Originally Posted by Espada III
(Post 10759282)
I have been stuck in Israel for a few weeks caring for a family member and now need to return to the UK.
Originally Posted by 22/04
(Post 10759239)
Quite a lot backpackers and gap year folk I should think.
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Unlikely to come as a great surprise, but still not fun... 12,000 staff at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52462660 |
Cruz: "We must overcome this crisis ourselves, too. There is no government bailout standing by for BA and we cannot expect the taxpayer to offset salaries indefinitely... We will see some airlines go out of business."
Stab at the competition there. But I can't help but think that the Gov might prefer to give them cash to keep these people employed. |
Originally Posted by Espada III
(Post 10759282)
I have been stuck in Israel for a few weeks caring for a family member and now need to return to the UK. I am aware of others who have been here for sound reasons but now need to return as well. There were no obvious options to do that until there was news that BA were starting daily flights to TLV from 1 May. In truth they have been flying daily anyway but presumably without passengers as the flights appear on FR24 but not on any website offering tickets.
But rumours abound that these flights will not happen and we will remain stuck here for some time. Does anyone have any information about these flights and if they will actually take off? |
No idea, but I managed to fly to Stansted yesterday on an Israir flight which was collecting Israelis to repatriate them. All cabin crew wearing full hazmat suits and masks. No more than 80 passengers with the first five rows and last four blocked off. I had a row to myself. No health checks carried out but we were required to wear masks the whole flight.
I have never seen airports so quiet. Tel Aviv was eerily empty, with two out of 80+ check in desks open. Four flights out yesterday. Arrival at Stansted was similar. Apparently only three flights yesterday. From walking into the terminal from the plane to walking out, including passport and collecting luggage was well under five minutes. |
Thoughts are with all the staff here.
Originally Posted by JSCL
(Post 10766235)
Cruz: "We must overcome this crisis ourselves, too. There is no government bailout standing by for BA and we cannot expect the taxpayer to offset salaries indefinitely... We will see some airlines go out of business."
Stab at the competition there. But I can't help but think that the Gov might prefer to give them cash to keep these people employed. |
With most airlines requiring government assistance by the end of this crisis, perhaps nationalising the lot and having one large state airline might be the cheapest way out of the crisis for the industry, with the least pain for employees.
Many European countries already have one airline that is overarching dominant in their market place (Germany and France to name two). The UK is somewhat different, with the London market being quite different to that in the rest of the nation at present. To do as I have proposed would essentially take the industry back to the 1960s, but may not be too far fetched a solution if things get really bad. |
I cannot say I am surprised with Cruz’ comments. He has had a cut throat attitude throughout his time at IAG and is part of the reason they brought him in from Vueling.
i don’t think you can blame him for this one though, taking everything at face value with the current situation, as it does seem quite a logical decision (as terrible as the loss of circa 12,000 jobs are) with BA the majority loss maker within the group and a reduce in air travel. However, I cannot say I am surprised at this. BA continue to constantly get negative press and they have had numerous issues, especially with crew strikes, and another one of their major issues is the product itself. When AC came and decided to have a major overhaul of the product this hasn’t succeeded IMO. It did bring the prices down versus what they were but a lot of the general public still see and hope that they’re purchasing a premium product when buying a ticket with BA and this isn’t the case IMO. Travelling domestic or SH is no different to EZY and their CW product still isn’t as good as some of their competitors for LH. This post isn’t a one intended to agree that BA’s actions are justified because I do wholeheartedly believe, despite the current awful pandemic we’re going through, that the majority of these job losses could and would be avoided if AC had not ruined a very good airline. i also think his statement is terribly worded - having a dig at the competition whilst also saying that they cannot rely on furlough forever. The latter to me, having being employed by BA for a number of years in the past, screams and insinuates to me that the majority of these job losses were already on the radar pre-pandemic and I’d be very surprised if there are current BA employees on this board that do not agree with this. |
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 10766877)
With most airlines requiring government assistance by the end of this crisis, perhaps nationalising the lot and having one large state airline might be the cheapest way out of the crisis for the industry, with the least pain for employees.
Many European countries already have one airline that is overarching dominant in their market place (Germany and France to name two). The UK is somewhat different, with the London market being quite different to that in the rest of the nation at present. To do as I have proposed would essentially take the industry back to the 1960s, but may not be too far fetched a solution if things get really bad. |
Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10766986)
Surely you don't want to go back to a situation where politicians run airlines, bad decisions proliferate, innovation stops, fares rise and inefficiencies abound. Because that's what nationalisation means in practice.
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10766986)
Surely you don't want to go back to a situation where politicians run airlines, bad decisions proliferate, innovation stops, fares rise and inefficiencies abound. Because that's what nationalisation means in practice.
I very much doubt the industry would go this way, for political and ideological reasons, but from an economic point of view it may be the best course of action, depending upon just how bad things get, and they have already got bad, for the employees of not just BA but many others, including SAS and Lufthansa. |
So it looks like the plan is to merge all 3 fleets to create a single fleet at LHR.
Not too sure this will go down well with Euro/Worldwide fleet and their notorious union. Mixed fleet I’m sure are happy to just go along with it, like they’ve got a choice in the matter anyway. I wouldn’t expect this to work very well onboard, each fleet having its own kind of service. |
A merger of the fleets was always going to happen at some point. Though, many who have done long-haul in the past and transferred to Eurofleet for a better work/life balance will not relish doing long-haul again.
One really big sticking point is the number of SCCMs on board and what happens to the Purser/CSD roles. |
Or hand BA T5 over to a 3rd party GHA
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What's going to happen to London City?
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Originally Posted by Nostoodian
(Post 10767551)
What's going to happen to London City?
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"Not too sure this will go down well with Euro/Worldwide fleet and their notorious union"
What they going to do? threaten to go on strike??? |
Originally Posted by Alteagod
(Post 10767490)
Or hand BA T5 over to a 3rd party GHA
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Originally Posted by RJ100
(Post 10768243)
That is what BA are planning for the ground staff at LGW, but not LHR
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Gatwick ramp came by via forming GGS as a standalone subsidiary, but the cost savings had been made in the initial outsourcing.
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