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Albert Hall 16th Apr 2021 22:18

Unless easyJet has done a deal with another airline yet to be announced, they do not have slots at LHR. They are certainly holding none right now.

And with bases in Palma, Faro, Malaga and Alicante, they could serve Southampton if they wanted to. No W patterns would be needed. It’s exactly the same as the new services at Birmingham where the only remotely complicated routing is that to Corfu.

TCAS FAN 24th Apr 2021 09:14

RW20

It would appear that we are now down to the final two hurdles, firstly waiting for the S of S to determine if the application is to be called in and secondly EBC to complete a new Section 106 Agreement to lock in the environmental mitigations that the airport offered/council requires..

https://www.eastleigh.gov.uk/plannin...ng-application

stewyb 24th Apr 2021 09:45

Confident that if the Section 106 is robust and mitigates many of the environmental concerns, it will be passed back to EBC to rubber stamp!

RW20 24th Apr 2021 16:10

TCAS FAN

it looks like a long way to go before any concrete is laid.On a separate note has there been any improvements on take off obstacles on 20 're Marhill copse?

TCAS FAN 24th Apr 2021 17:01

See posts 419-421, unfortunately a non-event.

Expressflight 25th Apr 2021 07:42

In recent history have any 20 departures taken advantage of the 15 degree starboard slew which was implemented many years ago to mitigate the tree problem?

TCAS FAN 25th Apr 2021 08:53

Expressflight

"In recent history have any 20 departures taken advantage of the 15 degree starboard slew which was implemented many years ago to mitigate the tree problem?"

Just about every departure. The runway 20 Noise Preferential Route (NPR) provides for it.

The NPR must be flown by all turbo-jet aircraft and those with a MTOW 5700 KG or greater.

The problem was, and may still be, that for some aircraft when calculating take-off weight the height of one or more trees in/adjacent to Marhill Copse was too high/close to the end of the runway to allow for a 15 degree turn to be taken in to account. in order to afford the much better obstacle environment.

Once the runway extension is complete (all doubters on this thread please note my positivity) as the start of take-off run will be farther away from the trees it may be sufficient to take full advantage of the 15 degree turn option.

SKOJB 29th Apr 2021 23:27

Seems TUI has cancelled its summer flight program to PMI, still some ‘holidays only’ bookable using BACF schedules

uptoncol 30th Apr 2021 04:54

Where have you got that information from ?
August 7th flights onwards ,which I’m on that flight ,looks like they have just consolidated just to BACF ,as I was originally scheduled on Volotea.

SKOJB 30th Apr 2021 06:45

looking at TUI website, you can no longer book flight only for the whole summer

uptoncol 30th Apr 2021 10:17

oh right I’m on a package holiday ,may be different.

BAladdy 1st May 2021 21:56

Loganair have over the last couple of days removed from sale there 3 x Weekly service to IOM

stewyb 11th May 2021 15:23

BA added Chambery and Edinburgh for winter season!

BOHEuropean 11th May 2021 15:56

Fantastic to see a Winter Ski flight come back to Southampton, flight programme as follows:

BA2939 EDI-SOU 20:00-21:30 FRIDAY
BA2935 SOU-CMF 07:15-09:55 SATURDAY
BA2936 CMF-SOU 10:45-11:25 SATURDAY
BA2935 SOU-CMF 07:15-09:55 SUNDAY
BA2936 CMF-SOU 10:45-11:25 SUNDAY
BA2900 SOU-EDI 12:15-13:40 SUNDAY

stewyb 11th May 2021 16:08

Also a Sat pm slot up for grabs, wonder where to?

adfly 11th May 2021 17:04

I would personally bet on Alicante or Malaga - can't see them trying Geneva against easyJet. Maybe a small chance of something like Innsbruck/Grenoble/Salzburg/Turin if there is demand for it and a tour operator interested?

Also, I thought the airport was open from 7:30am on Sunday's? They might struggle to make that 7:15am departure...

