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The96er 9th Mar 2018 13:01


Any truth in BA A321LRs from other UK airports ?
All A321neoLR currently on order fro IAG are planned for Aer Lingus. If any are planned, and that's a big 'IF', they're unlikely to be under the BA brand more likely be under the 'Level' brand.

Corrosion 10th Mar 2018 08:52

Not only interiors, or exterior appearance. Been working quite long time, +30years, as mechanic/engineer and sadly noted that general condition of aircrafts is not one of 1st item on many companies list anymore.
Don´t know about BA, but saw and worked on with some other previously well respected airliners and now a days their a/c:s are just in everyday or even crap condition.
Personally still old federation engineer, sometimes really struggle with all these beancounters ideas just to do only minimum maintenance. Just worried about new generation guys whose balls are not big enough yet to say NO if something is just a crap.

Sorry off-topic, but it may be connected to this tatty interior/exterior discussion.

Planespeaking 10th Mar 2018 12:11


Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 10079076)
Not only interiors, or exterior appearance. Been working quite long time, +30years, as mechanic/engineer and sadly noted that general condition of aircrafts is not one of 1st item on many companies list anymore.
Don´t know about BA, but saw and worked on with some other previously well respected airliners and now a days their a/c:s are just in everyday or even crap condition.
Personally still old federation engineer, sometimes really struggle with all these beancounters ideas just to do only minimum maintenance. Just worried about new generation guys whose balls are not big enough yet to say NO if something is just a crap.

Sorry off-topic, but it may be connected to this tatty interior/exterior discussion.

The last time, apart from the third world, I saw aircraft as shabby as some BA airframes was PanAm just before it
went bust. Hardly an endorsement for the so called British 'flag carrier' !!

LiamNCL 19th Mar 2018 22:54

First A320 NEO G-TTNA should be joining the fleet very soon.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/821/2...ec33bfb7_o.jpg

Peter47 13th Apr 2018 14:13

What do people think of BA's plans to offer no frills long hail fares with checked baggage costing extra? The way ahead or an over-reaction to others? I think that PeopleExpress did it back in the early 80s and maybe Laker but it died out. I'm sure that PE's charges were less in real terms than the £40 BA is advocating - can anyone remember what they were?

I suppose that it makes sense for those doing long weekends in places such as New York but I can see overhead bins getting full very quickly and problems if families get split up - it already happens with LoCos.

Cazza_fly 14th Apr 2018 11:16


Originally Posted by Peter47 (Post 10117111)
What do people think of BA's plans to offer no frills long hail fares with checked baggage costing extra? The way ahead or an over-reaction to others? I think that PeopleExpress did it back in the early 80s and maybe Laker but it died out. I'm sure that PE's charges were less in real terms than the £40 BA is advocating - can anyone remember what they were?

I suppose that it makes sense for those doing long weekends in places such as New York but I can see overhead bins getting full very quickly and problems if families get split up - it already happens with LoCos.

I can see why they're offering it. It gives them a chance to potentially increase what would have been their original base fare anyway by giving the image that you're getting an additional service. It also streamlines the product from the domestic and shorthaul offering too. Don't forget these "Basic" fares still include the full service on the booked flight - so on longhaul a full complimentary bar and meal or snack service is still provided in World Traveller.

However, any encouragement to increase cabin baggage in an aircraft cabin these days is a BIG negative. People fighting for overhead locker space, slow boarding and increased delays when it eventually has to be added to the hold anyway are just some of the headaches it creates. I know the 747/777 aircraft suffer from lack of overhead locker space "down the back" on busy flights, but this will also translate into further issues on the A320 fleet as passengers transfering onto their onward connecting flights with the same "Basic" fare to/from the UK and Europe...

CabinCrewe 14th Apr 2018 17:22

6x ex TAM/LATAM 773's for BA Fact or fiction?

ETOPS 14th Apr 2018 20:53


6x ex TAM/LATAM 773's for BA
Some fact some fiction.

Previous info from BA shows 3 A model 772s leaving the fleet to be replaced by 3 77Ws. They could be from TAM or EK - other operators are available.

