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highwideandugly 23rd Apr 2023 16:26

Loads more holding traffic over the ‘premier’ north east airport due no ATC…is this acceptable?

Send them to Teesside…no issues there!

SWBKCB 23rd Apr 2023 16:29

Is that because there are more flights in the hold than scheduled into MME today?

Due to staff sickness - seems somebody else is feeling a bit green as well!

N707ZS 23rd Apr 2023 16:36

Short of parking at Teesside.

highwideandugly 23rd Apr 2023 17:27

Is that because of parting out aircraft..and maintenance?

pabely 23rd Apr 2023 17:43


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11424760)
Is that because there are more flights in the hold than scheduled into MME today?

Due to staff sickness - seems somebody else is feeling a bit green as well!

Probably went to the football earlier and still partying!

highwideandugly 23rd Apr 2023 19:52

Seriously though..an airport with potential 5 million passengers…having to hold aircraft to land ..because of lack of ATS staff? Am I missing something here?

Great planning guys!

SWBKCB 23rd Apr 2023 20:10

As I mentioned earlier, staff sickness.

Doesn't seem to be putting airlines off - TUI the latest to announce additional flights and an extra based a/c for next summer.

jensdad 23rd Apr 2023 23:56

Teesside / Tyneside banter aside, it is pretty poor.

Jamesair1 24th Apr 2023 07:39

There must surely be 'stand-by' ATS staff available when situations like this occur.

Asturias56 24th Apr 2023 10:08

Clearly not

Diff Tail Shim 24th Apr 2023 13:07


Originally Posted by highwideandugly (Post 11424861)
Seriously though..an airport with potential 5 million passengers…having to hold aircraft to land ..because of lack of ATS staff? Am I missing something here?

Great planning guys!

I know one of the ATS has short notice leave as of today. His wife is have their first child today. All airports have lack of ATS like all the airlines that have a shortage of pilots, cabin crew and engineers. You are missing a lot.

GrahamK 24th Apr 2023 13:09

Say if you were to employ a trained ATCO from DSA, for example, how long would it take before they could work at NCL. Obviously they would need to learn the different routings and so forth etc etc. A few months, or more? Up to a year potentially?

Diff Tail Shim 24th Apr 2023 13:10


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11425129)
Clearly not

Because it takes eons to train up replacement staff in ATC, more than Pilots. ATC is like LAEs. Not made overnight. Like pilots and LAEs, small pool of staff and wage offers are taking people away from smaller airports.

highwideandugly 28th Apr 2023 19:51

Are there any airport infrastructure plans?

Me thinks mainly apron space and southside hanger development..like Teesside?

A runway extension would be nice, as per many previous master plans..but unlikely?

SWBKCB 28th Apr 2023 20:09

No - apron space demand not yet back to the previous peak, no space southside for any 'industrial' development. Can't see a business case for a runway extension.

Jamesair1 28th Apr 2023 21:02

They might need more apron space with two more based aircraft next year TUI/Jet 2 and we don't know the Ryanair plans for S24.

Diff Tail Shim 28th Apr 2023 23:23


Originally Posted by highwideandugly (Post 11427278)
Are there any airport infrastructure plans?

Me thinks mainly apron space and southside hanger development..like Teesside?

A runway extension would be nice, as per many previous master plans..but unlikely?

You have never been airside bar as a passenger have you?

highwideandugly 29th Apr 2023 07:41

Airside Bar
 

Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim (Post 11427345)
You have never been airside bar as a passenger have you?

Is that a good or bad experience?

ash666 29th Apr 2023 07:44


Originally Posted by highwideandugly (Post 11427429)
Is that a good or bad experience?

Free bucket and spade with every pint.

ash666 30th Apr 2023 05:32

I'm looking at flights for mid-August and the normal KLM 9.30am hop to AMS says, "Operated by German Airways".
Never seen that before. Anyone know anything about them?
Even a codeshare would normally say KLM.


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