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BA Cityflyer-2
Random question.
Does anyone know the career progression from BA Cityflyer to mainline BA if a pilot wanted to change onto the mainline. Is it still 2-3 years or has that changed. |
It’s by no means a sure fire thing. I believe you have to serve at least two years at CityFlyer. You then go through the full BA selection except for the day one screening which is the psychometric and written tests.
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The weekly DUB-IBZ has been taken offline line last week. Not sure how it impacts on the rest of the weekend schedule the aircraft used to operate.
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Originally Posted by EMB-145LR
(Post 9941712)
It’s by no means a sure fire thing. I believe you have to serve at least two years at CityFlyer. You then go through the full BA selection except for the day one screening which is the psychometric and written tests.
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That seems like a bit of a nonsense really from an outsiders point of view. I know IAG run BA and cityflyer as different airlines but geeee wiz
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On one hand it does seem a bit of a farce, not 'promoting from within'. But at the same time, Cityflyer operate EMB's which the main BA fleet doesn't have. It would seem that an EZY A320 rated pilot would have more chance, being a type BA uses
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That seems utterly farcical. I was under the impression, the 'promoting from within' is what occurred. It was one element that had me particularly interested In applying as well.
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It’s actually even worse than that. You can’t even apply until you’ve completed 2 years at BACF and even if you get in, BACF will prevent you from moving across if they are short of crew at the time. At BACF you get a lot of the negatives of working for BA and very few of the positives. If your goal is to get into BA mainline then don’t apply to BACF.
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Is this from experience or hearsay, Is there any positives to BACF?
I've heard they can be reluctant to let pilots move across, I don't know how they can prevent you. |
They definitely kept Pilots back for a few months back in 2015.
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BACF will add two additional E90 aircraft to there fleet over the next couple of months.
The first aircraft (G-LCYY) is being leased from Nordic Aviation Capital for a 4 year period and is expected to enter service on 01JAN18. This aircraft was previously operated by Azul (PP-PJL) The second aircraft is expected a couple of months later. This will mean that BACF will operate a fleet of 22 E-Jet aircraft starting S18. |
Are there any additional routes or schedules being added by BACF with the addition of these two E-Jets?
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There are some additions at MAN.
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Originally Posted by canberra97
(Post 9971063)
Are there any additional routes or schedules being added by BACF with the addition of these two E-Jets?
Dublin IBZ - 1 x Weekly Service that operated during S17, will not operate S18 London City DUS - Will increase from 16 to 17 x Weekly FLR - Will increase from 11 to 12 x Weekly AGP - Saturday rotation added for S17 will not operate S18 GVA - Will op 10 x Weekly S18. Was dropped for S17 peak season. PMI - Saturday rotation added for S17 will not operate S18 ORY - Did not op S17. Will op up to 18 x Weekly for S18 PRG - 6 x weekly service introduced for W17 will year round. 6 x weekly frequency continues S18. RTM - Will increase from 17 to 21 x Weekly London Stansted FLR - Saturday service moves from a morning to afternoon departure. Remains 2 x Weekly on a E70 IBZ - Frequency reduced from 4 to 3 x Weekly. BA2334/BA2335 Rotation dropped. NCE - Mid afternoon departure on a Saturday now showing as departing early morning. Remains Weekly on a E70 PMI - Frequency reduced from 2 to 1 x Weekly for S18 I have heard rumours (they are only rumours) that BACF are dropping there FLR-BHX service for next summer and replacing it with a MAN-FLR service. However this only rumour and BHX flights still showing as available to book for S18. Further changes highly likely in coming weeks |
For MAN:
Based aircraft increases to 3, with Mykonos, Palma, Malaga and Alicante going 2weekly. Weekly away based Florence is new. Have full timetable if anyone is interested. |
Good to see some expansion planned at MAN next year. Any idea when they expect to but the additional frequencies?. I wonder if they will also increase the number of routes on offer from MAN.
Do you know if BACF are planning on increasing there ops at BRS or BHX?. I am surprised with a large crew base in EDI that they aren’t adding any other routes from there. |
Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
(Post 9971335)
For MAN:
Based aircraft increases to 3, with Mykonos, Palma, Malaga and Alicante going 2weekly. Weekly away based Florence is new. Have full timetable if anyone is interested. |
STN
With a couple of reductions of frequencies ex STN is there scope for anything new? I would have thought Mykonos (JMK) and/or Santorini (JTR) would fare well seeing as these are untapped markets from STN??