Willie Walsh has recently been singing the praises of the new build 77W fleet so a boost from 3 to 6 sounds feasible.

OntimeexceptACARS 16th Apr 2018 11:17

On the LGW B777 front, I flew LGW-BGI in CW last week and, whilst I expected a less than Emirates experience, I was overall pleasantly surprised by the nick of G-VIIW. Primary reason for splashing out on CW was sleeping space. One glaring error was the lack of charging for devices, either plugs or USB. CC explained that there was a socket that needed some kind of adapter, but they did not keep them onboard.

In 2018 in long haul that's got to be one of the few airlines still doing this.

AirportPlanner1 16th Apr 2018 11:44


Originally Posted by OntimeexceptACARS (Post 10120088)
In 2018 in long haul that's got to be one of the few airlines still doing this.

I flew Lufthansa late last year, curiously the old A340 had this installed whereas the A380 didn’t.

vectisman 16th Apr 2018 12:29

As more refurbished 777s come online at Gatwick the power socket issues should be resolved.

Heathrow Harry 16th Apr 2018 13:34

Amazing!

A mate tells me they're now pretty standard on BUSES in Reading............ and free

EK77WNCL 16th Apr 2018 13:55

Some of the newest Go Northeast buses have free wifi, free charging (USB and plug) and interactive table seats where you can play things like snakes and ladders via an app... Almost enough to make me want to get the bus

Plane.Silly 16th Apr 2018 15:14

And with some of the delays you hear about BA, may even be quicker too :)

Heathrow Harry 17th Apr 2018 08:18

And you can buy yr own sandwich s....

spacedog 8th May 2018 14:55

BA to commence direct service to Durban from 29th Oct
3 x weekly on a B787-8

BAladdy 23rd May 2018 07:13

BA’s 2 x Weekly service to Luanda will end 07JUN18. The final LHR-LAD will depart 07JUN18 and the final LAD-LHR will depart 09JUN18

vctenderness 23rd May 2018 08:10

Luanda was a route based on oil traffic has the money dried up?

BAladdy 23rd May 2018 08:28

W18 LHR Schedule Changes
 
BA have made the following changes to LHR W18 Schedule which is due to begin 28OCT18 over the last few weeks

New Routes

Durban - 3 x Weekly service begins 29OCT18.
Marrakech - 4 x Weekly service begins 28OCT18. Flights from LGW will continue up to 8 x weekly

Suspended Route

Palermo - Flights suspended for W18. Was originally planned to operate 2 x weekly

Frequency Increased

Barcelona - From 46 to 53 x Weekly
Berlin - From 53 to 55 x Weekly
Budapest - From 20 to 23 x Weekly
Gibraltar - From 9 to 13 x Weekly
Larnaca - From Daily to 10 x Weekly
Las Palmas - From 1 to 2 x Weekly
Lyon - From 21 to 23 x Weekly
Malaga - From 4 to 6 x Weekly
Miami - From 2 to 3 x Daily
Prague - From 27 to 34 x Weekly
Rome - From 41 to 42 x Weekly
Santiago - From 4 to 5 x Weekly
Stuttgart - From 13 x weekly to 2 x daily
Vienna - From 34 to 36 x Weekly
Washington - From 2 x Daily to 17 x Weekly
Zurich - From 42 to 44 x Weekly

Frequency Decreased

Aberdeen - From 53 to 47 x Weekly
Bilbao - From 2 to 1 x Daily
Dallas - From Daily to 6 x Weekly. 4 class 772ER replacing 747.
Frankfurt - From 46 to 45 x Weekly
Glasgow - From 60 to 58 x Weekly
Las Vegas - From 10 x Weekly to Daily
Muscat - From 5 to 4 x Weekly
Newcastle - From 41 to 34 x Weekly
Paris - From 53 to 47 x Weekly
Reykjavik- From 14 to 11 x Weekly
Stockholm - From 34 to 33 x Weekly
Warsaw - From 14 to 13 x Weekly

Terminal Changes

Warsaw - Flights will switch from T3 to T5 from 28OCT18

Hussar 54 23rd May 2018 17:58


Originally Posted by vctenderness (Post 10154505)
Luanda was a route based on oil traffic has the money dried up?


