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Dannyboy39 30th Sep 2020 07:38


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10895069)
That may or may not be true. As yet there is no conclusive evidence either way. Please don't confuse opinion with fact.

We don't like experts in the UK - we'd rather trust the opinion of a right wing white van man down the pub...

Walnut 30th Sep 2020 07:56

Reality. I urge people to look at page 10-11 of the Sunday Times dated 27/9

isís headlined ď Breakdown of U.K. Pandemic Statistics in DotsĒ

Each dot represents 10,000 people of the 6700 red dots which represent the U.K. population only 4 are needed in black to represent the Covid deaths

Makes you realise the whole lockdown measures are pointless and weíve should move to the Swedish model soonest

southside bobby 30th Sep 2020 16:30

Moving away from all the armchair epidemiologists here for a moment & reflecting more the thread header...

As a direct result of the impact of COVID-19 on the aviation world the preferred bidder for Prestwick Airport has walked away from the deal.




Jonty 30th Sep 2020 16:34


Originally Posted by anothertyke (Post 10895041)
Same kind of actuarial model used by the insurance industry worldwide. It's not exactly rocket science. Please accept the average is not a few months.

and yet it appears your figures are misleading.

https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-137

SWBKCB 30th Sep 2020 16:55

A rare aviation related post from SSB. If you want to talk COVID stats, you'll find plenty of like minded individuals in Jet Blast

Jonty 30th Sep 2020 16:57


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10895715)
A rare aviation related post from SSB. If you want to talk COVID stats, you'll find plenty of like minded individuals in Jet Blast


yes, probably time to move on.

davidjohnson6 30th Sep 2020 22:28

Anyone entering Germany from either Wales or Northern Ireland must now follow 2 weeks quarantine on arrival in Germany
If cases continue to rise, I imagine there will be further cases of Brits not being welcome abroad, and demand for air travel declining

LTNman 1st Oct 2020 04:29


Originally Posted by guy_incognito (Post 10894969)
The way things are going with this government's beyond incompetent handling of this whole fiasco, there isn't going to be any tax revenue to pay for people to be treated anyway because nobody is going to be employed.



Maybe a sign that the country is just starting to get the latest spike under control with a hint of a drop in the R numbers
Covid-19: Growth in cases may be slowing in England https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54366478
.

I follow Dr John Campbell’s daily updates on Youtube daily. He is respected and everything he says is linked to clear data, research papers from around the world and scientific studies.. He talks about things governments don’t seem to mention.

This is his latest report as a sampler. (Today’s link).

LTNman 1st Oct 2020 08:00

Wizz are still complaining that they are being prevented from basing 20 aircraft at Gatwick. A sigh of relief from Luton? https://simpleflying.com/wizz-air-slot-waiver-nonsense/


Wizz could put 20 aircraft at Gatwick tomorrow


Gurnard 1st Oct 2020 08:13


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10895975)
Of course the population have nothing to do with the current situation of rising cases as they have all stopped partying and are all follow the quarantine rules including when they return from their holidays from designated quarantine areas. I can fully understand why this happens as we all just want a normal life.

Maybe a sign that the country is just starting to get the latest spike under control with a hint of a drop in the R numbers
Covid-19: Growth in cases may be slowing in England https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54366478
.

I follow Dr John Campbellís daily updates on Youtube daily. He is respected and everything he says is linked to clear data, research papers from around the world and scientific studies.. He talks about things governments donít seem to mention.

This is his latest report as a sampler. https://youtu.be/tauuYG8qpyc

A balanced assessment from Dr John Campbell. Thanks for sharing.

southside bobby 1st Oct 2020 08:56

Meanwhile back in our world...
Stobart Air state is operating below the expectations set out in June hurt by Ireland`s stringent Q rules which have limited flying it also says sales sales talk continuing with multiple parties.
Overall Stobart continues it`s stance of giving no forward guidance on its finances due to the uncertainty wrought by the pandemic.