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The full MAN schedule:
AC-1 Thu BA7310 LCY 1940 MAN 2040 BA7315 MAN 2125 IBZ 0115+1 Fri BA7316 IBZ 0155 MAN 0340 BA7317 MAN 0535 AGP 0935 BA7318 AGP 1020 MAN 1225 BA7319 MAN 1310 JMK 1910 BA7320 JMK 1955 MAN 2205 Sat: BA7321 MAN 0550 ALC 0940 BA7322 ALC 1025 MAN 1220 BA7323 MAN 1305 NCE 1625 BA7324 NCE 1710 MAN 1835 BA7315 MAN 1915 IBZ 2320 Sun BA7316 IBZ 0005 MAN 0150 BA7325 MAN 0555 PMI 0940 BA7326 PMI 1025 MAN 1210 BA7315 MAN 1250 IBZ 1640 BA7314 IBZ 1725 MAN 1910 BA7313 MAN 1955 LCY 2025 AC-2 Sat BA7314 IBZ 1045 MAN 1230 BA7326 MAN 1320 PMI 1505* BA7327 PMI 1550 MAN 1735* Sun BA7328 MAN 0535 FAO 0840* BA7329 FAO 0920 MAN 1225* BA7311 MAN 1320 LCY 1420 AC-3 Sat BA7318 AGP 1250 MAN 1455 BA7319 MAN 1545 JMK 2145 BA7320 JMK 2230 MAN 0040 Sun BA7321 MAN 0540 ALC 0930 BA7322 ALC 1025 MAN 1220 BA9329 MAN 1310 PMI 1455 AC-4 Sat BA7332 FLR 1710 MAN 1845** BA7331 MAN 1930 FLR2250** *this May be subject to change as these flights were showing at one point but the next vanished again **Im pretty sure this replaces the BHX-FLR flight as it may just be a coincidence but the timings are very similar, in fact pretty much the same barring the flying time difference, to the BHX one and was under the impression only one aircraft nightstopped at FLR, but of course a second aircraft may be introduced or a W pattern (but the aircraft does get back very late for a W pattern and I can’t see 2xFLR-LCY on Sunday given STN also has a sunday afternoon FLR.) |
Are there any plans to open a crew base in BHX or MAN or are they crewed remotely from the current bases?
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BHX (and BRS) run off away based flights and only 4 at that, so, the crews unlikely to be based.
Given MAN only has a Thu-Sun base, may not pay to have a crew base just yet, unless they are part time with Mon/Tue/Wed as days off, so I’d say they will remain LCY based for the foreseeable. |
Possibility that MAN will just be a 2 aircraft op again next Summer. BACF have started actioning schedule changes for S18. The first two confirmed changes released
BHX-IBZ - Is being dropped completely for S18 MAN-JMK - Day of operation change from Friday to Saturday. Booking system to be updated later today to reflect the changes to MAN-JMK. BHX-IBZ has already been removed from sale. |
That’s odd then as the schedule I posted earlier was quite a recent change too, and seemed to fit well, especially with 2 extra aircraft coming to CJ.
I do wonder if there is a work in progress then? If not, still may be more capacity as the 2nd based used to sit at MAN between arriving on Sat and departing on Sun. With JMK moving to a Saturday it frees up a Friday slot at the very least. I wonder if the BHX flights will not operate at all next summer? Ibiza gone, Florence highly likely to go the same way, Palma now has Primera competition too. |
Loads on the BHX flights last summer were not great. A lot of that is probably down to the flights really late evening departure times. Landing in IBZ 2am is not exactly ideal. Especially if you are going on holiday.
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The late IBZ clearly didn’t affect MAN too much, the Thu flight arrives in IBZ 0115, and another at 2340. The load/yield must justify the Thu flight from City being the only flight that night, otherwise they may as well wait until Friday to fly into the MAN base?
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At the moment all bristols flights are still available. Will this continue to be the case and will there be more opportunities to follow ?
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Highly unlikely that MAN would become a crew base. Even GLA - where they have two nightstops every night during the week and up to seven at weekends for charters - isn't a crew base (only EDI and LCY are) and so there's nothing likely to confer that status at MAN based on a much smaller weekend programme.
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
(Post 9972010)
The late IBZ clearly didn’t affect MAN too much, the Thu flight arrives in IBZ 0115, and another at 2340. The load/yield must justify the Thu flight from City being the only flight that night, otherwise they may as well wait until Friday to fly into the MAN base?
I travelled on the MAN service back in July. I decided to book the Thursday flight out and the Sunday afternoon flight back. Both flights were completely full and the most expensive to book for travel over that weekend. When I boarded the flight home I would say that about 75% of the pax were on the same flight I had flown out on a couple of days prior.. |
Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
(Post 9971861)
That’s odd then as the schedule I posted earlier was quite a recent change too, and seemed to fit well, especially with 2 extra aircraft coming to CJ.
I do wonder if there is a work in progress then? If not, still may be more capacity as the 2nd based used to sit at MAN between arriving on Sat and departing on Sun. With JMK moving to a Saturday it frees up a Friday slot at the very least. I wonder if the BHX flights will not operate at all next summer? Ibiza gone, Florence highly likely to go the same way, Palma now has Primera competition too. Disappointed if BHX > FLR does go...we’re booked on an early summer flight! Just checked the outbound which seems to show 10 Club seats already spoken for. I think the problem last year was the late announcement of routes, long after many had arranged summer travel. |
As we are just at it - what average loads do the LCY-MAN vv. flights on Thursdays / Sundays have?
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
(Post 9972112)
Highly unlikely that MAN would become a crew base. Even GLA - where they have two nightstops every night during the week and up to seven at weekends for charters - isn't a crew base (only EDI and LCY are) and so there's nothing likely to confer that status at MAN based on a much smaller weekend programme.