No...Not really...Our OPS in Angola are currently busier than we've ever been, and we're expecting them to get even busier as the price of crude is going to go only one way for the next 12 months or so...

I go to Luanda about five or six times per year, always AF or KL, and the flights are always stuffed to the gunnels.

I think that in BA's case, probably it's difficult to keep a business heavy ( Bosses in Business Class, rig workers in Economy class ) route profitable when it's only operating two days per week - it needs either more frequency or no frequency. The rig workers, who do roughly 6 on / 2 off don't want to be hanging around for a couple of days in Luanda before being able to set off for home, especially as Luanda is quite probably the most expensive city that I've ever stayed / worked in.

vctenderness 24th May 2018 17:32

Well originally BA thought it was an important enough route for development that they shipped a team from South Africa to upgrade the rooms in the hotel to be used by crew to an acceptable standard. This included double glazing the windows!

Sam Chipperfield 25th May 2018 08:28

British Airways also doing 4x a week extra Joburg flights with the 787-8 so on some days there will be 3x a day Joburg Flights

DaveReidUK 25th May 2018 10:09


Originally Posted by vctenderness (Post 10155892)
Well originally BA thought it was an important enough route for development that they shipped a team from South Africa to upgrade the rooms in the hotel to be used by crew to an acceptable standard. This included double glazing the windows!

Whereas on less important routes, BA doesn't care about tired pilots ... ?

Peter47 13th Jun 2018 07:13

I see that BA is dropping LHR - Calgary for the winter. I suppose that there is not much traffic during the winter months but I would have thought that it would also mean losing corporate contracts and that a route like that really needs to be served year round to be attractive to business customers. (At the same time I cannot see how Air Transat makes money on London - Toronto during the winter.)

renfrew 13th Jun 2018 07:49

The present 787 situation could well be involved.BA are very short of aircraft.
3 Qatar 330's are in use.
And there are numerous chartered aircraft on short haul.

Heathrow Harry 13th Jun 2018 08:36


Originally Posted by Peter47 (Post 10171868)
I see that BA is dropping LHR - Calgary for the winter. I suppose that there is not much traffic during the winter months but I would have thought that it would also mean losing corporate contracts and that a route like that really needs to be served year round to be attractive to business customers. (At the same time I cannot see how Air Transat makes money on London - Toronto during the winter.)

always been abit touch and go in winter. Even air canada used to alternate lhr calgary Vancouver with lhr .Edmonton Vancouver. Never understand why Alberta doesn't push the skiing more in winter

GROUNDHOG 13th Jun 2018 09:05

Flew Calgary to Heathrow a couple of weeks ago, I can see why they are dropping it! Loads of space in PE and C so Y must have been nearly empty too!

Vokes55 14th Jun 2018 21:19

Had a full load in Club and WTP on my LHR-YYC flight two weeks ago. The return from Vancouver a week later had over 100 spare seats on the A380.

Overcapacity perhaps, what with all the competition down at Gatwick.

horatio_b 20th Jun 2018 11:49

More bad publicity for BA:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44546400

GLAEDI 20th Jun 2018 18:59

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...31ebfcfbc9.png
Eastern E170 operating flights to Glasgow. I presume other routes from Gatters. Looking at the price they‘re definitely trying to make sure no one books £207 single!! The later BA operated flight on the A320 is £34.

crewmeal 21st Jun 2018 14:11

I hope someone takes BA to court over this. If you saw something in a shop and wanted to buy it and the keeper changed the price that would be illegal under the trade descriptions act. In my view (if correct) a glitch or mistake is no excuse for cancelling the ticket.

PAXboy 21st Jun 2018 16:30

Yet another IT failure. But will anyone internally pay the price? On past evidence, No.

VickersVicount 21st Jun 2018 16:30

Looks like the BA LGW-OAK DY spoiler is ditched. The S19 bookings now 'suspended' in addition to W18/19
Doubt we'll see that back in BA colours.
Wonder if LGW could get something else?

