reason to me.

No pilot is going to take off with any significant tailwind!
also the TODA for 02 is much greater the 20,so with the wind less then 5 knots or northly 02 gives a few plusses for Pilot's

Nothing more than the prevailing wind direction favouring use of RWY 02.

RNAV 02
 

TCAS FAN
I believe that LPV approaches to all UK airports are now stopped directly because of brexit,given Southampton has RNAV to 02,surely this limits the minima on approaches,and it seems VOR approaches are back on the agenda,a retrograde step I fear

The prevailing wind is still Southwesterly, however the wind for the last few weeks has been mostly East or Northeast hence 02 in use.
As soon as the autumn weather arrives they will be back on 20. Looking at the forecast I think it will be 20 by the weekend.
Bournemouth has been on 08 most of the last month with 26 is in use sometimes, including today.

RW20

The lower approach minima has accordingly gone due to not being able to use LPV, but LNAV/VNAV or LNAV minima should still be applicable albeit it is around 100 FT higher.

The VOR/DME approach is now only a short term option due to the planned withdrawal by NATS of the VOR/DME.

Eastern updates
 

Few changes from Eastern.

- Gibraltar to end on 11/10, probably not all that surprising as loads have not been brilliant and most more popular med destinations are open again
- Belfast has increased to 10 weekly, with the second morning flight operating via Cardiff on Mon, Thurs, Fri and Sun
- Southampton to Cardiff is bookable on the above days as well
- Dublin has increased from 4 to 6 weekly (ex. Sat) and is now an afternoon flight
- Manchester has increased from 4 to 6 weekly (ex. Sat) and is now an evening flight
- The above now means that both ATR72's are needed at some times of the day - progress is slow but at least there is some!
- Leeds Bradford has increased from 4 to 9 weekly (ex Sat, 2x Tues-Thurs)

Hopefully they can operate this more useful schedule with less short term cancellations than have been seen over the past few months, as I have seen some very frustrated reviews on social media and indeed here from where people have been caught out.

Maybe you can confirm but looks like NQY operating on several days during Dec/Jan!?

Eastern has SOU - NQY scheduled on nine days between 17 Dec and 3 Jan, arising from combination of the usually separate LBA to SOU and LBA to NQY routes, across the Xmas/New Year holiday period.

Did some at T3 used to work for DANAIR Metropolitan of the 1980s. A bit bonkers the schedule but good to see the BHD twice a day of sorts.

All this is further encouraging news,but with things opening up for 2022,I feel the airport could be left in the side lines with the restricted runway length.
With fuel costs spiralling the need for larger economic aircraft becomes a necessity,With no further news on the runway extension and forthcoming legal challenge,things look challenging for the airport management.

This morning, Sat 9th Oct, is the reality.... a little fog in the area. Up above the aeroplanes fly in frustrating circles.... unable to land. Bournemouth traffic is unaffected because of the superior landing aids/approach lighting systems/runway length. Do you really think an extra couple of metres of runway will make a difference? Time for a reality check. Remember Air Berlin!

Granted Bournemouth (on 26) has lower minima compared to SOU, but the operators also need to be approved for CAT 2 / CAT 3 approaches. Does Eastern, Aurigny, Blue Islands, Loganair, City Flyer etc have CAT2 approval? None maybe except City Flyer would have CAT3 (and then i very much doubt they do) so the comparison between SOU and BOH is irrelevant in this instance. The extension will only benefit, maybe it will attract new operators but the reality is the CURRENT operators will benefit the most, a constant trend on this thread is that the runway extension will bring in all these new operators, forgetting the current users who lets be realistic have certainly helped (as much as they could) the airport throughout the toughest time aviation has seen.

Bournemouth and Southampton are two very different airports that can / do operate together well. Bournemouth has a lot of ancillary business, with Cargo, Draken, GAMA, JETS etc and a primarily leisure focused scheduled airline network. Southampton is a primarily business / commuting airport, with only a very small 'other' type operations such as Jetworks. The airport also has the benefit of the lifeline routes to the channel islands and is the primary link for the channel islands air ambulances. Southampton is Southampton and Bournemouth is Bournemouth, neither will ever be the other and why should they?

In the blue corner.... in the red corner...

wanna

Your assertion is incorrect. At least one of the operators you have listed is equipped, trained and approved for CAT II.

Cityflyer’s entire fleet was Cat 3 autoland capable. With the “new” aircraft from China being Cat 2 man land only and the 170s leaving, the Cat 3 ratio approaches 50%. (Although in my experience not sure I’ve ever done a Cat 3 approach where I wouldn’t have got in with Cat 2 minima.)

The Loganair Embraers are Cat II and the ATRs are expected to be any day now.

Am I right in thinking SOU will never be any more than CAT1 because of runway width?

The future of course is not ILS, RNAV is already beneficial to Southampton.

The EMB 145 might need up to an additional 15% of runway in low visibility as it might need to use reduced flap settings, and bear in mind that RW20 has a displaced threshold.... which the proposed runway extension will not affect. Previous comments reflect a good common sense attitude.

Which your original post clearly did not. SOU may not have the perfect instrumentation set up but i'm sure it will cope just fine with any future opportunities that present themselves!

L1011effoh

It was actually a question, im not to familiar with the ins and outs of the airlines listed. I would imagine City Flyer is CAT2 but the others... id be surprised.

I'm actually pro Southampton big time. N88ZL Boeing 707 got in and out OK regularly, but the weather is not always kind, such as the Fokker 100 that slid off the end of RW20. Recent movements suggest the E135/145/170/190 types are ideal. Occasional A319/320 seem to be no problem but I would question the reliance on that size of aircraft for regular and frequent schedules. The Dash 8 still ticks all my boxes.

hmm think you will find N88ZL used hurn. There has never been a 707 in Southampton. The replacement BBJ VP-BZL visited once as far as I can remember.

SORRY.... AGED MEMORY FAILURE.. apologies.

SKOJB

That is correct.

SOU will only be CAT 1,and with a very high 20 RVR of 800 mtrs or more for landing ,it must be the worst regional airport for poor visability operations.
additional to this 02 minimal has been raised again to about 500 feet due to the RNAV withdrawn of LPV approaches.
Not the best of aids for any airline to consider with the runway extension in the future pipeline.

SKOJB

IMHO no, contrary to that posted at 597 the reason for the current, and possible future, operation at CAT 1 is due to the lack of a full (ie 900 metre) approach lighting system on RWY 20 together with obstacles in the final approach area. The presence of the latter will preclude significant lowering of the Descision Height (ie the point at which a missed approach must be initiated) therefore it is not financially viable to extend the approach light system to faciltate adoption of something better than CAT 1.RVR minima.

The issue of runway width is only applicable for Code 1 & 2 precision runways which requires a minimum width of 30 metres (ref ICAO Annex 14) which SOU already has if it were applicable,

Has anyone any update of Aurigny having EVS (Enhanced Vision Systems) fitted to their ATRs? This was apparently being done to counter a similar approach minima problem at Guernsey and could accordingly be applied at SOU to enable a less than CAT 1 minima to be used.

How often is the airport closed due to poor visibility? How many flights a year are affected??

if it's a low number there is no point in investing when there are a lot of alternatives relatively close by