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Originally Posted by Antonio Montana
(Post 10598922)
Which is great news for those affected by the demise of TCX, but this alone means nothing, people can always change types.
Until there is an official announcement, it remains a rumour. Jet2 have got where they are by being very careful, this seems a bit too risky to me. I cannot imagine Philip Meeson doing this. I would say the PM wants his business to grow and knows the difficulties the aviation industry is currently having; MAX grounded, 737-800 mid life market dried up and now an opportunity to expand into the old TC playgrounds of MAN and BHX with GLA/NCL/EMA thrown in for good measure. It will be too tempting. With this in mind; no TC around anymore i'm sure they've thought long and hard and believe it is a good enough opportunity not to miss. The B757's are ageing, the spares market is limited, and this is the perfect opportunity, i would say, for the airline to see if the A321 (220) fits within their fleet. They've had experience of running 2 separate fleets side by side (one large one small) so whilst adding a 3rd in the mix in the short term seems madness if it pays off as a replacement of the 757 it is a success. Having recently just seen their share price - i trust that whatever is going on in the group and at board level is approved by many. Their current share price is £12.36 versus TUI share price of £10.49. |
Share price is irrelevant.
TUI - 589 million shares in circulation. Dart Group - 149 million shares in circulation. TUI still remains worth some £4bn+ more than Dart. Share price alone is an indicator of nothing. |
It has been announced internally to operational teams that 4 ex TCX A321’s have been outright purchased. The recent roadshows have indeed meant that recruitment of ex TCX Airbus flight deck and engineers had happened. This is has not been communicated in an official communication however this happening. The 4 A321’s will be based at MAN. Originally it was looked into to keeping the 3 757’s due for retirement however some of the frames need heavy mx so will still be disposed of. Last I heard GLSAH will remain in in the fleet after some work over winter, AG and AI are still going. The A321’s and remaining 757 will allow a generous capacity increase at MAN, and will also allow a couple of 737’s to be redistributed to BHX and STN. Titan will acquire another A321 to be based at STN. Next summer there will be A321’s and STN, BHX and MAN. It’s apparent that the last few years of measuring the A321’s economics at BHX & STN has paid off. By the end of 2020, GLA, EDI, NCL, BFS, EMA and LBA will all be 737-800 exclusive bases. STN & BHX will be 737-800/A321 bases and MAN 737-800, A321, A330 and 757 whilst they are slowly parted out over the coming years. The 757 lovers need to accept they are all old and the A321 can do everything the 757 does for Jet2, with much better economics and dispatch reliability. Any long haul charters and NY flights will operate on the A330. The important word there is long haul charters, not scheduled services. Jet2 is very cautious and those hoping for Florida and Caribbean shouldn’t waste any time thinking about it. Jet2 is no going to put on sale anywhere near the capacity lost by TCX. It will add a handful of extra aircraft at each of its core markets STN, BHX and MAN and carry on growing other bases by tweaking schedules and making use of the Spanish bases Aircraft to allow extra rotations by UK bases to fit in. |
"The B757's are ageing, the spares market is limited"
Ageing, yes. But what are you basing the lack of spares on? If there was a shortage then no one would still be flying them. |
Originally Posted by Antonio Montana
(Post 10598890)
If they are advertising for Flight Crew, they are doing it very very very quietly.......
Originally Posted by irishlad06
(Post 10598893)
many ex TCX flight deck have already had telephone interviews including TRE’s.
Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10598907)
Weren't they aiming for a single fleet type ultimately of just 738?
Now we have a 738, 757, A321, A330... Complexities of subfleet crewing, ageing types, maintenance etc. Didn't Airtours struggle with that? |
Originally Posted by redED
(Post 10599227)
There’s no need for them to advertise, recruitment has never been closed for type rated folk with plenty of applicants. There is NO and i mean ZERO mention of Airbus Hope this helps AM |
Originally Posted by Antonio Montana
(Post 10599272)
To clarify redED, Jet2 are advertising, massivly, for 737 Non and Type Rated, F/O's and Capts.
There is NO and i mean ZERO mention of Airbus Hope this helps AM |
Originally Posted by Yeehaw22
(Post 10599128)
"The B757's are ageing, the spares market is limited"
Ageing, yes. But what are you basing the lack of spares on? If there was a shortage then no one would still be flying them. |
Originally Posted by Antonio Montana
(Post 10599272)
To clarify redED, Jet2 are advertising, massivly, for 737 Non and Type Rated, F/O's and Capts.