TCAS FAN 11th May 2021 18:25

If its only one flight per week should be possible if the 10 out of hours provision per month is still in place within the current Section 106 agreement.

adfly 23rd May 2021 20:45

S21 Latest updates
 
The cuts haven't stopped yet, but overall at least traffic is starting to build up again. The Dublin and Manchester and accompanying base start dates for Blue Islands have been delayed for what I believe is the 5th time, and are now due to start exactly a year after they were originally planned to! I've left the BA flights other than Faro off as they are likely highly subject to change depending on where countries fall on the Govt's colour lottery every 3 weeks... As it stands every other destination has a start date beyond 19th June.

As of today Southampton has the following operating:

Aurigny

Guernsey - 5 weekly AT7 (Mon-Fri)

Blue Islands

Jersey - 9 weekly AT7 (2x Mon and Fri)

Eastern

Belfast City - 4 weekly AT7
Manchester - 4 weekly AT7

Loganair

Edinburgh - 9 weekly ER4 (Thurs-Mon 2x except 1x on Sat)
Glasgow - 8 weekly ER4 (Thurs-Mon 2x except 1x on Sat and Sun)
Newcastle - 5 weekly ER4 (Thurs-Mon)

24/05

Eastern start Gibraltar - 2 weekly E70 (changes to E90 early June)

29/05

BA start Faro - 2 weekly E90

31/05

Aurigny increase Guernsey to 7 weekly
Eastern increase Belfast City to 5 weekly
Eastern increase Manchester to 5 weekly
Loganair increase Edinburgh to 11 weekly
Loganair increase Glasgow to 11 weekly
Loganair increase Newcastle to 9 weekly

06/06

Loganair increase Newcastle to 10 weekly

18/06

Eastern resume Teesside - 5 weekly J41

21/06

Blue Islands increase Jersey to 14 weekly (there are some extra flights prior to this on a few dates from 28/05, but no consistent schedule increase)
Eastern resume Leeds Bradford - 5 weekly J41
Loganair increase Edinburgh to 13 weekly
Loganair increase Glasgow to 13 weekly
Loganair increase Newcastle to 13 weekly

25/06

Eastern start Dublin - 4 weekly AT7

28/06

Eastern increase Belfast City to 6 weekly
KLM resume Amsterdam - 7 weekly E75

01/07

Aurigny resume Alderney - 14 weekly D28
Aurigny increase Guernsey to 14 weekly
Blue Islands resume Guernsey - 12 weekly AT7

05/07

Eastern increase Manchester to 11 weekly
Loganair increase Newcastle to 16 weekly

22/07

Eastern start Rennes - 3 weekly AT7

23/07

Eastern start Nantes - 3 weekly AT7

26/07

Loganair increase Edinburgh to 25 weekly
Loganair increase Glasgow to 24 weekly
Loganair increase Newcastle to 18 weekly

02/08

Blue Islands increase Jersey to 20 weekly

31/08

Blue Islands start Dublin - 7 weekly AT7
Blue Islands start Manchester - 19 weekly AT7

03/09

Blue Islands increase Jersey to 23 weekly

06/09

Eastern increase Belfast City to 11 weekly
Eastern increase Leeds Bradford to 10 weekly

The Nutts Mutts 23rd May 2021 21:21

Thanks for such a comprehensive update Adfly, I'm always appreciative of your input on this thread.
There's been some noise on Twitter and some chat on the Cardiff thread that Eastern might be about to announce a Jersey route from SOU. If that happens I'm assuming it'll be something to do with their Aurigny codeshare and potentially a way to encourage through traffic from their other SOU routes.

shetlander 24th May 2021 21:44

Isn’t there an Aberdeen to Soton route?

The Nutts Mutts 25th May 2021 13:05

Not a direct one at the moment, but you can fly ABZ-NCL-SOU with Loganair (if I remember correctly you can stay on the aircraft at NCL).

SKOJB 28th May 2021 14:42

BA commence operations tomorrow. Why is there one flight departing to Faro yet two arriving? Thanks

BAladdy 28th May 2021 19:08

The aircraft operates:

Saturday

BA8481 LCY 07:45 FAO 10:50
BA2930 FAO 11:35 SOU 14:20
BA2927 SOU 15:10 FAO 18:10
BA2928 FAO 19:00 SOU 21:45

Sunday

BA2927 SOU 07:40 FAO 10:40
BA8480 FAO 11:25 LCY 14:15

G-LCYM is currently planned to operate.

rog747 29th May 2021 14:52

BAladdy - Do you have the first SOU-JMK-SOU dates yet please?

