No I'd not forgotten, but science and scientific opinion evolves, if it didn't then we'd still be sitting here believing the sun rotates the earth, and that you can cure virtually any illness with leaches. People are entitled to their own opinions for sure, but whether that extends to peddling lies at demos in Berlin and London, and making patently false claims about vaccination, 5G causing Covid-19 and the like and the like I really am not so sure. I'm not suggesting anyone posting here is doing any of that, you can be sure. Nobody here is that stupid / devious.

Up to a point.

Is this the same Sweden that that couldn't give a monkeys for the lock-down,it's funny old game!

I am anti mask and feel it is way way too late. However when flying it was a requirement and I wore one, despite not believing in the voodoo science behind it. I changed masks when got on second leg of journey as found it just not good enough for 2nd leg.

They went their own way and have less deaths per 1 million people than UK.

Scotland have now imposed a quarantine (14-day) on arrivals from Greece.

Indeed they have,the question though arises that if the infection rate is 33 per 100000 in West Dumbartonshire,Glasgow 20.7 per 100000 which is a lot more than Greece,so therefore it must follow that everyone in these area's must quarantine for 14 days.I believe though someone sneezed on the LGZA to EGPF that has triggered this new round of insanity.

Scotland has put Greece on the Q list as a result of track and trace, not just the pure numbers. The system identified returning travellers from Greece as a major source of covid. On the beeb this morning.

Given the reputation for partying that some resorts on some of the islands has I don't imagine this is too surprising. Look at the news story last week - The Man. U football captain. Didn't see too much social distancing going on in the footage that was shown on the news.

Only just but neither country has anything to shout about.

The son of a friend (in his mid 30s) went on holiday to Malta with his partner. They returned to 14 days quarantine and that lasted three days before they went off on another holiday to Cornwall. No doubt if he had received a call on his mobile checking he was maintaining quarantine he would have lied and I doubt the location of a mobile can be traced without a warrant.

So is this a rant against the irresponsibility of his generation? No, although the fact that many are irresponsible in this context is well established, it's to illustrate that 14 days quarantine simply doesn't achieve its aim and should be replaced by a test upon arrival back in UK and another test, say, five days later. If both are negative normal life could be resumed. There would certainly be much more likelihood of adherence to 5 days quarantine than 14 days.

Think Wales have done the right thing with just doing the red zone for Zante,with islands like the Canaries ,Madeira ,they can be done separately from their mainland areas
if Boris and others had done this through the summer, the travel industry might have been in a better state and more people would not have had this quarantine,which it seems is being ignored by many .

Expressflight:
The idea is great but I imagine the travelling public will have to pay for these tests in order to avoid the 14 day quarantine period. They will also have to isolate for the 5 days between the tests.
Based on your example (& no doubt countless others like it) can you see people paying for two tests where potentially the cost is greater than the airline ticket?
Or will they just chance it?

https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/...e-warns-tanzer
The ABTA chief Execs comments on the practicalities of airport testing aren't overly helpful (I know he is being realistic but you would think he might be on the side of promoting the industry) and it appears the travel industry might have a long winter ahead.

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Would they have to pay for the tests? It's obviously in the Government's power not to charge and if not charging produces a better outcome in terms of reducing the spread of infection that should be the way ahead.

Ideally the government would not charge, but testing would be mandatory, no ifs, no buts, no excuses, no exceptions. However watching "Hancock's Half Hour" this morning, and reading between the lines, I don't actually believe there is sufficient lab capacity in the UK's "world beating" (not) testing system to accommodate all the tests. Germany has found this to be the case and is dropping the testing on arrival from what I read last week.

No doubt they could get some form of bulk discount and has already been noted, there are testing stations at many UK airports. However, there is always a cost at some stage - if not direct at source (the customer) then we all pay through general taxation in some form.
So here's a thought - why not add another £50 or so to APD. People who want to fly pay without the rest of the population picking up the tab. Limited means to avoid it and so likely to get better take up of the test.

I think it would be an understatement to say that it would not be popular idea with the airlines or airports who rightly see APD as a deterrent to flying and is already one of the highest in the world.

Sweden has already been mentioned as a candidate for the UK to permit travel. I'm wondering if Bulgaria and Serbia might also be under consideration as well

Serbia I can see could be in with a shot,but looking at the trend I doubt Bulgaria would be removed from the quarantine list until the end of this month, which essentially is the end of the summer season on the Black Sea.

Police have been knocking on the doors of hundreds of travellers who have failed to comply with quarantine rules

You have to ask just how stupid some of these people are. There would appear to have been multiple attempts to contact them which have come up dry, and only then to the police come knocking. Surely if you were minded to ride your luck, once you'd had a couple of calls and presumably not responded you'd think your luck had probably run out, and start quarantining as you should have been in the first place.

I don't agree this quarantine thing is a particularly smart policy, but again, it's the law, not optional and if the law is flouted, to a point where the police have to become involved then a fine should be the logical result - in every instance. It's hardly fair on those who do comply with the rules for those that can't be bothered to get away with a slapped wrist and suffer no penalty.