01475 21st Jun 2018 20:36


Originally Posted by crewmeal (Post 10178357)
I hope someone takes BA to court over this. If you saw something in a shop and wanted to buy it and the keeper changed the price that would be illegal under the trade descriptions act. In my view (if correct) a glitch or mistake is no excuse for cancelling the ticket.

I just can't imagine what they are thinking of. Ok; the other flights are from Luton, but you don't go and say a price is an obvious mistake when other airlines charge roughly that amount!

bycrewlgw 22nd Jun 2018 07:55


Originally Posted by crewmeal (Post 10178357)
I hope someone takes BA to court over this. If you saw something in a shop and wanted to buy it and the keeper changed the price that would be illegal under the trade descriptions act. In my view (if correct) a glitch or mistake is no excuse for cancelling the ticket.

If you take an item to a till and you’re informed that the price is wrong, the shopkeeper can legally refuse to sell the item to you. You don’t have a contract until you’ve paid for the item. You can ask for it to be honoured but no guarantee. If you’ve already paid, the shopkeeper can request to get it back but you can refuse.

With purchasing online, the supplier will state when a contract exists. That is when they’ve either sold you the item or when it’s dispatched. It’ll be in their terms.

If its confirmed that you don’t have a contract until it’s sent then it can be cancelled if you do it can only be cancelled if the supplier recognises that they’ve made a genuine and honest mistake on their part.

With this, it’s a very grey area. BA would need to confirm that it’s genuine and honest which would be difficult to do. As others have said £40 v £400 is an easy mistake to make but will the pricing that they’ve sold the seats for it would be hard to prove.

They would also need to confirm when the contract exists. It should be when you pay.

They should have done the morally right thing, and the best thing for PR, and honoured the tickets. Yet they’d have taken a hit on profit but now they potentially have up to 2000 empty seats.

(Not forgetting the £200,000 in vouchers they’ve handed out too)





Welshtraveller 25th Jun 2018 14:04

I am trying to find out British Airways policy for delayed baggage on a return journey. The guidance from the Civil Aviation Authority says:-“Most airlines will reimburse you for the bare essentials you need to buy when your bag is delayed. If you are away from home this may cover essential toiletries, underwear and laundry costs. If your bag is delayed on your return home, airlines may consider that your losses were less as you had clothes and other essentials available to you. Some airlines have a daily rate which they will pay per day your bag is delayed”.

I would like to know if BA has a daily rate for delayed baggage (as above). If so how much?

I am currently waiting for my bags which will not be received for a minimum of 10 days. Apart from lots of telephone calls I have no plans to claim any "essential items" as I am home.

Thanks for any advice.

wowzz 25th Jun 2018 16:12


Originally Posted by Welshtraveller (Post 10181449)
I am trying to find out British Airways policy for delayed baggage on a return journey. The guidance from the Civil Aviation Authority says:-“Most airlines will reimburse you for the bare essentials you need to buy when your bag is delayed. If you are away from home this may cover essential toiletries, underwear and laundry costs. If your bag is delayed on your return home, airlines may consider that your losses were less as you had clothes and other essentials available to you. Some airlines have a daily rate which they will pay per day your bag is delayed”.

I would like to know if BA has a daily rate for delayed baggage (as above). If so how much?

I am currently waiting for my bags which will not be received for a minimum of 10 days. Apart from lots of telephone calls I have no plans to claim any "essential items" as I am home.

Thanks for any advice.

I think the advice you got on the TA forum, basically telling you that you will get nothing, will be the same as the advice you get here.

Welshtraveller 25th Jun 2018 18:42

That’s fine, I just want my bags but I still think the service provided by BA is awful with very poor customer service.

compton3bravo 27th Jun 2018 19:46

It looks like the cheap ticket debacle is far worse than first thought. Reports are now suggesting up to 10,000 tickets were sold many through agents. Another fine mess!

PAXboy 27th Jun 2018 20:48

Managers need not worry - their jobs are safe ...


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