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As we are just at it - what average loads do the LCY-MAN vv. flights on Thursdays / Sundays have? |
It's mostly LCY crew who nightstop GLA. There are some taxi journeys to/from EDI on the rosters. Dual EDI/GLA basing no longer permissible under the EASA Flight Time Limitations as the distance between the two airports exceeds the legally stipulated maximum for dual basing to be possible.
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Thanks for that. So many people now live between Edinburgh and Glasgow precisely because it gives their family access to employment anywhere along the Edinbrow/Glasburgh megacity that I thought that they might be able to share crew. But no.
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BHX-FLR
Another factor affecting the BHX service was weather/logistics. The aircraft flew LCY-FLR-BRS-FLR-BHX-FLR and early on was quite disrupted with delays and cancellations due weather issues affecting Florence. FR24 shows a better performance in the since September with a couple flights disrupted in October and one September.
A case of deja vu for BHX - FLR as flybe basically gave up on the 175 operating the route due to operational reasons with the 195 was subbed in and eventually the service ended. I sat on the 175 for an hour with 85 other pax whilst they searched for the missing tow-bar which must have been hiding in the hold under the 30 or so bags they removed and a brief shower took the temperature down a couple of degrees before we departed. Fares and loads seemed okay on the BACF Florence with September showing 84% load factor but BHX IBZ and for that matter Palma were awful at times although Malaga seemed fine. |
Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
(Post 9971639)
Sat BA7332 FLR 1710 MAN 1845** BA7331 MAN 1930 FLR2250** *this May be subject to change as these flights were showing at one point but the next vanished again **Im pretty sure this replaces the BHX-FLR flight as it may just be a coincidence but the timings are very similar, in fact pretty much the same barring the flying time difference, to the BHX one and was under the impression only one aircraft nightstopped at FLR, but of course a second aircraft may be introduced or a W pattern (but the aircraft does get back very late for a W pattern and I can’t see 2xFLR-LCY on Sunday given STN also has a sunday afternoon FLR.) BA7025 BHX 06:00 FLR 09:20 BA7024 FLR 10:05 BHX 11:30 |
Aircraft becomes BHX ‘based’ for the new flight times.
Sat BA7032 PMI 0155 BHX 0330 BA7025 BHX 0600 FLR 0920 BA7024 FLR 1005 BHX 1130 BA7029 BHX 1220 PMI 1550 BA7028 PMI 1645 BHX 1820 BA7031 BHX 1905 AGP 2300 BA7032 AGP 2350 BHX 0145+1 Sun BA7029 BHX 0815 PMI 1145 |
pushing for a 6 sector day, lets hope it doesn't go tech...
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How does STN look for summer 18, wish they would add STN-JMK this route is untouched at STN and to many Airlines on the popular sun routers.
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The summer schedule for MAN so far, but is a work in progress.
Thu BA7310 LCY 1940 MAN 2040-from base BA7315 MAN 2135 IBZ 0115+1 Fri BA7316 IBZ 0155 MAN 0340 BA7317 MAN 0540 AGP 0940 BA7318 AGP 1025 MAN 1230 BA7324 MAN 1315 PMI 1700 BA7325 PMI 1755 MAN 1940 BA7313 MAN 2025 IBZ 0015 Sat BA7312 IBZ 0050 MAN 0240 BA7321 MAN 0550 ALC 0940 BA7317 MAN 0600 AGP 1000 BA7322 ALC 1025 MAN 1220 BA7314 IBZ 1045 MAN 1230**** BA7318 AGP 1045 MAN 1250 BA7323 MAN 1315 NCE 1635 BA7319 MAN 1415 JMK 2015 BA7332 FLR 1710 MAN 1845** BA7324 NCE 1720 MAN 1845 BA7331 MAN 1930 FLR 2250** BA7315 MAN 1930 IBZ 2320 BA7320 JMK 2100 MAN 2310*** Sun BA7316 IBZ 0005 MAN 0150 BA7325 MAN 0555 PMI 0940 BA7326 PMI 1025 MAN 1210 BA7315 MAN 1250 IBZ 1640 BA7313 MAN 1445 MAN 1835- then goes elsewhere BA7314 IBZ 1725 MAN 1910 BA7311 MAN 1955 LCY 2055-back to base 3 aircraft appear to be stationed, and 28 weekly flights so far. All are bookable, barring Florence which is yet to be announced. This uses a FLR originating aircraft that previously ran to BHX. Some quirks: -it’s not yet know where the 2nd Aircraft comes from on Friday night to operate the first outbound on Saturday. It then departs 1445 Sunday to IBZ, so, potentially a new route from 0550-1400 on Sunday, Faro perhaps? -Florence as stated is yet to be announced but is loaded internally. -The 3rd aircraft arrives 1220 on sat from IBZ. It used to ground stop until 1320on Sunday by then running back to LCY. That particular LCY flight now no longer operates, so either another flight will be loaded (it’s certainly loaded on the internal MAN systems) or that particular IBZ flight will be taken off sale. As said, MAN is definately a work in progress as something changes each time I view the flights, and we know FLR at least is still to come, but, a decent increase compared to S17 already. |
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