There is NO and i mean ZERO mention of Airbus Hope this helps AM |
Originally Posted by flybar
(Post 10599344)
The three ex China Southern air frames mentioned are a different spec to the rest hence their potentially early demise
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When did Jet2 STOP flying domestic flights from Manchester
Years ago I remember flying with them on a 737-300 from Manchester to Edinburgh and from Gatwick to Manchester? |
I reckon it’ll be more than 4x 321 and maybe more 330’s starting Summer 2020
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ib26uk it was several years ago cannot remember exactly when but probably 5 or 6 years
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Originally Posted by ib26uk
(Post 10599457)
When did Jet2 STOP flying domestic flights from Manchester
Years ago I remember flying with them on a 737-300 from Manchester to Edinburgh and from Gatwick to Manchester? The jet2 model wouldn't work now. The morning and Afternoon wave of flights are timed perfect to maximise the utilisation now, unlike before, where they would have had spare gaps available year round I would also guess it's the same reason they dropped the work for Royal Mail, as they needed their planes on the more profitable holidays routes |
Originally Posted by Kestrel
(Post 10599573)
I reckon it’ll be more than 4x 321 and maybe more 330’s starting Summer 2020
4xA321s only wouldn't make sense to put on the AoC and develop a mtc. However, if the plan were more in the longer-term these would make sense. |
Originally Posted by pholling
(Post 10599648)
4xA321s only wouldn't make sense to put on the AoC and develop a mtc. However, if the plan were more in the longer-term these would make sense.
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Originally Posted by pholling
(Post 10599648)
4xA321s only wouldn't make sense to put on the AoC and develop a mtc. However, if the plan were more in the longer-term these would make sense.
Trade Agreements take many years to negotiate, some can take 20 years or more. The recent trade agreement between the EU and Canada took about 9 years from the start of negotiations and finally signing between the parties concerned. Hence the possibility that the UK will eventually leave the EU without a Trade Deal of any kind is possible. It makes sense therefore that JET2 are only purchasing 4 x A321s to replace some of their B757s and in the event that business in the UK in general goes belly up due to BREXIT, they have another 20 aircraft that are leased or old enough to retire to be able to downsize to cope with a possible future considerable reduction in travellers. |
The A321 is no different to the 757, in terms of having two types within the fleet. Although the 737 and 757 are Boeing, they have very little, in common. If Jet2 feel the need for something bigger than the 738, they need the A321 or 737-900ER/9MAX. They have had the A321 wet-leased for quite a few years now and the 757s aren't getting any younger. With type-rated crews and maintenance seeking new opportunities at MAN, there seems no better time to acquire the expertise and integrate it into the company. Much like when Channel Express bought those Ansett 737s all those years ago.
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They’ve already got cabin crew trained on Airbus that work on the Smartlynx and Titan aircraft |
Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled
(Post 10599757)
They’ve already got cabin crew trained on Airbus that work on the Smartlynx and Titan aircraft |
Post 1739 - Brian Droney
What a pleasure to read a sensible reasoned and sympathetic post highlighting the advantages of Jet 2 purchasing 4 x A321 ex Thomas Cook. A total contrast from all the negative winging and moaning on PPrune and in Westmister.
It shows that there are still companies around who look further than the next quarter's financial results and also have a sense of social responsibility. As Brian says, it seems to me like a "Win-Win Situation" for all concerned, well done Jet 2 ! |
Originally Posted by brian_dromey
(Post 10599778)
brining that experience to Jet2 could be a win for both parties.
Originally Posted by SilverCityKid
(Post 10599920)
What a pleasure to read a sensible reasoned and sympathetic post [/SPOILER]highlighting the advantages of Jet 2 purchasing 4 x A321 ex Thomas Cook. A total contrast from all the negative winging and moaning on PPrune and in Westmister.
It shows that there are still companies around who look further than the next quarter's financial results and also have a sense of social responsibility. As Brian says, it seems to me like a "Win-Win Situation" for all concerned, well done Jet 2 ! Also to add my two cents to this argument - Air Tanker used TC engineers for the A330's. Get some Airbus rated pilots into the Jet2 fold and Jet2 will be able to provide the service to Air Tanker at no doubt discounted rates or within he contract. And with them expanding the A330 to 3 - i have even heard a rumour of 4 (1x A330 388 seater) this will be useful indeed. |
But all of this assumes that they really have purchased Airbus.
