I find it strange how even during a crisis like this, airlines cutting countless jobs, shedding every pound possible to save pennies, BACF of all airlines are getting new aircraft, 190LRs at that.
What’s the plan here? They won’t ship them all over straight to storage at NWI surely? There must be something in works, or am I totally missing something. Any substance to the rumours of them moving the odd Embraer to operate out of LGW or is that all duff gen |
I find it strange how even during a crisis like this, airlines cutting countless jobs, shedding every pound possible to save pennies, BACF of all airlines are getting new aircraft, 190LRs at that. |
The same reason BA are taking delivery of new A32Xneo/350/787-10s, Virgin are taking A350s and TUI have a load of second hand 737-800s painted up ready to go. These aircraft were ordered and contracted months or years ago, just because COVID happened, you can’t just walk away from the deal without hefty penalties. Manufacturers and leasing companies have been accommodating with delivery delays and deferments given the circumstances, but still... its very difficult for an airline to walk away from their commitments at the last minute.
I’m sure every airline globally who had aircraft on order is stuck with some they’d now rather not have, Cityflyer is hardly unique. |
The main problem now with DUS is the loss of Air Berlin as a one world partner. Like using DUB to go west, DUS was ideal for those near LCY or who hate LHR. You could check in in under 30 mins and going through DUS allowed connections to all over the world with minimum fuss. That loss has affected loads I would wager and that traffic now seemed to be passing through FRA pre-covid from what I could see.
That said, the city is lovely and hence the loads are still worthy of the route for point to point, esp now FlyBe are no longer in the picture. |
Originally Posted by Jet Set Willie
(Post 10873395)
The main problem now with DUS is the loss of Air Berlin as a one world partner. Like using DUB to go west, DUS was ideal for those near LCY or who hate LHR. You could check in in under 30 mins and going through DUS allowed connections to all over the world with minimum fuss. That loss has affected loads I would wager and that traffic now seemed to be passing through FRA pre-covid from what I could see.
In passing both Lufthansa and Swiss, when we have been travelling from LCY to Athens, St Petersburg, etc, have seemed to make every effort to get short connection passengers through and away, with special staff, ramp car transfers, etc, whereas BA at Heathrow leave you to your own devices, follow the signs, and general queues etc, and if you miss it - too bad. |
Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 10873464)
I have to say I never saw a OneWorld connection offered through Dusseldorf, either on the BA website or through the independent Web ones. KLM, Lufthansa and (notably) Swiss seem to do them extensively from LCY, but it seems that fares from the UK are marketed by BA rather than OneWorld, who want you to use BA all the way.
In passing both Lufthansa and Swiss, when we have been travelling from LCY to Athens, St Petersburg, etc, have seemed to make every effort to get short connection passengers through and away, with special staff, ramp car transfers, etc, whereas BA at Heathrow leave you to your own devices, follow the signs, and general queues etc, and if you miss it - too bad. |
Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled
(Post 10872978)
Any substance to the rumours of them moving the odd Embraer to operate out of LGW or is that all duff gen
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
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Never say never as it briefly happened a few years ago as cover but there would have to a serious negotiation with BALPA and changes to the Scope agreement for it ever to happen on a permanent basis.
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The scope clause has effectively disappeared as part of the recent vote. BACF can operate aircraft with more than 100 seats and from LHR and LGW if they wish.
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 10874398)
The scope clause has effectively disappeared as part of the recent vote. BACF can operate aircraft with more than 100 seats and from LHR and LGW if they wish.
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Wonder if the ability to run the E190 into LHR in the past might have saved thin routes like LBA? Maybe we will see them run to NQY in the winter if BA wins the PSO?
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Sounds to me like opening the door to Cityflyer operating weekend leisure routes out of LHR & LGW strengthening BA's grip on this market.
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Maybe we will see them run to NQY in the winter if BA wins the PSO? |
Originally Posted by Wycombe
(Post 10879474)
BA have the PSO (under an emergency order) until March 21, this was announced back in July NQY announcement
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Originally Posted by mmeteesside
(Post 10879456)
Sounds to me like opening the door to Cityflyer operating weekend leisure routes out of LHR & LGW strengthening BA's grip on this market.
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Originally Posted by RJ100
(Post 10880215)
I don’t think we’ll ever see BACF operating out of a LHR. LGW possibly but still doubtful.
LGW makes less sense unless the aircraft are densified and that involves carrying one other cabin crew IIRC? |
One cabin crew member per 50 seats, or part thereof installed. 100 seats - 2 cc is ok, 101 seats requires 3. In a previous life, if we were desperately short of cc, we’d reconfig the RJ100 into a high club config (converting rows of 6Y into 5C) to reduce the seat count so we could operate with 2 cc.
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I suppose the BACF E-jets could operate W flights from LHR. LHR-NQY-MAN-NQY-LHR or LHR-NQY-NCL-NQY-LHR. NQY-MAN/NCL post Flybe hasn't been picked up by anyone as yet, & BACF low costs could be of use keeping the e-jets in use & operate a year round daily NQY ex LHR- as I think some days are currently only seasonal.
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Announced today that there are to be no cabin crew redundancies at LCY.
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Originally Posted by GLCYZ
(Post 10880441)
Announced today that there are to be no crew redundancies at LCY.
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Originally BA CityFlyer had hoped to fly a 70% schedule this winter but it's now looking like 10-15%.
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Good news for the cabin crew though, or so it seems. Appears everybody is returning to roster this month from furlough. Some clever bean counter must have realised it’s cheaper to pay everybody basic rather than paying 2/3rds of furlough/JSS wages
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
(Post 10905653)
Good news for the cabin crew though, or so it seems. Appears everybody is returning to roster this month from furlough. Some clever bean counter must have realised it’s cheaper to pay everybody basic rather than paying 2/3rds of furlough/JSS wages
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I think a main issue for both BA and BACF is the pain may not be over yet. Both outfits will struggle to pay bills on such a reduced programme. What is the permitted load factor and how many seats are being filled?
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