https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

Believe the science is the mantra, the vaccine is safe because we told you so

But seems even the science of testing doesn't quite cut the mustard. Wonder is there a real secondary agenda ?

I don't demand rights, I have them already, I seek not to have them removed.

Business is quite free to turn away my business, just as anybody is quite free to ignore that business and use their economic power elsewhere.

Such as? the constant veiled suggestions make you sound like one of the 'tinfoil hat' brigade...

Pfizer vaccine approved in UK. NHS state ready to start vaccination program next week.

Like the right not to wear a mask in enclosed public spaces for the common good? Who could see that coming last Christmas.

Racedo et al...

...your views here are becoming seriously out of order in a world/national pandemic emergency but even more so now with the first vaccine with now regulatory approval (thank goodness) & being rolled out from today.

Although being all for free speech could you just give it up dear chap,,,all now know your "whack job" views.

All here on an aviation forum are throughly decent people who need the best for themselves their industry & their families.

You seriously live up & perform to your location = no longer welcome status.

To be totally honest I am surprised the "nut jobs" here have been allowed to continue this far.

The posts have no relation to the header anyway.

One would hope that your comments have not influenced any readers who may be harmed by you.

The ".... " are not my words but quotes from national TV presentations this morning by the way which of course may well coincide with my own....perhaps...(disclaimer)

Cheers...

You actually think masks work? It's all part of the theatre of Covid and a outward expression of state control over the individual's thoughts and fears. Let's put it this way, if you can smell a fart through a face mask (which you can) then it's not going to stop a virus. I laugh at those people shuffling through the streets like North Koreans, wearing a mask outside in the fresh air. I pity them too - they must be suffering some kind of mental health breakdown behind those masks. Think of masks as some kind of security blanket that some toddlers carry around and you're close to a decent analogy for face masks. These are not the people that are going to be getting back on aeroplanes any time soon.

There is no proof that masks work - at all - however there is plenty of proof that they don't work..... think about all the people that contract CV-19 in hospitals (when they are in there for other illnesses) and care homes where everyone is masked, visored and plastic aproned up to the eyeballs. If all this worked, no-one in any of these institutions would get it - sadly these are the very places where people are most likely to get it.
I say this with two members of my immediate family working on the front-line of the NHS, who have told me this.
For that laughing boy Hancock to say that the Pfizer vaccine is ready to roll out - that is a lie. My wife would literally be involved in giving these vaccines. When she saw Hancock say this on Breakfast news this morning she said 'that's news to us - we've heard nothing' Go figure. But then hasn't the government lied its way through all of this?

Here's an idiot's guide that answers that question, for those who can't understand the difference between a sulphur dioxide molecule and an exhaled droplet: If Masks Work, Why Can I Smell Farts?

Clue: If masks were able to stop gas molecules, wearing one would stop you breathing. :ugh:

Oh dear. The evidence is quite clear. Countries where mask wearing is universal have very little transmission. That's all you need to know.

Of course they don't stop 'fart gasses' . They're gasses! Just like the normal components of the air.
They do stop all but the smallest droplets, which is how the virus is spread.

I will concede on this point which was actually made light-heartedly. Please answer this rather more serious point which is held by some that work in the NHS: [/QUOTE] Clue: If masks were able to stop gas molecules, wearing one would stop you breathing. :ugh:[/QUOTE] Frankly that's just being silly as well as patronizing and passive aggressive - people breathe from the sides and over the top of masks which is why people's glasses fog up.... and I think you know that....
I have watched this thread for some time and it seems to me suspicious that certain posters such as LTNMan and InOban always seem to be online, never really seem to comment about aviation much, are obsessed with CV-19 and always respond in a very specific way that is highly pro-government and always seem to have some supporting 'evidence' to hand..... odd. I am certain they are not posting on this site for any aviation related purpose or interest.
It's a shame that those who share one point of view are not willing to listen to the legitimate views of others - believing blindly in their own views, concocting insulting names for those who have other ideas or views. What a sad sad world we live in. Blind faith in the state, intolerance, opposition to the party line is slammed down, the media is not allowed to challenge etc etc - never ends well.

And since this is supposed to be a debate about the impact on aviation - it seems likely that people will not be allowed to enter many countries without a vaccination cert (rather like Yellow Fever certs in some countries already). With up to a third of people saying they don't want a vaccination, this is going to suppress foreign travel for many many years to come. This reality is probably why the government has decided not to 'save' the aviation sector.

What b*llocks. Both LTNMan and InOban are long standing members of this forum (well before Covid) and have been making aviation related posts for years. Have a proper look at their posting history - LTNMan is (not surprisingly) a major contributor on the Luton thread, having provided massive detail on developments there for years.

Are all yr comments this well researched?

I will admit to being interested in transport in general rather than only in flying.
I hold degrees in biochemistry and molecular biology and have a profound allergy to twaddle.
I loathe this corrupt government.
That help?

I wanted a holiday in Spain in 1978, if I didn't have a yellow fever vaccine, I couldn't go on holiday. It didn't matter which government was in power, I didn't question the reasons why I required the vaccine. How times have changed, people now say it's their Human Rights to do as they please and ignore government advice. If people need to fly abroad then it's right they should have proof of having a Covid vaccine, I am sure the country they were flying to would think so as well.

To many people think their right to say and do what they like is more important than other people's right to life.

For my grandparent's generation they had to temporally give up or have restricted many freedoms yet they did it for the grater good of the country.

Flu kills tens of thousands world wide every year, yet we don’t mandate a Flu vaccine as a condition of travel so why should C19 be any different?

I know it won’t make the slightest difference to your views but listen from the 12 minute mark and educate yourself regarding a study by America’s CDC

I assume in that case you are strongly anti-Brexit and wish to see it reversed, as that is removing rights we already have (right to live or work in 27 other nations, right to stay +90 days etc). I say this because in real-life acquaintances of mine and on social media opponents of restrictions are also overwhelmingly supporters of Brexit. So an inherent incompatibility and contradiction in the general argument. That’s not to say you are a supporter of Brexit, and my own position isn’t relevant, but that is a statement of near-fact.

The other angle is your right to travel being removed if you refuse a vaccine. Again with nod to Brexit, with evidence of vaccine likely being a requirement of third party sovereign nations to enter, UK residents (except perhaps those of NI and Scotland) are in absolutely no position to make complaint given the “take back control” and “sovereignty” rhetoric of the last five years.

Does anyone really believe that nations where tourism plays an important part of their economy will restrict entry to others once they are satisfied that their own citizens are protected from the virus? It would take just one player such as Spain not to require vaccination or quarantine and others would follow within days.

Does anyone really believe that airlines will do anything in 2021 to prevent or discourage travel? They just want bums on seats.

Existing evidence is yes, as per yellow fever certification cited previously.

It is out of the hands of airlines. They may not ban you themselves but just as you’ll get turned away at the gate without a passport or visa, if your destination won’t let you in you aren’t going anywhere.

Well, airlines were told passengers would have to socially distance. Did that happen?

Let me add, I accept your point on regulatory restrictions. My view is only that when rebooting devastated economies - in the view of our political masters - takes priority, I believe there will be few governments out there who will restrict travel, business or leisure.