Of which there has been no credible evidence, other than posts from people on here, No Official Announcement although there was speculation that there would have been over a week ago. The only real evidence is the seat maps for some of next years flights. Sadly this all seems like another series of wet leases from Smart Lynx and Titan to me, Hope I am wrong, I too have been through the pain of redundancy in this industry 3 times, but i doubt it. |
Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
(Post 10598371)
I would agree that there are hardly massive holes to fill with the demise of TCX. If anything, they may want to consolidate and lift yields at those locations. Unless slots are so scarce to warrant a land grab but I doubt it. As for BOH, Jet2 have no presence at LGW so this could potentially pull demand away from the likes of easyJet and Norwegian. Could be quite strategic to do this especially if they did a split operation between BOH and SOU? 2 aircraft each. from facebook |
Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
(Post 10598371)
I would agree that there are hardly massive holes to fill with the demise of TCX. If anything, they may want to consolidate and lift yields at those locations. Unless slots are so scarce to warrant a land grab but I doubt it. As for BOH, Jet2 have no presence at LGW so this could potentially pull demand away from the likes of easyJet and Norwegian. Could be quite strategic to do this especially if they did a split operation between BOH and SOU? 2 aircraft each. BRS has seen around 3 or 4 TCK a/c lost but EZY TUI and FR all have very strong presence there CWL was summer only TCK afaik? EXT nothing for years (only TUI now for package holidays, plus FR muscling in) |
Originally Posted by Bournemouthair
(Post 10600371)
from facebook |
Announced this afternoon that 7 A321 aircraft are being brought onto the Jet2 AOC for summer 2020. 4 at MAN, 3 at BHX.
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Jet2 just put on sale winter 2020 New York flights using Airbus A330's from BHX, NCL, MAN & EMA & Boeing 757-200 from LBA
https://www.jet2.com/News/Enjoy_more..._in_Winter_20/
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A321’s for next summer
Ground crew for Jet2 have just received an internal communication which mentions 7x A321’s for next year based at BHX and MAN. I’m sure there will be a statement soon from the company
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Looks like Jet2 are looking for more Airbus according to the Word on the Ground issued today.
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Originally Posted by GCELY
(Post 10600807)
Ground crew for Jet2 have just received an internal communication which mentions 7x A321’s for next year based at BHX and MAN. I’m sure there will be a statement soon from the company
To support growth and to give us additional capacity for Summer 2020, we are planning to introduce seven Airbus A321’s under our own Jet2.com Air Operator Certificate (AOC), in time it is likely more may follow. Four of these aircraft will be based in Manchester (MAN) and three will be based in Birmingham (BHX). This is clearly a very exciting time and a return to Airbus operations for the Company having operated Airbus A300 freighters in the 1990’s. The Airbus A321’s will be in the 220 seat configuration and along with our well established Boeing fleet, will help to continue to provide our customers with a fantastic experience going to and coming back from their well deserved holidays. Once in service, planned for April 2020, they will be flying to all our current destinations and there will be additional aircraft in the Bases highlighted supporting, the current fleet |
Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled
(Post 10600917)
Theres already been an internal comm to all depts about the introduction of Airbus it came out today. |
Any word on whether they will be owned or leased? |
Originally Posted by azz767
(Post 10600963)
Any word on whether they will be owned or leased? “To support growth and to give us additional capacity for Summer 2020, we are planning to introduce seven Airbus A321’s under our own Jet2.com Air Operator Certificate (AOC), in time it is likely more may follow.” |
There currently 6 A321’s ex TCX at Lasham
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Hope some of the ex TCX employees can join Jet2 with this news. |
HM Govt has lifted the air travel ban into and out of SSH for UK flights -
SSH was a huge market in its hey day especially in the winter, but the Egypt downturn was pivotal in Monarch's demise. Jet2 have wisely stayed well clear of Egypt and Tunisia up to now - I wonder what they are thinking? |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10601218)
HM Govt has lifted the air travel ban into and out of SSH for UK flights -
SSH was a huge market in its hey day especially in the winter, but the Egypt downturn was pivotal in Monarch's demise. Jet2 have wisely stayed well clear of Egypt and Tunisia up to now - I wonder what they are thinking? Be lucky David |
Originally Posted by GCELY
(Post 10600966)
Owned “To support growth and to give us additional capacity for Summer 2020, we are planning to introduce seven Airbus A321’s under our own Jet2.com Air Operator Certificate (AOC), in time it is likely more may follow.” |
Originally Posted by Flying Wild
(Post 10601299)
Your statement is not backed up by the quote. The airline can lease aircraft and have them on the Jet2 AOC.
It will be interesting to see if they're cheaper older frames (less sharklets) or whether they are newer more expensive frames (with sharklets). With Jet 2's history of 2nd hand frames you would say the former, however if they are intended as genuine 757 replacements the sharkleted ones would make more sense. |
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