ATNotts 1st Oct 2020 09:11


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10895893)
Anyone entering Germany from either Wales or Northern Ireland must now follow 2 weeks quarantine on arrival in Germany
If cases continue to rise, I imagine there will be further cases of Brits not being welcome abroad, and demand for air travel declining

But somewhat surprisingly, not from any regions of England. I am amazed the at least Northwest England hasn't been placed on the naughty step by the Robert Koch Institute, since they have fingered individual cities and areas in other European countries. I can't see it being long before they do, which will make things even more difficult for people trying to travel and more importantly do business with Germany.

I read in the German media last week that the travel and tourism industry is talking about an existential threat to it's existence unless travel restrictions are removed for next summer, and that's even with the large chunk of federal support given to the sector by the government in Berlin. I really do fear for the short to medium term future of people working in travel at the moment. When I returned from Germany last weekend on Eurotunnel, the terminal in Cocquelle was pretty well deserted, and even with only 2 trains per hours to UK, our train was barely half full of vehicles. That is not sustainable for any long period of time; Saturday, at almost any time of year is usually heaving with traffic.

southside bobby 1st Oct 2020 10:01

Italy...Greece...Sweden...Poland...?...today.

ATNotts 1st Oct 2020 10:05


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10896141)
Italy...Greece...Sweden...Poland...?...today.

I think Sweden may get away with it, Italy too, since whilst their trend is upwards, like Germany it's not a sudden meteoric rise. Greece must be a candidate, and I agree, also possibly Poland. That naughty step will need expanding if all these countries are to "maintain social distancing"!

Mr Mac 1st Oct 2020 11:19

ATNotts
I have already had the conversation with my H&S people in Germany as I live in the UK in West Yorkshire when here, and we are currently in special measures (Like double secret probation as in the Film Animal House ! - showing my age ;)). I was supposed to be in Germany again this week, but decided after discussion to stay here until next week. Had to cancel my Flu jab in Germany, and still can not get one here as Boots are saying only for over 65 or essential workers. I class as the later in Germany, but not here apparently. Anyway as you point out UK will need a bigger step soon, but also we maybe on one or two other peoples steps as well. In Munich there was no Oktoberfest (Wiesen) this year which helped keep infection rates down I guess. This was only the second time it has been cancelled, the last time being Wall Street Crash and run on the Mark that followed. I was surprised to find it occurred on a small scale in 1945 when much of the city as in ruins, they like their Beer but not this year, that Covid has a lot to answer for say my staff !!

Cheers
Mr Mac

ATNotts 1st Oct 2020 16:26

Poland and Turkey have joined the quarantine list, Greece escapes for another week.

Another blow for the IT industry, even though the season only has 4 weeks to run.

MANFAN 1st Oct 2020 19:31


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10895893)
Anyone entering Germany from either Wales or Northern Ireland must now follow 2 weeks quarantine on arrival in Germany
If cases continue to rise, I imagine there will be further cases of Brits not being welcome abroad, and demand for air travel declining

Arrivals from Wales and N.Ireland have to have a test on arrival, if negative itís not required to quarantine.

guy_incognito 1st Oct 2020 20:08


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10895069)
That may or may not be true. As yet there is no conclusive evidence either way. Please don't confuse opinion with fact.

Iím not confused at all. Iíve read the same articles that are available to anyone whoís prepared to do a bit of research.

From the mainstream media:

Covid: Vaccine will 'not return life to normal in spring' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54371559

scr1 2nd Oct 2020 05:32

For arrivals in Scotland Turkey Poland and some Caribbean Island now have to quarantine for 14 days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54370530

DaveReidUK 2nd Oct 2020 06:34


Originally Posted by guy_incognito (Post 10896468)
I’m not confused at all. I’ve read the same articles that are available to anyone who’s prepared to do a bit of research.

From the mainstream media:

Covid: Vaccine will 'not return life to normal in spring' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54371559

You've just posted a link to an article that includes the statement:

"The researchers warn the issue of long-term immunity will still take some time to answer, and we still do not know if people need vaccinating every couple of years or if one shot will do".

And yet you're complaining about my use of "as yet there is no conclusive evidence either way".

I rest my case.


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