BAladdy 29th May 2021 19:42

Believe it is currently planned to start from SOU on 20th June.

TCAS FAN 1st Jun 2021 15:31

Does anyone have any information on the outbound loads on the recently started GIB flights?

stewyb 1st Jun 2021 15:34

29, 52, 34

TCAS FAN 1st Jun 2021 16:18

Many thanks.

BHX5DME 1st Jun 2021 16:24

BHX are better than those

RW20 2nd Jun 2021 13:45

With these low figures it won't be long before this route disappears.

MARKEYD 2nd Jun 2021 17:33

No it won’t I am afraid
Quite reasonable figures for the start of the season and a new route

RA85684 2nd Jun 2021 19:25

Considering 52 pax makes a 68% load factor on the E170, and having been one of those 52 I know there were in fact 63 booked, an even better 83% load factor, the route is doing remarkably well and with £75+ fares, I wouldn't be too worried about the future of this route.

Eastern's new buy on board will most likely be making a valuable contribution as well, from what I saw everyone bought something and between 2 of us we spent £42 on the flight in booze and food. If that's representative of the average holidaymaker I think Eastern have made a good little move with these routes. Even the inaugural GIB-BHX had 20 onboard and the inaugural BHX-GIB was full. If I was Eastern I'd be very quickly thinking about what other GIB routes could be capitalised on while it's one of the few green list places available. I'd be looking towards BHD, NCL and LBA.

GayFriendly 3rd Jun 2021 07:19

Going on the fares being charged, BHX-GIB must be selling very well which is no surprise seeing as it's a green list route and was previously served by Monarch who also did well on the route.

Can't find any return flights for less than £200 from BHX going all the way through to end of Sept.

I'm sure the route will also do very well from both airports, I have to admit I was sceptical when it was announced but the green list status for Gibraltar couldn't have given Eastern a better start!

shamrock7seal 3rd Jun 2021 10:01

I'm not surprised the SOU-GIB route would do well - it's been a long time coming; but I am surprised that Eastern is making it work. In my opinion this route would be even more popular if it was operated by BA Cityflyer or even easyJet. Eastern doesn't have huge reach and is constrained by budgets they can't spend a fortune on marketing etc etc... If it doesn't end up working for them in particular i'm pretty sure it would be picked up by BA in the future.

davidjohnson6 3rd Jun 2021 10:11

In normal times when the choice of countries to which one can travel is large.... would SOU-GIB really be that popular ? If places like France were open without quarantine, then some of the people travelling to GIB might look elsewhere. If it were possible to fly direct to Malaga, that might remove the need/temptation to use Gibraltar as a backdoor to Spain

We have a highly artificial travel environment right now... it's not realistic to make any kind of predictions about the SOU-GIB route for 2022

Alteagod 3rd Jun 2021 11:30

Well said. I would think the same of some of the UK domestic connections as well. Very much of the now but long term maybe not as much

Albert Hall 3rd Jun 2021 11:43

That might be based on what they're charging rather than how many seats they've sold though. I cannot imagine that the economics of flying an E170 or 190 would work at £64.99 anyway on a sector like this, so the fact that there aren't any fares of that nature about might reflect that they never put them on sale to start with, not that they've sold out.

The Nutts Mutts 3rd Jun 2021 16:57

Eastleigh Borough Council have formally issued planning permission for the runway starter strip after the negotiations on the Section 106 agreement between the council and airport were completed. This would appear to indicate that the opposing groups' attempts to have the application called in by the Government have been unsuccessful. Here's hoping that construction work commences soon.

Rivet Joint 3rd Jun 2021 18:18

Thanks for the update. Fingers crossed they get spades in the ground ASAP.

TCAS FAN 4th Jun 2021 07:15

Hopefully this winter in order to minimise the impact on flights due to the temporary reduction of declared distances during construction, caused by excavations in the current runway strip end the reduction/non availabilty of a RESA at the north end of the runway. With careful planning and execution, including some night work, the impact could be minimal.


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