Considering they can barely fly anywhere else, would it be the worst decision in the world for an airline live Virgin reacting to this decision to put on a few 787s down to TFS / ACE to meet some pent up demand?
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10909233)
and you don’t want to take a vaccine for a couple of years.
Are you suggesting that people should be just lined up and a vaccine injected and maybe some chips installed so govt can read who has it. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10909757)
Who thinks the Canaries will go back on to the naughty list once infectious Brits start to arrive.
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Originally Posted by inOban
(Post 10909268)
If you're using estimates of the number of people who have had Covid19, then you must use estimates of the number of deaths, and that number in many developing countries is several times the number of confirmed Covid19 deaths. Even in the USA the number of excess deaths is, I think I read today, at least 50% higher than the number of confirmed deaths.
I went for another test this week because of a secondary risk, site offered me a test within 10 minutes of the time I was logged on at i,e 10-10.30 and had a couple of hundred available tests that day. |
Originally Posted by Yeehaw22
(Post 10909797)
LTNman do you ever post anything with any positive vibes anymore? The travel industry needs every crumb it can get at present without all the negativity. How long will it last? Who knows, some of the Greek Islands have managed it fine for the past few months, some haven't.
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Originally Posted by Yeehaw22
(Post 10909797)
LTNman do you ever post anything with any positive vibes anymore? The travel industry needs every crumb it can get at present without all the negativity. How long will it last? Who knows, some of the Greek Islands have managed it fine for the past few months, some haven't.
I struggle to think of an alternate path to freedom at the moment. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10909821)
I will be in the queue to do my bit to save aviation when a vaccine is released unlike some here who won’t do a thing apart from complain.
I struggle to think of an alternate path to freedom at the moment. |
In LTNman's defence, many on here wish the aviation industry well. As someone who has contributed positively to these forums for many years, LTNman should not have to prove his motivations on a continual basis or chant slogans praising all things flying related. A somewhat dark humour attempt based on past experience should be taken the way it was intended - as humour
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 10909832)
In LTNman's defence, many on here wish the aviation industry well. As someone who has contributed positively to these forums for many years, LTNman should not have to prove his motivations on a continual basis or chant slogans praising all things flying related. A somewhat dark humour attempt based on past experience should be taken the way it was intended - as humour
I know teenagers who view every day as "Free School Lottery" day on basis they may get to school and get told to go home and isolate. |
How are young people going to react when they are told they are not going to be given a vaccine and thus the last ones to travel.
I presume there will be no private options available. |
Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
(Post 10909873)
How are young people going to react when they are told they are not going to be given a vaccine and thus the last ones to travel.
I presume there will be no private options available. |
Dannyboy
I think you will find there are many private options available when a proven vaccine is available. What the market rate will be I am not sure, but Yellow fever inoculations or indeed just the paperwork to say you had been inoculated (true or false) used to (may still do) command a good market rate in Africa where it was required to enter some states. Cheers Mr Mac |
Originally Posted by Mr Mac
(Post 10910162)
Dannyboy
I think you will find there are many private options available when a proven vaccine is available. What the market rate will be I am not sure, but Yellow fever inoculations or indeed just the paperwork to say you had been inoculated (true or false) used to (may still do) command a good market rate in Africa where it was required to enter some states. Cheers Mr Mac Availability and cost is going to be the $64,000 question. Will some drug companies / private care providers be charging the cost of the holy grail to get it? And will there be people camping outside the front doors waiting to get it - hence why there is a priority list. |
Dannyboy
Depends on the pharmaceutical industry and to a degree govts as is not the case that this would be looked as a case of for the greater good. I am not sure if I were the boss of a large Pharma company that I would be that eager to charge the earth for something which as you say may have to be administered to much of the worlds population. If they did, the first AGM with share holders present would need serious protection ;) Cheers Mr Mac |
Drug firms desire maximum profit, subject to not taking on too much political risk, and will charge different prices dependent on the wealth of each country.
Countries may require that drug firms divert most vaccine doses to public sector hospitals... with only a bit left over for the private sector. A person in Switzerland will likely be willing and able to pay a higher price than a person in Somalia. I suspect that many of the wealthier people in the world (ie anyone earning more than maybe £50k per year) and large corporations will pay handsomely to be able to show a vaccine certificate without waiting 6 months while the pensioners are processed There is a high correlation between a country's wealth and its propensity to buy air tickets. The aviation industry will likely be content to let economics to run its course |
Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
(Post 10909873)
How are young people going to react when they are told they are not going to be given a vaccine and thus the last ones to travel.
The idea is that with the vaccine in place, the overall infection rates will drop to the point that it's safe to reopen society normally. However that takes time and I would expect a number of restrictions still in place long after the vaccine is out. Right not younger / healthier people who could safely face the risk of catching the virus are being penalised with heavy restrictions like the rest of society, while they could happily go about their business, Getting a vaccine is not going to be a golden ticket for the person who gets it, it's a benefit to the whole society. Right now people who have just recovered and have the highest number of antibodies are not being given special concessions, so why should vaccinated people? |
The IOM-GCI air-bridge (mentioned yesterday) has been suspended with new coronavirus cases arising in Guernsey where the Chief Minister has stated:-
'There's going to be no opening of our borders, there's no going to be no relaxation of our controls, we are dealing with the situation which has cropped up in the last few days in the usual efficient manner.' |
The one good thing that has come out regarding Covid 19, one's personal hygiene should have improved greatly, maybe a benefit for future air travel.
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Originally Posted by oldart
(Post 10910717)
The one good thing that has come out regarding Covid 19, one's personal hygiene should have improved greatly, maybe a benefit for future air travel.
A serious point though is who tests and cerifies all the Alcohol gels ? |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54648684
Since there are some on this thread who don't understand why this virus is much more serious than the similar ones which cause the common cold, or the flu virus, I found the link above interesting. |
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