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Where have read that it states that the car park which will be in front of the new terminal building will be for Stobart HQ office staff, i must have missed that bit in the planning documentation.

Looking at the planning application, most of the building is Stobart HQ offices etc

Hmm. Europe as a whole is low on successful Jetstream routes. Even Jetstream PSO operators sometimes struggle to stay afloat!

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Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 9998063)

Considering the size of the car park and that it also acts as the car park for the Stobart HQ offices, would probably cost more to collect than they'd make.

It's two separate car parks, one for Stobart HQ and one for the terminal.

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I’m actually putting my hat in the ring for Firnas.

New start up that will be looking for incentives to help them start up. They have an emphasis of wanting to serve ‘unserved’ routes, will use the J41 so ideal for Carlisle and so on. They need to put their aircraft somewhere and can’t think of many other unserved UK domestic routes that would be an obvious fit for them?

Small correction, but Firnas have a Jetstream 31. I initially thought it might be Firnas, the Jetstream would be a perfect fit, and with them not having announced any plans yet, it made a bit of sense. But apparently they are determined to operate their own flights from elsewhere.

Stobart Air have been awarded funding to operate the flights, so they need to do so under their own name, but that doesn't stop them from outsourcing the actual flying. The smallest plane in the Stobart fleet is an ATR42, which is a big plane to fill from Carlisle. Outsourcing to a J31/J42 or Saab 340 makes sense. If not Firnas, perhaps Loganair or Eastern.

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I had assumed that the Dublin link would be linked into the Aer Lingus franchise to allow interlining, if so presumably they would have an interest in what was being operated in their name also.

Interlining and transferring are two different things, however nothing has been announced for either. Although Stobart operare flights on behalf of Aer Lingus, this side of the business is entirely driven by Aer Lingus - they choose where to fly and take control of all marketing and ticket sales, and assume all risk for flying the route - Stobart get a fixed fee. I cant see Aer Lingus being interested in taking on the risk of serving Carlisle.

The flights will likely operate under the Stobart name. It's possible a deal may be done to interline with Aer Lingus, they certainly have an established relationship, and in future if the flights perform well Aer Lingus may choose to take on the route.

Work has started on the foundations for the new terminal building:

https://twitter.com/carlisleairport

A very informative post from nighthawk117. I believe he is spot on in his first sentence - last paragraph. Recent PR releases at SEN have given equal prominence to Stobart Air as Flybe. I think next year will see a concerted effort to promote Stobart as an up front airline, not just as an aircraft operator that relies on others' brands and marketing.

It will be very small scale, but in my view that's the direction they are going.

That would make sense... what's the strongest brand in Cumbria...?

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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 (Post 10000355)

Although Stobart operare flights on behalf of Aer Lingus, this side of the business is entirely driven by Aer Lingus - they choose where to fly and take control of all marketing and ticket sales, and assume all risk for flying the route - Stobart get a fixed fee.

Are you sure about that? My understanding was that it's a franchise deal, i.e. Aer Lingus takes control of all marketing and ticket sales, but Stobart ultimately decides where/when to fly (obviously in discussion with Aer Lingus) and takes the commercial risk.

This is how I believe it is. However if it is as nighthawk117 says then all I can say it's nice work for Stobart if they can get it. I can think of a few others who would like to operate that way.

I'm sure that the situation is as Cyrano says and Stobart Air chooses the routes, subject to approval from Aer Lingus no doubt, and takes the full commercial risk.

It's actually a combination of the two. Some routes are driven by Stobart with EI approval for the brand, and sometimes EI ask Stobart to operate on their behalf if they want a presence on a route. It's a two way relationship.

In the latter case do Aer Lingus take the full commercial risk do you know?

It is a franchise. Cyrano is correct, cumbrianboy incorrect.

You would hope that when the flights start in June 2018 that they will have more than 29 passengers each way on the routes, then they wont have to operate on the j41 that has been mentioned, surely they will have enough passengers to be starting with the ATR42 as also mentioned in the article.

If it's a route EI want then it's usually a different model, or at least it has been in the past. The majority of routes are now established and at stobarts risk but over the last couple of years they have done a few that EI asked and EI covered the risk

I see the Frame work for the new terminal building is going up as we speak.......

New AT46s are heading to STK shortly I believe to replace the aging 42s. Not sure how many are set to appear and if one could be freed for CAX.

Having a look through some of the pics on the airports FB site, anyone remember the year that a Balkan Antonov 12 landed? And also a British Midland 737 (I suspect 1992ish for this one?)

Cheers